The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Desperado]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

You went from apologizing for ignoring me with a hug smiley to voting me for wanting to talk to you (after ignoring me again). It was a drastic change in disposition with no catalyst.

And I'm terrible at what exactly?

[Generic]

Im torn on this desp and macmollie argument.

Desp is clearly (to me anyway) being antagonistic in his wording, but there are some legitimate statements to the reason behind the intent.

Macmollie is being passive aggressive, and its rare to see that in mafia (again from my perspective). That's not black and white, and given its an Hydra I have to weigh the fact it could be two spate people reacting. If not its disturbingly tactical, if its hydra indecision then it ends up null.

Either way right now im not sure if I want to touch either of your wagons.

[Generic]

spate = seperate

[Venmar]

You should vote Nexus then, a nice compromise.

[Generic]

Im liking my cabd vote right now. He hasn't done anything to suddenly make me ignore the points I raised.

[macmollie]

It's more like "Mollie are you scum because you pretended you wanted to engage with me but then never did and are now voting me for wanting to engage with you and I can't towntell you with that attitude."

Compare mollie's attitude towards me in #890 vs #1191. She was perfectly ready to powwow with me, I immediately responded, she never responded back, and now I'm tyrin to re-engage and she immediately votes me because she thinks I was asking her to answer D1 questions when I clearly wasn't?

where are you wanting me to engage with you on d2? and I am voting you cos you are fosing me for not responding to your d2 post and that is exactly what you are doing. it is right here in the thread.

quick, you and inhim spam up the thread so that this will get buried and mebbe people won't notice.

I am going to push this lynch until he is lynched so guess who you get to meet desp:

[Desperado]

It's more like "Mollie are you scum because you pretended you wanted to engage with me but then never did and are now voting me for wanting to engage with you and I can't towntell you with that attitude."

Compare mollie's attitude towards me in #890 vs #1191. She was perfectly ready to powwow with me, I immediately responded, she never responded back, and now I'm tyrin to re-engage and she immediately votes me because she thinks I was asking her to answer D1 questions when I clearly wasn't?

where are you wanting me to engage with you on d2? and I am voting you cos you are fosing me for not responding to your d2 post and that is exactly what you are doing. it is right here in the thread.

quick, you and inhim spam up the thread so that this will get buried and mebbe people won't notice.

I am going to push this lynch until he is lynched so guess who you get to meet desp:

Recap:

Mollie ignores me D1
I ask her why
She apologizes, writes a huge post of notes, and asks to compare
I respond in kind
She never brings it up again
Mollie ignores me some more D2 (not a single mention in her individualized questions post)
I FOS her for pretending like she wanted to engage me with but then not following through
She votes me because I'm asking her to answer D1 questions

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What am I terrible at mollie?

[macmollie]

Im torn on this desp and macmollie argument.

Desp is clearly (to me anyway) being antagonistic in his wording, but there are some legitimate statements to the reason behind the intent.

Macmollie is being passive aggressive, and its rare to see that in mafia (again from my perspective). That's not black and white, and given its an Hydra I have to weigh the fact it could be two spate people reacting. If not its disturbingly tactical, if its hydra indecision then it ends up null.

Either way right now im not sure if I want to touch either of your wagons.

am I being passive aggressive or am I being openly hostile

generic what is your criteria for scum behaviour

[macmollie]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

[inHimshallibe]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie ;))

[macmollie]

You should vote Nexus then, a nice compromise.

it isn't going to happen

venny fucking work with me here if you are town

[Generic]

That's a broad question macmollie.

The obvious would be no scum hunting, ambiguous or non committal reads, panic when someone focuses suspicion on them...

Then there is the more subtle stuff, like white knighting, creating the foundations of suspicion but not pushing the wagon themselves.

Then there is the seriously ballsy stuff, like pushing a teammates lynch from nowhere, or deliberate scummy behaviour that double bluffs the reads.

If it helps macmollie up until your friendly then foe reaction to desperado I had you leaning a decent way into town. Now I am more null with regards to my opinion of you. Maybe a reread is required when I have more time, but with three kids I have to float in and out right now and live in the moment.

[Amrun]

From a very simple standpoint: if all that's left at the end of the game are VTs, town wins.

I may just be out of touch, but if I feel a PR oozing off of you and I don't think you're obvtown, I'm happy to pursue it.

Why would a PR want to appear obvtown?

This is aggressively terrible.

[Desperado]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

No comments on the back and forth between Generic and I at daystart?

And you're missing the point. You asked me to compare notes, and I did, and then the conversation just ended. You didn't seem like you were still trying to sort me out in #890, so what changed?

[Desperado]

Also, your insistence on saying that I'm easy to read when you've never seen my alignment is troubling, and the last thing that I am is terrible at playing scum.

@ inHim: That isn't a case.

[Generic]

Was that something noteworthy then desperado? I know in mafia everything gets analysed but that amounted to three fifths of fuck all in the end. I enquired on something mildly scummy in isolation, you countered with the reason, I accepted that it made sense.
What mare can be gained from that?

[Desperado]

Was that something noteworthy then desperado? I know in mafia everything gets analysed but that amounted to three fifths of fuck all in the end. I enquired on something mildly scummy in isolation, you countered with the reason,

I accepted that it made sense.

What mare can be gained from that?

It's more like you just dropped it until I asked you why you called my vote out if you weren't actually interested in examining the reasoning, the same way you ignored this post:

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

Yeah yeah I get that, but now you know why I was voting Nexus, and you haven't done anything with it. The conversation just sort of...ended. So why did you call me out on my vote if you didn't plan on following through once you received the information you were looking for?

About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

I agree that context is important, so why did you ignore the broader context of Nexus' previous treatment of "bad players?" He clearly thinks that bad = scum, and yet Metal's brand of bad was somehow town.

I think the contradiction is scum motivated. What do you think?

So you cared enough to call out my vote on Nexus and implicate me as Amrun's partner as a result, but not enough to actually discuss my read on Nexus. Why?

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

[inHimshallibe]

From a very simple standpoint: if all that's left at the end of the game are VTs, town wins.

I may just be out of touch, but if I feel a PR oozing off of you and I don't think you're obvtown, I'm happy to pursue it.

Why would a PR want to appear obvtown?

This is aggressively terrible.

Obvtown is too strong, but I think you're nitpicking here. "If I feel a PR oozing off of you and I don't think you're town..." etc.

Also, your insistence on saying that I'm easy to read when you've never seen my alignment is troubling, and the last thing that I am is terrible at playing scum.

@ inHim: That isn't a case.

Is it just bellyaching, then?

[inHimshallibe]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie ;))

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

It's possible, though at the moment if I were to vote one of your scumreads it would be Dekes.

[Desperado]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

[Desperado]

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

[macmollie]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

No comments on the back and forth between Generic and I at daystart?

no. not really. I had you both as leaning town.

And you're missing the point. You asked me to compare notes, and I did, and then the conversation just ended. You didn't seem like you were still trying to sort me out in #890, so what changed?

the day ended and a whole bunch of stuff happened.

what changed is that you opportunistically jumped on me by shadowing inhim's push with really retarded reasons and I have this idea in my head (feel free to disabuse me of this if I am wrong) that you are not retarded.

I work with my town reads, I am not going to work with you if I don't think you are town.

[Desperado]

what changed is that you opportunistically jumped on me by shadowing inhim's push with really retarded reasons

You're going to have to walk me through this because I have no idea what you're talking about.

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*