Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Grimgroove]

Grim's waffling towards the end of yesterday was terribad.

How so?

[enomis]

So enomis, would you agree to challenge Green?

I'd agree to challenge enomis or grim if people are opposed to a 1 v 1. I'd prefer Red-Silver, Orange-Red or Orange-Silver (in that order), but enomis and grim are my two top scum reads so I'd much prefer to lynch one of them first rather than try and pick between Venmar and AP.

You are wrong.

Pardon my repeating questions but why am i scum?

Could you kindly state it out explicitly for me?

[AngryPidgeon]

At this point im willing to sheep AP's reads.

Funny thing, me too : P

I'll be around today (After work if nothing else).

Majiffy, I love how you are so willing to appear eager to challenge Green and then it turns out that was all just for show.

[AngryPidgeon]

Pardon my repeating questions but why am i scum?

This attitude is scummy as balls for one. And I presented several reasons, not that I expect you to find them 'accurate'

[Wisdom]

At this point im willing to sheep AP's reads.

You never gave your reads yesterday, and here you're basically saying that you won't do it today either?

Also I'm interested in your QT, you're the only pair who didn't share what has been said there with us.

[AngryPidgeon]

@wisdom: what happened that make you think I am scum when you were so sure I was town?
Your change seems abit awkward.

I thought your QT talk was genuine; but since Amrun was town, the QT talk being genuine does not mean you're town anymore.
In any case I suspect Elyse much more than you.

What about the QT chat is affected by the Amrun flip?

Only person i like in GvO is Venmar, with a slight townread on AP.

But even if Venmar is scum, he snot getting lynched over anyone on Green anyways. (And I really doubt he is anyways)

Angry Pidgeon seemed intent on challenging me, and given Orange does not contain any strong scumreads of mine on this given moment,

When did you stop scumreading me?

I want more from both of the Orange players.

Hello. Sorry if Im not up to my usual standards, but I'm still working my ass off with this and my other games, thanks.

@Wisdom: ya sec. Where did you talk about yours?

[Venmar]

Our Qt has 43 messages. I'm too lazy to post them, it's mostly us bantering on who we think is scum since we've both come to agree that we're both town. AP has been pretty convincing and though out as of late though, hence why I am inclined to sheep him since my Amrun scumread failed and no one wants to listen to me about Wisdom.

[AngryPidgeon]

I joked a bit told him if he could guarantee hes not a guard that would be greaaat.
Asked how QT had 6 views.
More joking about needing the treasure to give my sister a nose job.
Venmar implies our lack of activity in the QT is mutually scummy.
Says 'my ap case has holes' and clarifies to mean Amrun I think.
More 'omg ya we're lurking game is so long' talk.

Asks me my alignment after I was 'hammered'
I was afk. Eventually asks me about new lynch pool, wants to lynch Amrun or SD.
I wall post a bit that ends up concluding the following: Grim + {SD/Elyse/Amrun} + Enomis.

Venmar also analyzes the lynch pool. Thinks elyse is town. Thinks Amrun is scum and SD/Elyse are opposite alignments.
He brings up mollie because hes afraid she might be off his radar - I say I think shes town.
I assert that I really only want to lynch Enomis.
I Asked mod if QTs are getting released (yes).
I tell Venmar I'm considering hammering amrun.
Both of us have expressed uncertainty about Majiffy at various points in the QT.

My last big post was about enomis/elyse/gg team making sense.
Venmars last post is 'no way were not lynching amrun' and saying there has to be at least one scum in Green.

[Venmar]

Lol I just read AngryPidgeons location. I lol'd and my dog looked at me funny

[Wisdom]

What about the QT chat is affected by the Amrun flip?

enomis' QT talk seemed genuine, it didn't look like a QT discussion that was faked by scum. That didn't mean that enomis is necessarily town, but it meant that not both of them are scum. I thought that the most likely is enomis-town and Amrun-scum. Amrun flipped town however, so we know that the QT talk was genuine anyway (since at least one town was participating in it), therefore enomis could be scum despite his QT talk being genuine. In other words, the QT talk that gave him townpoints does not do so any longer.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom: ya sec. Where did you talk about yours?

When NS flipped I posted all of it

[Wisdom]

Our Qt has 43 messages. I'm too lazy to post them, it's mostly us bantering on who we think is scum since we've both come to agree that we're both town. AP has been pretty convincing and though out as of late though, hence why I am inclined to sheep him since my Amrun scumread failed and no one wants to listen to me about Wisdom.

Can you just tell us what is your personal read on everyone that is alive?

[Wisdom]

Asks me my alignment after I was 'hammered'
I was afk

?
You were here when he fake-hammered

[AngryPidgeon]

^ I was phoneposting in thread, but didn't think to check QT at all. So there is just a gap there around that time.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy:
I like how you seem to be using the plan now whenever it suits you.

You think putting them in the lynch pool is of any use when nobody focus on them?

Who said anything about any plan? I'm still playing this my way.

I think GvO would result in some interesting things.

Majiffy, I love how you are so willing to appear eager to challenge Green and then it turns out that was all just for show.

The fuck you on about?

Only person i like in GvO is Venmar, with a slight townread on AP.

But even if Venmar is scum, he snot getting lynched over anyone on Green anyways. (And I really doubt he is anyways)

I'm trying to extract a point out of this but I just keep coming back to shrugging my shoulders and going "ok?"

I want more from both of the Orange players.

Hello. Sorry if Im not up to my usual standards, but I'm still working my ass off with this and my other games, thanks.

Woah there snarky pants, I just said I want more from you, not a 16-year-old-girl attitude.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm trying to extract a point out of this but I just keep coming back to shrugging my shoulders and going "ok?"

Well? If you think I'm town and the probabilities of Venmar getting lynched are not really there, why put us in a lynch pool?

Why would GvO be interesting? Im having a hard time imagining why you would think that.

I asked yesterday if you would challenge Green and you were like 'oh ya of course I would' and now you are dodging around about it. Nothing scummy about not issuing a challenge but your response feel like appeasing in hindsight.

I've got attitude to spare today : )

[qwints]

Enomis, you completely refused to take a stand on the amrun lynch yesterday and basically let it happen. Trying to avoid the scrutiny that either hammering or pushing a case on me or Elyse would have brought you fits in with the rest of your previous lurker-scum play. Your play today is a pretty dramatic flipping of the switch presumably because you were bound to draw more attention today after amrun flipped town.

Grim, your unvoting and re-voting of amrun didn't make sense. If you were really unsure, you could have just unvoted and waited. There wasn't a deadline or another lynch that would have gone through. It looked like you were trying to distance yourself from the amrun lynch before it happened. Because you knew amrun flipped town, and today you could harvest town cred by pointing to the waffling. But the indecision doesn't seem genuine because you didn't wait for anything to happen before revoting.

[Majiffy]

I'm trying to extract a point out of this but I just keep coming back to shrugging my shoulders and going "ok?"

Well? If you think I'm town and the probabilities of Venmar getting lynched are not really there, why put us in a lynch pool?

I'm not trying to get Venmar lynched whatsoever. I think you're reading wrong.

Why would GvO be interesting? Im having a hard time imagining why you would think that.

A lady doesn't tell all her secrets.

I asked yesterday if you would challenge Green and you were like 'oh ya of course I would' and now you are dodging around about it. Nothing scummy about not issuing a challenge but your response feel like appeasing in hindsight.

I don't recall saying anything about me personally challenging Green today. Quote for proof.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I am catching up with my hydras

will post later laying out my thoughts. I need to do a reread of the start of the day

[pirate mollie]

I am catching up with my hydras

will post later laying out my thoughts. I need to do a reread of the start of the day

this was me

[qwints]

Spoiler: Background Info

StrangerCoug

(7) - enomis, Venmar, Majiffy, pirate mollie, Grimgroove,

Nobody Special

,

Amrun

,
Grimgroove (3) - AngryPidgeon, Wisdom, Elyse
Majiffy (2) -

SafetyDance

qwints,

StrangerCoug

pirate mollie (0) -

StrangerCoug of the Silver Snakes

,

brave explorer

, has been lynched!

Nobody Special (6) - Majiffy,qwints

SafetyDance

, Wisdom, Elyse, Grimgroove, AngryPidgeon
Wisdom (1) - Venmar
AngryPidgeon (0) -
Venmar (0) -

Not Voting (5) - enomis, pirate mollie,

Nobody Special

,

Amrun

Nobody Special of the Purple Parrots

,

Temple Guard

, has been lynched!

Amrun(6) - Venmar, pirate mollie, Majiffy, Wisdom, Grimgroove, AngryPidgeon
enomis(2) - qwintz, Elyse
qwints (1) -

Amrun

Elyse (0) -

Not Voting (1) - enomis,

Amrun of the Red Jaguars

,

brave explorer

, has been lynched!

Day 1: Majiffy challenged Silver (Blue and Silver)
Day 2: Venmar Challenged Purple (Orange and Purple)
Day 3: Amrun challenged Green (Red and Green)

So all the teams have been challenged once. Mollie was voted on day 1. Venmar was basically never voted day 2. Elyse was basically never voted day 3.

A priori odds of scum distribution:

2 teams with 2 scum: 315/10,395 (3%) [Number of ways to pair up two 2 scum teams * number of ways to pair up four 2 town teams]
1 teams with 1 scum; 2 team with 1 scum: 5,355/10,395 (51%) [Number of ways to pair up one 2 scum team * number of ways to pair up the remaining 10 players - above]
3 teams with 1 scum: 4,725/10,395 (46%) [Number of ways to pair up 12 players - 2 above cases]

Not a lot of help. It's pretty intuitive that the odds of two double scum teams was quite low. It's worth noting that it's slightly more likely that there's one team with 2 scum than no teams with 2 scum, but that's not much of an edge.

[Majiffy]

Woohoo I was on every major wagon so far!

Do I get a cookie?

[Wisdom]

Yes, but you share it with Grimgroove

[Majiffy]

Goddamnit

[AngryPidgeon]

Who dropped that comment about 1v1s being bad 'at this point in the game'. That person is probably scum.