Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Dante]

Why NS over TSO?

Had a scum read on NS for a while now. Town read on TSO from an earlier observation.

Earlier observation being...?

He jacked up who I was...have to think that as scum he would have confirmed that...

[Nobody Special]

Also, note that he hasn't really addressed me outside of asking me "what next" after the modkill despite being the main proponent of the NS lynch. Does that not strike you as odd? Town NS would be giving me the business. Scum NS is waiting to see if everyone else is going to buy it before determining how hard to defend.

First, it's probably bad to assume that I might do anything from any alignment. That being said, Town-me doesn't really care when people wagon me. I simply keep scumhunting and if/when I get lynched or nightkilled, then the town has all that info from my scumhunting to go back to.

Secondly, Scum-me tries as much as possible to act like Town-me. So there's that.

[Skullduggery]

The point about potentially uneven scum teams makes me leery about going for connections to boxxy-rofl as well. I think it's very likely that there are other Slimy girls given the source material, but it could have been a two gal team given the strength of a JK-Sidekick combo. In which case we could chase connections until the cows come home to no avail.

Nah, there has to be at least one more slimy girl left. Otherwise we wouldn't have had two kills last night after Boxxy was eliminated.

I'll trust Penguin's read on Skull [even though she had that terrible "bah post" after the modkill]

Sorry. I had just gotten home from work and checked the thread, and that modkill was the first freakin' thing I saw. I was not a happy panda.

Varsoons play really bugs me, I can't quite put my finger on it. Unfortunately a gut read :/. I'll re-read him and see if I can pinpoint, I know I had a real reason at some point X_X.

Varsoon is the closest thing to confirmed Town we have at this point. Pushing that mislynch is pointless. Give it up.

penguin if you get me lynched and you're wrong, please just don't try to find scum again and listen to others.

Care to rephrase this? Because to me, this sounds like you're entertaining the possibility that your lynch could be the wrong choice. However, if you were Town, you would

know

that it would be the wrong choice.

poor show, NS. Alienate the one person who thinks you're Town.

Unfortunately, it actually makes you more Town.

Hey, you remember all those times I asked you to explain why Nobody Special was Town and you completely ignored all of those requests? I remember those times. Those were good times. We were so young and carefree back then.

Your refusal to explain your alleged Town read on NS leads me to believe that you never had a Town read on him at all. What reason could you possibly have to lie about something like that? If Nobody Special flips Scum, I wonder what that would say about you.

Can we please get on the Eddie wagon

He's nearly confscum

Yes, build up that counter-wagon so you and Nobody Special will be safe. Well, at least we know that you and Eddie probably aren't Scum buddies, so thanks for that.

Double post? Clearly a scum tactic.

VOTE: EdditFenix

rvs vote on Eddie, who he misspells. Townslip'd.

You still haven't explained how this is a Townslip, exactly.

nah, the post with boxxy where he crosses off Eddie for no reason is the big one. that's just a slight add-on.

Then why wasn't that the first thing you said? Why focus on the add-on and

then

bring up the big one?

Reach a little harder, T S O.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T S O

Eddie is still Scum, though. Back burner for now.

Hmm, NS/Eddi/TSO scumteam?

Third slimy girl is Eddie. Other team is probably T S O, Nobody Special, and you.

Did I nail it? If you kill me tonight, I'll take that as a "yes."

Why NS over TSO?

Had a scum read on NS for a while now. Town read on TSO from an earlier observation.

Earlier observation being...?

He jacked up who I was...have to think that as scum he would have confirmed that...

Uh, can you explain this a different way? What do you mean, he jacked up who you are? I don't even know what you're saying here.

That being said, Town-me doesn't really care when people wagon me. I simply keep scumhunting and if/when I get lynched or nightkilled, then the town has all that info from my scumhunting to go back to.

And you haven't exactly done much Scumhunting this game, so....

[Skullduggery]

Assuming that the vote count wasn't reset after the mod-kill, we're at...

Nobody Special - Varsoon, Yates, Dante (L-3)
T S O - Penguin_Alien, Nobody Special, Skullduggery (L-3)
Varsoon - TiphaineDeath (L-5)
EddieFenix - T S O (L-5)

Not voting - EddieFenix, Rubicon

[penguin_alien]

The point about potentially uneven scum teams makes me leery about going for connections to boxxy-rofl as well. I think it's very likely that there are other Slimy girls given the source material, but it could have been a two gal team given the strength of a JK-Sidekick combo. In which case we could chase connections until the cows come home to no avail.

Nah, there has to be at least one more slimy girl left. Otherwise we wouldn't have had two kills last night after Boxxy was eliminated.

My bad; brain apparently went walkabout.

Vote count probably was reset.

[Rubicon]

Why NS over TSO?

Had a scum read on NS for a while now. Town read on TSO from an earlier observation.

Earlier observation being...?

He jacked up who I was...have to think that as scum he would have confirmed that...

Uh, can you explain this a different way? What do you mean, he jacked up who you are? I don't even know what you're saying here.

T S O thought dante was darthe.

[Skullduggery]

Mrf. Well, I just ISO'd Desperado to see if he left any hints about who he switched last night, but I found nothing. Anyone else want to take a crack at it?

T S O thought dante was darthe.

Oh, right, right. The phrase "jacked up" threw me off.

[Dante]

The point about potentially uneven scum teams makes me leery about going for connections to boxxy-rofl as well. I think it's very likely that there are other Slimy girls given the source material, but it could have been a two gal team given the strength of a JK-Sidekick combo. In which case we could chase connections until the cows come home to no avail.

Nah, there has to be at least one more slimy girl left. Otherwise we wouldn't have had two kills last night after Boxxy was eliminated.

I'll trust Penguin's read on Skull [even though she had that terrible "bah post" after the modkill]

Sorry. I had just gotten home from work and checked the thread, and that modkill was the first freakin' thing I saw. I was not a happy panda.

Varsoons play really bugs me, I can't quite put my finger on it. Unfortunately a gut read :/. I'll re-read him and see if I can pinpoint, I know I had a real reason at some point X_X.

Varsoon is the closest thing to confirmed Town we have at this point. Pushing that mislynch is pointless. Give it up.

penguin if you get me lynched and you're wrong, please just don't try to find scum again and listen to others.

Care to rephrase this? Because to me, this sounds like you're entertaining the possibility that your lynch could be the wrong choice. However, if you were Town, you would

know

that it would be the wrong choice.

poor show, NS. Alienate the one person who thinks you're Town.

Unfortunately, it actually makes you more Town.

Hey, you remember all those times I asked you to explain why Nobody Special was Town and you completely ignored all of those requests? I remember those times. Those were good times. We were so young and carefree back then.

Your refusal to explain your alleged Town read on NS leads me to believe that you never had a Town read on him at all. What reason could you possibly have to lie about something like that? If Nobody Special flips Scum, I wonder what that would say about you.

Can we please get on the Eddie wagon

He's nearly confscum

Yes, build up that counter-wagon so you and Nobody Special will be safe. Well, at least we know that you and Eddie probably aren't Scum buddies, so thanks for that.

Double post? Clearly a scum tactic.

VOTE: EdditFenix

rvs vote on Eddie, who he misspells. Townslip'd.

You still haven't explained how this is a Townslip, exactly.

nah, the post with boxxy where he crosses off Eddie for no reason is the big one. that's just a slight add-on.

Then why wasn't that the first thing you said? Why focus on the add-on and

then

bring up the big one?

Reach a little harder, T S O.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T S O

Eddie is still Scum, though. Back burner for now.

Hmm, NS/Eddi/TSO scumteam?

Third slimy girl is Eddie. Other team is probably T S O, Nobody Special, and you.

Did I nail it? If you kill me tonight, I'll take that as a "yes."

Why NS over TSO?

Had a scum read on NS for a while now. Town read on TSO from an earlier observation.

Earlier observation being...?

He jacked up who I was...have to think that as scum he would have confirmed that...

Uh, can you explain this a different way? What do you mean, he jacked up who you are? I don't even know what you're saying here.[/b]

That being said, Town-me doesn't really care when people wagon me. I simply keep scumhunting and if/when I get lynched or nightkilled, then the town has all that info from my scumhunting to go back to.

And you haven't exactly done much Scumhunting this game, so....

TSO tried to meta me...saying I had played in another game with him...ended up being some other dude whose name began with D...I took that as a simple mistake...a mistake scum would try to avoid...hence the town read...of course that was prior to him, NS or Rubicon continuing to vote the uncountered Doc...but I only got one vote and that factored into my decision to vote NS.

[Skullduggery]

TSO tried to meta me...saying I had played in another game with him...ended up being some other dude whose name began with D...I took that as a simple mistake...a mistake scum would try to avoid...hence the town read

Eh. Scum can get careless and make simple mistakes like that too.

If Nobody Special flips Scum, how will that affect your opinion of T S O?

[Skullduggery]

The point about potentially uneven scum teams makes me leery about going for connections to boxxy-rofl as well. I think it's very likely that there are other Slimy girls given the source material, but it could have been a two gal team given the strength of a JK-Sidekick combo. In which case we could chase connections until the cows come home to no avail.

Nah, there has to be at least one more slimy girl left. Otherwise we wouldn't have had two kills last night after Boxxy was eliminated.

My bad; brain apparently went walkabout.

Actually, wait, I just thought of another possibility: what if Pope tried to track Rubicon last night and this is what happened to him? What if Rubicon beats people so mercilessly with his baseball bat that it leaves them completely unrecognizable? The flavor would make sense.

What do you think, Rubicon? Does your role PM really say nothing about your kill flavor or did you just choose not to tell us that part?

Just a thought I had. Regardless, it probably isn't the most likely possibility, so I'm just going to continue playing under the assumption that there's still another slimy cootie-filled girl out there.

[Varsoon]

Hey, I'm back.
The modkill on Psyche blows. Here's who he protected:
... wait, he deleted his post in the QT.

I think I remember him saying he protected Skull and Desperado. That is, Desperado D1 and Skull D2. I'm fairly certain those were the two he told me when we QT'd.

He said Rubicon was clear in the QT, but he never engaged much in discussion.

He also said he was gonna quit playing after this game, and I feel like the modkill might've pushed him over on that.


Anyforwho, I don't like the Doc counterclaim to check Psyche's scumminess, even if it was a good play (in theory, for town). Psyche didn't like the MS slot, and I don't like it, but it'll be what it'll be. There's scummier folks to lynch, and I would be down with a TSO/NS/TD lynch today. Penguin is seeming way more town today (which is suspect, but, eh.) and Eddie/Dante/MS-TITUS-slot is as bad as ever. Skull and Rubicon are who I have for town.

I'd like to consolidate votes one of those scum-candidates.

Vote: TSO

@Skull: Is there any hint of who Pope was trying to track? Also, there's the possibility that Desperado swapped Pope and someone else.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote Count 4.2 - With 11 alive, it requires 6 to lynch - Day ends 7/28/13(plus possible additional time)

TSO(4) - penguin_alien, Nobody Special, Skullduggery, Varsoon

(L-2)

Nobody Special(2) - Yates, Dante

(L-4)

varsoon - TiphaineDeath
EddieFenix - TSO

[Varsoon]

@MonkeyMan576

Shouldn't Psyche not be on the List?

[MonkeyMan576]

Oh good call.

[Varsoon]

Given that XXXX is dead, it should also likely be 9 alive, 5 to lynch. This makes TSO L-1 and NS L-3

[MonkeyMan576]

There is 10 players alive and 1 player missing that does not count towards the vote count.

TheIrishPope
Varsoon
penguin_alien
Rubicon
Skullduggery
Metal Sonic---Yates
T S O
TiphaineDeath
EddieFenix
Nobody Special
Dante

[Varsoon]

Ah, makes sense. So it's still 6 to lynch?

[MonkeyMan576]

Correct.

[T S O]

penguin if you get me lynched and you're wrong, please just don't try to find scum again and listen to others.

Care to rephrase this? Because to me, this sounds like you're entertaining the possibility that your lynch could be the wrong choice. However, if you were Town, you would

know

that it would be the wrong choice.

It's not phrased wrongly at all, because I don't think I'm going to be lynched. Hence the if.

poor show, NS. Alienate the one person who thinks you're Town.

Unfortunately, it actually makes you more Town.

Hey, you remember all those times I asked you to explain why Nobody Special was Town and you completely ignored all of those requests? I remember those times. Those were good times. We were so young and carefree back then.

Your refusal to explain your alleged Town read on NS leads me to believe that you never had a Town read on him at all. What reason could you possibly have to lie about something like that? If Nobody Special flips Scum, I wonder what that would say about you.

So, this is the first time you've asked me for this today. I was going to do it yesterday, but then boxxy got lynched. And in light of boxxy's flip, I wasn't going to bother doing it. Now, I am going to do it. Now, you can start saying what you actually think instead of trying to make veiled threats. Thanks.

Can we please get on the Eddie wagon

He's nearly confscum

Yes, build up that counter-wagon so you and Nobody Special will be safe. Well, at least we know that you and Eddie probably aren't Scum buddies, so thanks for that.

So, I gather from this you think Nobody Special and I are on the other team? Well, even if we were, wouldn't it still make sense for you to lynch Eddie as the last Slimy Girl?

Double post? Clearly a scum tactic.

VOTE: EdditFenix

rvs vote on Eddie, who he misspells. Townslip'd.

You still haven't explained how this is a Townslip, exactly.

The definition of sarcasm.

nah, the post with boxxy where he crosses off Eddie for no reason is the big one. that's just a slight add-on.

Then why wasn't that the first thing you said? Why focus on the add-on and

then

bring up the big one?

Because someone before me had already made the case? Terrible.

Reach a little harder, T S O.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T S O

Eddie is still Scum, though. Back burner for now.

So you know Eddie's the last SG and refuse to do anything....legit.

Hmm, NS/Eddi/TSO scumteam?

Third slimy girl is Eddie. Other team is probably T S O, Nobody Special, and you.

Did I nail it? If you kill me tonight, I'll take that as a "yes."

2/4, 50%. Needs more effort.

Why NS over TSO?

Had a scum read on NS for a while now. Town read on TSO from an earlier observation.

Earlier observation being...?

He jacked up who I was...have to think that as scum he would have confirmed that...

Uh, can you explain this a different way? What do you mean, he jacked up who you are? I don't even know what you're saying here.

You should try to read the thread, then.

That being said, Town-me doesn't really care when people wagon me. I simply keep scumhunting and if/when I get lynched or nightkilled, then the town has all that info from my scumhunting to go back to.

And you haven't exactly done much Scumhunting this game, so....

Do you want to actually build a case on me, Skull?

[T S O]

It looks like my Wagon is Town-driven.

[Dante]

TSO tried to meta me...saying I had played in another game with him...ended up being some other dude whose name began with D...I took that as a simple mistake...a mistake scum would try to avoid...hence the town read

Eh. Scum can get careless and make simple mistakes like that too.

If Nobody Special flips Scum, how will that affect your opinion of T S O?

meh...other than the Doc pressure what links them?

[TiphaineDeath]

Please hold, traditional TD 180 coming sometime later today.

[Varsoon]

@TSO: Probably isn't a good strategy to subtly suggest you are on a scum-team with NS, shoot for town-points for calling your wagon town, and then refute most points with dismissal rather than articulation.

Also, you should regularly give reads as town in any game. It lets fellow town track your trajectory. It's important and helps people read you transparently, which is a good thing for town.

[Varsoon]

@TD: How much later today? We've had a lot of promises like that in this game that never got fulfilled. :/

[TiphaineDeath]

Rubicon-Post-Thingy

#5: RVS normally not a thing, but voting scum in RVS with the "boxxy is scum" could very easily be a cheeky boxxy buddy knowing he won't be noticed because "it's RVS" and he can pass it off easily later.

#75, this-post-is-bullshit. It looks really good on the surface but check out level two folks, scum city. At this point we had no idea multi ball was a thing. And rubicon is already saying that psyche is scum for weak pressure on, wait for it, someone he thinks is scum. Scum light pressure-scum doesn't happen when people know what they're doing, it's too bloody obvious. Heavy pressure or no pressure, distancing or bussing, ignoring their very existence, yes. Light pressure is almost always bad play, rubicon should know this. This post is a very subtle scumslip, rubicon knew we were in multiball all the way back here.

#282, TIP's case was decent? LOL. I couldn't even understand a goddamn word he was saying. Rubicon trying to pass this off as me intentionally flubbing to avoid a real case is, once again, bullshit, and scummy.

#593 does not contain a psyche vote, this is odd from a town perspective. From a scum perspective it's easy because he thinks he can get me lynched easier.

#713 is the PGO claim. As someone who knows the game is multiball, this claim makes an AWFUL lot of sense for scum.

#727 "Jailkeeper doesn't seem to prove multiball"-"Let's try to keep the town in the dark as long as possible"

#777 no, actually, lets talk about how you're protecting your buddy. The temporary, but heavy, pressure on varsoon, is exactly what I would expect from experience scum players who want to put some distance between them.

Lots of PGO discussion about how I should be dead except my stupid role doesn't "target" its targets, mumble grumble.

#1260, I would not be surprised as to a rubi-vars-TSO scumteam. TSO is already pretty bad without this connection.

#1272 base covering before it actually becomes an issue, classic scum paranoia.

#1301 "look how town I am, all of you get up off your asses- I'm LEADING!" Omg, the PGO claim combined with being town leader is going to take this scum all the way to the endgame.

#1323, I wonder why rubs hasn't mentioned dante today.... Oh wait, it's because all of his scumhunting is fake.

#1469, Hammer on boxxy, I might be wrong, he might be part of that scum team instaid of with TSO vars.

#1555 "You didn't sheep me when you said you woul, must be scum" Lolno

#1591 setting up future lynches or putting off lynching a scumbuddy 4 ever?

I had it wrong it's TSO-Dante-Rubicon Vars is probably the last of the slimy girls.

VOTE: Rubicon