Newbie 1393 Game Over

[notscience]

Whoever hammers smudger needs to post this picture for me



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You've just acknowledged I'm town and you hammered me

GG SCUM SAY YOUR PRAYERS

[Smudger]

please grow up...

[notscience]

lolnah

[notscience]

I'm having fun showing town how scum you are

[Smudger]

if and when I am lynched I Flip town you will of course apologize and admit to being wrong?

[notscience]

Nope

[notscience]

I'm positive you'll flip scum

[FuDuzn]

Seriously smudger? That is about the most anti town thing you can do, if you aren't scum then I don't know what to think.

And judging by notscience's reaction I am guessing he is town.........

[notscience]

Ya dont say

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

notscience (4-LYNCH)

- FuDuzn, Z7-852, HopefullyCynical, Smudger

Z7-852 (1)

- notscience

FuDuzn (1)

- Dessew

Day 2 will end at 1pm BST on Sunday 21st July 2013. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

notscience - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 2

Night 2 now begins. It will end in 48 hours, at 7am BST on Saturday 13th July 2013

[Nexus]

Debonair Danny DiPietro - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 2

Day 3 Begins. With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 will end at 1pm BST on 28th July 2013

[Dessew]

Hey, guys, I'm back.
First: (Smudger,) DON'T VOTE! If you're town and you vote town, scum could hammer. It's LyLo, we have to be careful.

Smudger:

Your vote was horrible. 1. We still had a lot of time, there was no need to hurry. 2. There were 7 players alive, maybe I'm not the most relevant person in this game but we're so few on our own, I think everybody's opinion counts, and I had only one post on D2 and that regarded FuDuzn and DDDP. 3. notscience wasn't that scummy.
Your case against HC isn't valid in my opinion, there're misquotations and misreps in it. You also misrepped notscience a few times. I get the feeling that you don't read other's posts and don't write yours thoroughly enough. Don't be so hasty, it seems like you want to be difficult to follow, so you answer the post in four instead of one, nad you also do that "fixed" nonsense. Your hammering notscience is too obvious to be scumtell, but your trying to be mysterious and hard to read (not only your alignment is hard to read but your posts, too) is. Also, this hammer could be a cunning plan, we have a lot of time to figure it out.

FuDuzn:

Yes, it is still the same, since you haven't answered my question, yet. It is scummy, how you're avoiding, though. Anyway, is this question so irrelevant, that it isn't even worth posting about it? None of you said anything about it.

HC:

I'm sure you're town, my argument is basically the same, and your posts on D2 are also convincing me. If you were scum, you would deserve victory for this acting, but you are not, you're my most solid townread. Smudger tried to make a case against you, he failed, I can't say any more about it.

Z7:

Explain me this: there's a player who want to hammer the person you're voting before half of the day pasted, and you don't unvote? FuDuzn wasn't posting at that time and HC is a newbie, but you didn't unvote? I mean, you got a lot of stuff, there was an OMGUS-vote and Smudger said, he was intending to hammer. It really was a lot of stuff. I thought you were more careful, maybe the most careful among us, and yet you do this. It's out of the picture and scummy.

I can't figure out from any of the NKs, Smudger sort of fits, but the kills could have been PR-hunting (then scum sucks in this game, yet we haven't lynched any of them). About the other flips, there's nothing to say about mvm, FI didn't attack anybody except notscience and Smudger so if Smudger isn't scum, it was probably just PR-hunting (does this word exist?). Lynching notscience was a mistake, it could have been prevented...

Right now, FuDuzn and Z7 are leaning scum, HC is a strong townread, Smudger is a question mark.

[Dessew]

I have just reread my previous post (man, I've got a lot of time), I meant that killing DDDP was probably PR-hunting, if it wasn't, Smudger fits, although it's not much more than nothing imho.

[Z7-852]

So we have 2 scums and 3 towns left what puts us in LyLo. We have to get this right and not rush in our votes. I have been super occupied last week and will be again this week but I will post at least once per day despite this. I have to say I dropped the ball (#336) during last day.

Whole notscience lynch was a huge mistake but it felt like he really wasn't even defending himself. I'am currently looking interactions between player and try to find some patterns there but there isn't really much there. Notscience wasn't fan of Smudger what could explain the sudden hammer but it just feels to clear anti-town move to be a scumslip.

Scumometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical < Dessew < FuDuzn < Smudger

[Smudger]

Dessew 336

Yes my lynch of NS was crap, but he was posting rubbish and being completed evasive, and I had had enough of his interaction to be honest. Hindsight is a good thing and yes it was hasty.

with regard to your other observations if you would care to elaborate. I find aspects of HCs play questionable and so this is what I have pointed out, as for misreps etc again please point them out and then maybe I can explain.

As for your other comments here:

I have just reread my previous post (man, I've got a lot of time), I meant that killing DDDP was probably PR-hunting, if it wasn't, Smudger fits, although it's not much more than nothing imho.

I was wondering who would mention this first and thank you for confirming something that was in my mind as I read your post #336.

The NK of DDDP fits what you are suggesting at the end of your post #337. first you fish for a PR, noteworthy, then you suggest that I could be the person who offed DDDP. Well sure, it fits that after my quick lynch and then DDPs comment that attention would turn to me once DDDP was NK'd. therefore would it not be highly probably the scum worked this one out and decide on this as a strategy going into today?

and I would like to comment on your post #336, as you mention there also that I am possibly responsible for the NK. why are you trying to fit me up? You have made statements about my play and have not backed that up in any way shape or form, you hint that I am playing hard to read, which is complete crap. Then you criticize me for the way I post, what has that anything to do with being scum. Dessew my attention is turning away from HC and looking at you now, as your last posts smell,

[FuDuzn]

Dessew, thought I made myself clear. People were going after mvm simply because of lurking, but I had seen nothing scummy from him and I don't see lurking as a scum tell in and of itself. I tend to find a lynch all lurkers mentality is often pushed by scum on Day 1, hence why I was and still am suspicios of Z7.

Smudger, between not really explaining why you quick hammered notscience(calling him annoying is no excuse) and your extremely defensive omgus-isng to Dessew understandably questioning you I think I would be confident on a vote on either you or Z7, given all that has happened I am growing confident you are scum and I am not going to go back on my first instint in regards to Z7.

[Smudger]

I have explained myself, what more can I say, he was annoying to the nth degree, he refused to give any reason why he should not be lynched and I gave fair warning, I do not retreat unless I am given fair response, it is as simple as that, If you want to threaten me then go ahead, to assume I am scum because I hammered someone is completely wrong.

with regard to your rather weak observation concerning OMGUSing Dessew, I mean what I say, it is what I am seeing and reading, should I sit quietly by while I get set up? no I will not.

finally coming from you, a person who's alignment has come into question from others this is very rich, and I would say an opportune way of shifting the spotlight.

Let us take a hypothetical line of thought, If I had not hammered who do you think would have been lynched in all probability, based on what was going on prior to the lead up tot the Hammer?

[HopefullyCynical]

Man, that really bites. The notscience lynch was definitely a mistake.

A couple questions, all concerning acronyms of course. I am sorry I am unfamiliar with so many of these What is LyLo and PR?

"Let us take a hypothetical line of thought, If I had not hammered who do you think would have been lynched in all probability, based on what was going on prior to the lead up tot the Hammer?" -Smudger

While I understand what you are trying to say, this is not a good defense at all. We have no idea what would have happened.

[FuDuzn]

Lylo = Lynch or lose, if we don't lynch scum today then it is game over and scum wins.

PR = Power role, any roles that isn't a vanilla townie(cop, doc, jailkeeper, etc).

Smudger, you seem surprised that people are questioning what you did as possibly being scummy. The fact is that there is no town focused reason to do what you did, even you were a cop with a guilty on notscience it is still anti town to quick hammer like that.......and obviously we know that wasn't the case.

And what spotlight am I shifting away?

Hello pot, I would like to introduce you to a kettle.

[Smudger]

Smudger, you seem surprised that people are questioning what you did as possibly being scummy. The fact is that there is no town focused reason to do what you did, even you were a cop with a guilty on notscience it is still anti town to quick hammer like that.......and obviously we know that wasn't the case.

And what spotlight am I shifting away?

Hello pot, I would like to introduce you to a kettle.

I am not surprised that I am being questioned I expected itand I think you will find I have already stated that the lynch was wrong,

Yes my lynch of NS was crap,

but it is not a reason to lynch someone just because they hammer a mislynch is it? I did not build the wagon I did not put him at L-1, you all did, so it takes more than one person to lynch someone. As I said I gave fair warning, if anyone had doubts then they should have removed their votes, in fact that would probably be a good place to start, which is what I was intimating at with my hypothetical question. look at the activity prior to the lynch and the order of the votes also who was posting at the time of the lynch, who could have removed their vote if they had wanted to if the had doubts and are truely town, because one thing is for sure, scum would not have removed their votes.

with regards to spotlights, you ave had a constant stream of votes on you all game, DDP, mvm and Dessew, 2 of those are no loneg with us. this is what I mean with regard to shifting spotlights

[Dessew]

FuDuzn: Meh, you said that he was town, while all his posts were null or scummy before you gave your reads (before #150).

Smudger: I think it's possible that scum goes super-obvious so as to avoid lynch. Just think about it, it makes sense. About the misreps: the most obvious is your comment on HC'c Princess Bride reference, but you could look at basically any post on D2 when notscience said you were misrepping him (or twisting his words or taking something out of context, they technically mean the same thing.)
Oh, and how did I fish PR?

[Smudger]

Dessew you mentioned PR hunting 3 times across 2 posts, why do you find it necessary to repeat yourself?

[Smudger]

About the misreps: the most obvious is your comment on HC'c Princess Bride reference,

I don't recall making any direct comment on that?

[Smudger]

even you were a cop with a guilty on notscience it is still anti town to quick hammer like that

I just noticed this, now this is very interesting and I missed it at first, why cop?

[Dessew]

Yes you did.

which is all well and good but your ISO would not tend to support your apparent inexperience, as when reading through it seems you are more experienced than you may be leading us to believe

We almost fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go for a no lynch on the first day! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dessew you mentioned PR hunting 3 times across 2 posts, why do you find it necessary to repeat yourself?

I was posting about the NKs and the flips over all. I think perhaps the NKs has nothing to do with the cases but scum tried to target PRs. The beginning of that paragraph didn't make sense (because I fucked up) so I made a new post. However I haven't stated anything about the PRs whatsoever.