Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[jmo16mla]

Not related to catching scum^

[TheIrishPope]

Then fucking replace out; it's better for Town to have a committed person to play

[N64Lord]

My thoughts.(Besides the fact that NS was

really

[b/]

leading the replacements on with the whole "an interesting and worthwhile read"

Hyperion looked like a VT who wanted to sheep, but didn't know what to go with before jmo's wagon was in full swing, then awkwardly joined it, only to find out he was going to have to do a lot of the pushing, after the activity falloff d2, he does the same thing for greywing's wagon, but he does not bother to clear jmo and uses other people's reasons for switching.

Malakitten feels like a fencesitter to me, since most of his posts were to diffuse arguments, thankfully more to prevent people from over-reaching than fluff questions. Don't like how he never takes a big stand on scummy players, but I mostly agree with how he points out the weaknesses of each wagon, even though I feel he was capable of hunting more himself....

JMO's posts are just painful to read. He admits how awful he played early-mid d1, but I didn't like how all he started d2 off with was a lurker vote, followed by his support of the greywing wagon, which I never felt was sincere. I agree with malakitte/ TIP that his actions don't seem to add up for an actual scum, and that his intents actually make sense given the progression of d1.

Gen_Wolf is a little confrontational d1, which I don't expect from scum, but obviously a pressure vote is useless if it's known to be such and no one else stacks with it, then on d2, mostly with 541, he "notices" the freezer l-1 and is generally loud about recent pro-town activity. Then most of his d2 after refrains from posting new opinions or hunts, since he's somehow confident again.

Finger of Suspicion

[b/]

So anyway, its a lot later than I want to play, but I'll say that the only person I can pretend to rely on being town is JMO, and while I'm directing my fire at gen_wolf, I won't really go between you 3 based on how this game went.

[Tamuz]

Then fucking replace out; it's better for Town to have a committed person to play

Fuck you.
I'm clearly committed, I just don't want 3 pages where 78% of the posts are one liners with no content.

Grow the fuck up. Realize you're playing with humans in FORUM mafia and we want real posts not this shit 1-liner 'i'm not scum' -- 'i'm not either' back and forth shit.

Go play chat if you want to play like you are. I will not play with you or jmo ever again and I will move to rescind IC status from either of you after this game. There is nothing positive the way you have acted in this game can introduce to a newbie. The way you are playing is destroying any enjoyability this game could have. If you continue as you are, I will not respond to you. You aren't reading anyone anyways with you desire to spam multi-posts, so it'll be no different but I won't shit-post 5 posts in a row.


The game numbers, that I have talked about.

Like I said everything, numbers logic and gut agree TIP are scum. JMO is being a king douche, but the numbers don't think he is scum.

Name	ST	MT	MS	SS	Posts
Greywing	8	3	6	1	40
N64Lord luigilewis889 talah	6	4	5	3	211
guyinfreezer mothrax	2	5	7	9	57
honey bee	1	8	9	9	36
jmo16mla	5	2	8	5	200
malakittens theirishpope	9	1	4	4	109
thanearvan gen_wolf	4	6	2	9	73
tybalt	3	7	3	9	15
uoyeluri hyperion fropome tamuz	7	9	1	2	45

first letter:
S= strongly
M= mostly
second letter:
S=scummy
t= towny



More important numbers:

Code: Select all

uoyeluri hyperion fropome tamuz       0.6756162271716952
thanearvan gen_wolf     0.6728301095095651
N64Lord luigilewis889 talah    0.6171990188595428
guyinfreezer mothrax    	0.8751339373427004
malakittens theirishpope    0.6450976867731328
jmo16mla    0.9180717607909971

Higher is townier

[Gen_Wolf]

Then fucking replace out; it's better for Town to have a committed person to play

Fuck you.
I'm clearly committed, I just don't want 3 pages where 78% of the posts are one liners with no content.

Grow the fuck up. Realize you're playing with humans in FORUM mafia and we want real posts not this shit 1-liner 'i'm not scum' -- 'i'm not either' back and forth shit.

Go play chat if you want to play like you are. I will not play with you or jmo ever again and I will move to rescind IC status from either of you after this game. There is nothing positive the way you have acted in this game can introduce to a newbie. The way you are playing is destroying any enjoyability this game could have. If you continue as you are, I will not respond to you. You aren't reading anyone anyways with you desire to spam multi-posts, so it'll be no different but I won't shit-post 5 posts in a row.


The game numbers, that I have talked about.

Like I said everything, numbers logic and gut agree TIP are scum. JMO is being a king douche, but the numbers don't think he is scum.

Name	ST	MT	MS	SS	Posts
Greywing	8	3	6	1	40
N64Lord luigilewis889 talah	6	4	5	3	211
guyinfreezer mothrax	2	5	7	9	57
honey bee	1	8	9	9	36
jmo16mla	5	2	8	5	200
malakittens theirishpope	9	1	4	4	109
thanearvan gen_wolf	4	6	2	9	73
tybalt	3	7	3	9	15
uoyeluri hyperion fropome tamuz	7	9	1	2	45

first letter:
S= strongly
M= mostly
second letter:
S=scummy
t= towny



More important numbers:

Code: Select all

uoyeluri hyperion fropome tamuz       0.6756162271716952
thanearvan gen_wolf     0.6728301095095651
N64Lord luigilewis889 talah    0.6171990188595428
guyinfreezer mothrax    	0.8751339373427004
malakittens theirishpope    0.6450976867731328
jmo16mla    0.9180717607909971

Higher is townier

i agree 100% re one liners.

I might be being silly but can you explain the numbers above to me please?

TIP rather than say you are town all day long build a case on who you think is scum!

JMO, including this game, how many othertimes have you played scum?

Tamuz, who would you vote first, JMO or TIP? According to your numbers scum team is n64 and tip yet you say jmo and tip?

N64, am i seirously your biggest suspicion considering what you saw over the last 4 pages from tweedle dee and rweedle dumb?

[Tamuz]

You would have a hell of a time convincing me that TIP is not scum.

Emotionally I would love to vote JMO, but the numbers rating him so townly gives me massive pause, but I can't say I'm considering voting him with TIP still alive. I hate JMO's post. I hate how he's played. I hate basically everything about him this game, and I recognize that this clouds me and I think he is scum especially in regards to mala's posts.

But I intend to vote TIP today and only TIP.

Numbers. The bottom code part: higher number = more town via maxent.

The top table is ranks (1-9) for each person. So Each post is classified as (strongly/mostly) (scummy/townie) then proportions of these classifications are calculated for each player, and then it is ranked.
1 means that the value is the greatest in that column, 9 means that it is the least.

Frex Honeybee's 1889 means that her Strongly Townie proportion was the greatest in the game, her mostly towny and scummy proportions were second smallest in the game and that she had the smallest proportion of strongly scummy posts in the game. Is that clearer?

I can go deeper, but that generally becomes distracting. This is a work in progress, and I know this and generally full descriptions result in people attacking me for 'not scumhunting' :rolleyes:. But I'm willing to go further if need be

The results at the bottom in /code/ uses these and a few other categories to judge roles.

[N64Lord]

You do realize that hyperion slots number would be nearly .466 if he had a greater number of posts(with the same strongly scummy to strongly town ratio)

Gen Wolf's arguments on d3 are mostly that jmo and TIP are doing mylo recklessly and a need for everyone to post their reads on who the two scum are.

Well, that makes sense
I know people have said that jmo is scummy, but his ISO doesn't jump out at me. I won't be voting him anytime soon.
Tamuz is kind of null right now, but I don't know how to feel of this last post, because he is rushing
Gen_Wolf is nullscum, he's definitely not Town, and that's why I want to see the replacement
Popcorn to Tamuz; reads, if you would

I disagree. I personally feel a no lynch would be better but I have been shunned upon lately. I disagree with the logic.

the question seems genuine and the part in the middle is pure fluff filling the post?

vote jmo.

you should have been lynched d1

Even if he is talking about d2, I don't see this coming from town, and he plays up that the vote was due to frustration.

[TheIrishPope]

Tamuz and you whining about playstyles is helping Newbies? How?
And Mafia is definitely not about numbers; if that was the case, we would just lynch randomly and hope for the best

In any case, if I understood your magic scumfinding numbers correctly, talah is the scummiest

[jmo16mla]

To answer gens question, I've played in like, 1, 2, 3, 4 competed games as scum. Somewhere around there.

[jmo16mla]

Okay, so, where does how I post, make me scum or not? If I post 1 liners as I think of things, I'm going to god damn post them. I'm not going to sit and wait for someone else to post just so thank don't triple post. That would be the dumbest thing ever.

So my question for you gen, what over the last four pages, makes me and/or tip scum?

[Tamuz]

You do realize that hyperion slots number would be nearly .466 if he had a greater number of posts(with the same strongly scummy to strongly town ratio)

Yes I realize the number of posts effects things and I have measures to look at proportion and total.

Tamuz and you whining about playstyles is helping Newbies? How?
And Mafia is definitely not about numbers; if that was the case, we would just lynch randomly and hope for the best

In any case, if I understood your magic scumfinding numbers correctly, talah is the scummiest

Are you ever going to add anything to the game, or would you like to continue throwing flack at this game and hope that being a big enough pain in the ass that whatever you bait out of me can be turned into a scum argument?
Lets see you've
1. Inherited a slot with a gimme scumtell.
2. Inherited a slot that did not take stances on people and simply poked until they could jump on a wagon in traditional scum safe-spots.
3. Hammered an unclaimed person quote- without reading the entire thread -endquote
4. Have presented 0 concrete thoughts today. Your two 'reads' are null and 'nullscum' on someone 'who is definitely not town'.
5. When asked to provide anything else you deflect and shitpost with 26 1-line posts over 3 pages.

Okay, so, where does how I post, make me scum or not? If I post 1 liners as I think of things, I'm going to god damn post them. I'm not going to sit and wait for someone else to post just so thank don't triple post. That would be the dumbest thing ever.

So my question for you gen, what over the last four pages, makes me and/or tip scum?

TBH how you are posting probably is probably screwing the numbers over due to the volume aspect and the idea that short posts can't contain enough information to differentiate one way or the other.

And the way you are posting is detrimental to the town. You aren't posting 1-liners as you think of things, because there clearly isn't thought of content in your posts.

If your post isn't worth 5 minutes for you to sit down and actually flesh out a full idea and the support for it, the reasoning around it and the implications of it then the post isn't worth writing.

[TheIrishPope]

Tamuz, I'll try to stay calm throughout this. You are fabricating ideas of your own. You expect people to follow your ideas and fit into your perspectives. You want them to be you. That's not good. Mafia is not a game of individuals. Mafia is a game of many people. With that being said, you have to respect there are different playstyles and that not everyone thinks and acts like you. They are not you. You are you. You have to leave your stubbornness at the door if you want to enter. You can't waltz in, set ideas on the table and expect-no, demand- people to do what you say. Now sit down, eat Snickers or whatever, chill, and come back later when you are not hyperventilating.

Now, Tamuz, will we stop and find these scum?

[Tamuz]

Well, that makes sense
I know people have said that jmo is scummy, but his ISO doesn't jump out at me. I won't be voting him anytime soon.
Tamuz is kind of null right now, but I don't know how to feel of this last post, because he is rushing
Gen_Wolf is nullscum, he's definitely not Town, and that's why I want to see the replacement
Popcorn to Tamuz; reads, if you would

Thank you for taking this opportunity to actually post content and not trying to bait a larger discussion of how much you are posting without ever actually adding anything to the game.

Heaven forbid I try to ask you to post about the game and stop posting in a manner that is detrimental and distracting to the game.

We will not find the scum because you won't work with the town at all.

You have plenty of opportunity to scumhunt and instead you have spent that railing against a, at first, kind request that you stop spamming.

Gen, N64. I am ready to vote TIP, this is going nowhere. If either of you have lines of discussion I am happy to talk with you about them.

[Gen_Wolf]

You do realize that hyperion slots number would be nearly .466 if he had a greater number of posts(with the same strongly scummy to strongly town ratio)

Gen Wolf's arguments on d3 are mostly that jmo and TIP are doing mylo recklessly and a need for everyone to post their reads on who the two scum are.

Well, that makes sense
I know people have said that jmo is scummy, but his ISO doesn't jump out at me. I won't be voting him anytime soon.
Tamuz is kind of null right now, but I don't know how to feel of this last post, because he is rushing
Gen_Wolf is nullscum, he's definitely not Town, and that's why I want to see the replacement
Popcorn to Tamuz; reads, if you would

I disagree. I personally feel a no lynch would be better but I have been shunned upon lately. I disagree with the logic.

the question seems genuine and the part in the middle is pure fluff filling the post?

vote jmo.

you should have been lynched d1

Even if he is talking about d2, I don't see this coming from town, and he plays up that the vote was due to frustration.

so my d1 case on him is insignificant. protecting your scum buddy there?

[Gen_Wolf]

Well, that makes sense
I know people have said that jmo is scummy, but his ISO doesn't jump out at me. I won't be voting him anytime soon.
Tamuz is kind of null right now, but I don't know how to feel of this last post, because he is rushing
Gen_Wolf is nullscum, he's definitely not Town, and that's why I want to see the replacement
Popcorn to Tamuz; reads, if you would

Thank you for taking this opportunity to actually post content and not trying to bait a larger discussion of how much you are posting without ever actually adding anything to the game.

Heaven forbid I try to ask you to post about the game and stop posting in a manner that is detrimental and distracting to the game.

We will not find the scum because you won't work with the town at all.

You have plenty of opportunity to scumhunt and instead you have spent that railing against a, at first, kind request that you stop spamming.

Gen, N64. I am ready to vote TIP, this is going nowhere. If either of you have lines of discussion I am happy to talk with you about them.

The only reason I am weary to vote TIP because mala seemed townie and influential. However, the fact TIP is bussing me makes me want to vote him. I would prefer a JMO lynch? Run your TIP case by me again please? Sorry, its cause its lylo and im scared haha

[N64Lord]

I didn't find malakittens good townstanding to be well-founded...

Hi I will get an avatar sometime soon

While you are at it. You should place an RVS vote down too.

I don't see how Jmo's vote went unnoticed. It was odd to me and I asked. How did you end up missing that?
I still find your random vote on Grey to be off as I said replacing someone in a slot is a null tell.
Grey missioned accomplished. Want to remove your vote now?

You can't do the thing I just encouraged, I don't want someone with anti-town posts buddying me!

ThaneArvan,

You are still side-lining though. You haven't placed a vote. Do you have any scum-suspects worthy enough for a vote?

You're not being productive, you should devote more time to making lists rather than asking people questions about the content of their posts!

That's an oppurnist vote if I ever seen one.
It's null tell because town can be afaird to pressure. I remember my first ever game. I was scared to pressure.
Okay my top two scum list is { Tybalt, Lugi}

You know how I don't like weak votes, well I want you to know that over-eager people are the real scum.

It doesn't. I want to know where you stand with reads. Your vote is just weak because it was for 'pressure' now there's no reason for it to stay.

I want you to unvote, using your vote is just plain rude.

@Talah:

I have a question. Why ask filler questions regarding the mafia experience now in Day 2. Why didn't you ask during Day 1? Where it was more suitable to do so.
I don't know if I like how you jumped onto the Grey wagon once he got a vote on him. If you though he was scum why didn't you vote him before Gen?

I think I have to agree with Hyper. HB was super town and usually super town are first to go because they can't be pushed as a mislynch and they lead lynches.
Talah I already gave you my thoughts on Grey. I disagree with your thoughts on Grey because he's kinda playing to his town meta. So if it was a choice between Grey / Gen it would have to be Gen, but that's after I eliminate Grey because he's playing to meta. You could be scum yes. I also noticed after I called you out for large activity your activity decreased.
Also where are the rest of you?

This is called making more room to manuver in case any of the above become the focus of a wagon later in the game, it's important that I also bring up wifom on the nightkill, since that is something that clearly can't be taken either way and lead town into wasting more time.

Kay, fine I won't be subbing out, but if someone throws Mala is lurking in my face - I'll scream.
@Jmo:
The vote on GIF is just a pressure vote? Or does it have something to do with the slot?~~
I do have to admit the activity is pretty bad right now and I'm sorry I'm not helping much.

I'll apolgize for your low activity, but you have to promise to unvote every third post.

Malakittens never really pushes through on any scumhunts, and is generally ok with letting his distracting questions go unanswered, he also makes sure he is never tied down on any read, and while he does defuse some pointless arguments, he also slows down any information building wagons. He's great at being "hurt" by the stupid stuff that went on in this game, but hardly bothers to make sure the guilty party is punished; He'll even do the whole act over again if someone does the hunting for him. TIP inherited this mess, and isn't going to bring miracles. I'm ready to believe he is scum now.

[TheIrishPope]

Check Mala's scumgames and towngames, and check my scumgames and towngames
For fuck's sake Tamuz
I devoted ten minutes writing an insightful post just for you
Helloooooo I'm Tooooown

[Tamuz]

On Mala:
Generally she looks like she was active lurking all game. There is sparse commentary, but she hardly pushes and she rarely addresses the wagons. N64 has covered this so I'll only dupe a little

When she makes an assertion its through some really bad appeal, ie:

Sorry it's a touchy subject for me because I have recently had two different games where

two different scum people accused me of faking V/LA

, but I have also had another game where a town accused me of not being able to get to my computer right away after I posted and accused me of dodging. >.>

as well as the mysterious appeal to lolsecrettowntell on Hyperion. These are smokescreen assertions that someone is scum/town. They can't be refuted, but they are used to push an alignment at a person. This allows her to take a stance, but she can't be scrutinized for the reasoning of these stances. Reasoning that can't be discussed is very nasty for the town.

Do a regex search for 'null ?tell' and then 'scum ?tell' in her posts (or just search 'null tell' and 'scum tell'. Mala has a penchant for saying that actions don't matter, but she will not say that something is scummy, or something is towny. Hide in the middle!

This is her 43rd post:

but I haven't had time to make a clear case.

She hasn't made a clear case for 43 posts and still does not have time to make one. Am I beating this dead horse enough? Mala does not make cases, she'll list the town as towny/scummy, but gives 0 reasoning.

Then we get to this tell:

I have to agree that is was better to have a lynch then a no lynch, but it's sad we lynched a pr off.

Also HoneyyyyyyyBeeeeeee; I'll avenge you!

Lamenting a lynch is overcompensating scum trying to appear towny. That and the promise to 'avenge' the night kill is another overcompensation to appear towny (that townies actually never does).

Hey Guys, I Swear I Am Town And Will Work To Help My Town Teammates

Lets also drop this gen where she explains why HB was killed:

HB was super town and usually super town are first to go because they can't be pushed as a mislynch and they lead lynches.

Explicit statements of why the NK target was NK'ed are scummy.

Then we get to TIP:

Whow whow whow, good thing I checked in but we shouldn't put anyone at L-1 right now

Read about 5 pages, and checked the day 1 lynch and HOLY SHIT a hammer without a claim is a policy lynch, no exceptions
VOTE: Grey

Be careful with your votes guys

Lets put these posts next to each other. Urges caution to everyone else. Doesn't do it himself. We all know this is bad, but I'm really confused why nobody except jmo even mentioned that he hammered without a claim without reading more than 5 pages. He speaks the town line (be cautious with your vote) and then ACTS in complete opposition to that line.

Now today uggh. I'm not pulling posts. Just read it. There is no content there, its postbarfspam. Questions put to him, or discussion involving him that include scumhunting are ignored, but he'll respond vehemently to 'off-topic' issues like his god-given right to shitpost instead of scumhunt. This is simply a distraction. It gives him a strawman to beat and assault and make it look like he is doing something productive for the game, when in reality he has done 0 scumhunting.
Like Mala TIP has made weak assertions ("Tamuz is nulltown, Gen is nullscum"-- and there's that null word again that can be flung out without explanation) but he has put down nothing explaining why he holds these assertions and why someone appears town or appears scum.

0 proactive action to find scum, the play is reactionary and involves throwing out flack, but no certainly no scumhunting.


Pedit, TP posted:
You spent 10 minutes writing a post whining about me not wanting you to triple post and spampost. Over 150 words of not scumhunting with relevance only to a strawman that you will fight to the death, but you won't say a word relevant to who you think is scum and why.

Nice.

[TheIrishPope]

Didn't know that not being sure on reads means I'm scum geez
I replaced in
Not scumhunting? My playstyle, my reaction gathering works all the time; the problem is people won't listen to me

[jmo16mla]

Gen, you seemed to have missed this.

So my question for you gen, what over the last four pages, makes me and/or tip scum?

Also, what made you vote me when I was voting for TIP?

[Tamuz]

Didn't know that not being sure on reads means I'm scum geez
I replaced in
Not scumhunting? My playstyle, my reaction gathering works all the time; the problem is people won't listen to me

I know you are purposefully being obtuse.

You have not given any reasoning for any read. Pretty much everyone has asked you for reasons and you never provide any. Instead you keep playing this appeal to emotion 'poor me cards'.

poor me, nobody listens to me. poor me, my playstyle is being encroached on. poor me, people want me to give opinions and explain why I have them. Why can't they just let me play mafia my way, by not playing and acting like its an aol chatroom?
Poor me.

Post your reasoning.

[TheIrishPope]

If you need reasoning, just ask for it, no need to give me walls
And the strategy works for me, I go with what works
Tamuz: I know this is a TvT because your posts sound genuine and have Town motivation behind them
Gen_Wolf: Moved to null because his recent posts made me doubt on my stupid scum accusation at the start of the day
N64Lord: The slot is hard to follow, both earlier people have played in a peculiar manner, but N64 feels Town. To balance it out, null
TheIrishPope: Me!
jmo16mla: Ah. jmo. Reminds me of myself. I remember one time when he was a VT and I was a Mason and we all ganged up on him and lynched him. His play here reminds me of his play there

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: tip

[TheIrishPope]

AH THIS BITCH AGAIN
WHY ARE YOU VOTING

[jmo16mla]

well, we have to find out whos scum sooner or later right?