Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

VOTE: Iecerint

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 4.F

Iecerint 4

[Lynched!]

[/b] (GoodCop_BadCop, Selkies, Empking, Belisarius)

GoodCop_BadCop 1

(Iecerint)

Not Voting 1

(sword_of_omens)

"You killed Gawyn! I saw you!"
"No, I didn't."
"Actually I bet he did, that sounds really plausible."
"Mm-hm, yeah, definitely."

Well, at least that didn't take long.

Iecerint, Mazrim Taim, Forsaken Mafia Channeler Encryptor 1-Shot Strongman

, lynched Day 4.

It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours for Day actions and a bit over 72 hours from this post in total for Night, yes even though it's a weekend. Night ends at 2:30 PM Eastern, Tuesday July 16th.

[Cephrir]

Another night, another crispy body. At this point, you are no longer surprised or concerned by this development, just relieved it was someone else. Between the uncertainty of the consequences of these actions, the total lack of time to mourn, and the constant barrage of death, you are far too emotionally drained to feel much else. The face is unrecognizable this time, but beside the corpse lies a slim, seven-striped stole. This tells you all you need to know.

Selkies, Egwene al'Vere, Town Channeler Dreamer Dreamwalker

, has been killed Night 4.

It is now Day 5. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Belisarius]

Swords, GCBC, any useful night action results?

I did not receive an invention.

If not methinks we should lynch between me and Emp still.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Claim night role results in order of scummiest to least please.

Beli went first, Emp goes next.

I or swords last doesn't really matter which order.

[Empking]

I targeted Selkies with a roleblock.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I targeted Selkies with a roleblock.

Did you get anything from swords?

[Empking]

I targeted Selkies with a roleblock.

Did you get anything from swords?

No.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Very well. I'm pretty sure I know how everything played out last night, then. Will wait on swords to confirm his action, but everything clicks into place.

[sword_of_omens]

@Beli... when you night walked by yourself did you get your own QT

[Belisarius]

@Beli... when you night walked by yourself did you get your own QT

No, I did not.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wooooooo go town!

[sword_of_omens]

fair enough...

I dream walked last night....I got a pm staying that no one else dream walked...

recap on my night actions...
N1 I gave Selkies a 1 shot redirect A'dam
N2 I gave Nero a 1 shot dreamwalk ring
N3 I gave Selkies my best toy...a disk that allows her ability a strong man ninja
N4 dreamwalked

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Okay.

So I can confirm Swords is telling the truth. Hawk and I debated over who to watch, couldn't decide between selkies (the investigative) or swords (the obvtown) because we knew one of the three of us would be the NK target. I flipped a coin since he and I couldn't agree, and it said to watch Swords. I got a result that I could not find swords. Which makes perfect sense with him dreamwalking.

Therefore, scum is either Emp or Beli. At this point we need to look at both of them. I know selkies was leaning emp before she died, but I need to go back and re-read the D1 interactions between these two and the two flipped scum. Also, things that worry me are Beli's hammer yesterday, and Emp's target he claimed today. The "yes I role blocked selkies" thing feels like a cover in case I targeted selkies last night.

[Belisarius]

Fantastic!

So now Emp and I crossvote, leaving the hammer in confTown hands.

Til shade is gone, til water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with my last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day! Fuck yeah!

VOTE: Empking

Now: Iece's flip shows us that scum

did

have limited daytalk via the Encryptor ability. Who's the one person in this game who has exhibited symptoms of having daytalk? That's right, Demon. His refusal to claim when called upon makes perfect sense in the context of talking over his claim with his scumbuddy Iece.

Emp's reaction to my rule of 3 post is equally scummy; coming from a town mindset, anything that narrows the lynch pool is good. Why didn't Emp just gun for me right from the get-go? Because he was hoping to push for a mislynch of Selkies or GCBC. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[Empking]

Emp's reaction to my rule of 3 post is equally scummy; coming from a town mindset, anything that narrows the lynch pool is good.

Not if it narrows it wrongly. (Which apparently it didn't.)

Why didn't Emp just gun for me right from the get-go? Because he was hoping to push for a mislynch of Selkies or GCBC. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Why wouldn't I try to 'mislynch' you.

Vote: No Lynch

- Even numbers.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

No lynch is a bad idea since scum will just kill myself or swords. All it does is take it from two people debating which of you is scum to only one of us. We know it's one of you two {emp, beli} at this point. In fact, Emp's post looks like it's made just to attempt to gain towncred, since he says beli is scum but goes for the NL anyways. Swords, thoughts?

[Empking]

No lynch is a bad idea since scum will just kill myself or swords. All it does is take it from two people debating which of you is scum to only one of us. We know it's one of you two {emp, beli} at this point. In fact, Emp's post looks like it's made just to attempt to gain towncred, since he says beli is scum but goes for the NL anyways. Swords, thoughts?

1. It's easier to manipulate one of two people than one of one.
2. If the pressure is on one of you then that person will give 100%, while if there's two of you you'll both have the other do most of the Orkney.
3. Any of the hundreds of reason why 3p lyol is superior to 4p that you can name through experience.

[sword_of_omens]

I definitely need to go back and re-read..
right now if I had to choose, I think I'd probably be voting for Emp..
his roleblock of Selkies also seems to me like a safety claim, in case there were watching eyes...
but there are a few things I wanted to look at, first..

[Empking]

I definitely need to go back and re-read..
right now if I had to choose, I think I'd probably be voting for Emp..
his roleblock of Selkies also seems to me like a safety claim, in case there were watching eyes...
but there are a few things I wanted to look at, first..

If I was scum I'd claim to have targeted Selkie's.
Infowar a Roleblocker who suspected Selkie's as I indicated yesterday (and everyday since I replaced in) then I would've targeted Selkie's and claimed the same. I know how it looks but if you look closer its the definition of a null tell.

[Belisarius]

Vote: No Lynch - Even numbers.

Seriously?

We had even numbers yesterday and you didn't bring this up.

No lynching does not narrow the suspect pool at all. It's you or me, 100%. There's a 0% chance either of us would NK the other -- it would actually be violating the siterule against playing against your wincon.

What are you even trying to accomplish here?

Infowar a Roleblocker who suspected Selkie's as I indicated yesterday (and everyday since I replaced in) then I would've targeted Selkie's and claimed the same

You wouldn't even have

considered

no-actioning to avoid muddying up the waters for GCBC? Don't forget it was

Iece's

flip that made GCBC conftown based on the fact we weren't endgamed yesterday or before.

[Empking]

Vote: No Lynch - Even numbers.

Seriously?

We had even numbers yesterday and you didn't bring this up.

The claim was obviously the major thing.

Don't forget it was

Iece's

flip that made GCBC conftown based on the fact we weren't endgamed yesterday or before.

I don't understand your meaning.

[Belisarius]

I don't understand your meaning.

As of the time that Selkies confirmed GCBC's role yesterday, he could

only

have been scum with Selkies; since Iece flipped scum, had they been scum together yesterday would have been 3scum vs. 3town, which is endgame. It was not necessary to see Selkies flip to confirm GCBC, therefore he was confirmed town as of time to submit night actions. Ergo, by

not

roleblocking, you can't be identified as a potential killer by the watcher. As town going into effective-lylo, you don't want to give the scum ammo to use to mislynch you, so no-action is the optimal action to take, unless you're trying to block the kill.

It wouldn't make sense for scum-Selkies to help GCBC lynch her partner in mylo instead of going for the win, so if you were town,

I

should have been your top scumspect. If you were trying to block the kill, you would have roleblocked

me

. Nobody else. Only scum wouldn't have wanted to do it knowing that I already used my 1-shot ability and had no role to block.

[Empking]

OK, you're spouting balls here. Selkie's confirmed GB. GB didn't confirm Selkie's.

[Belisarius]

Not 100% confirmed, no, but it would make more

sense

for scumSelkies to go for the win instead of bussing. From any point of view except mine, I would have been

far

likelier to be scum than Selkies.