What happened to you thinking that scum made up 1/3rd of the playerlist?
In post 5006, CrashTextDummie wrote:The fact that he's not trying to get Seanald lynched despite having him as a scumread along with you strikes me as odd because it would give him further insight into the validity of his theory.
I was burned yesterday after being so sure that Slandaar would flip scum. I'm not too keen to stick my hand back in the fire today. Also, between the two, Nero is the more social threat, while all Seanald does is lurk, sheep, and occasionally stir the pot.
In post 5007, CrashTextDummie wrote: In post 4848, Bulbazak wrote:2.) My reads are probably askew somewhere. I'm not sure what to think about you and Bacde anymore, especially after your posts at the end of d3. I was getting some genuine emotion from you. Same goes for HD, who, after going through his ISO, still confuses me when it comes to the intent behind his actions. AK essentially sucker punched me yesterday, so I'm not quite sure where I stand on her. I suspect that she's town, but I'm not sure whether I really care if she lives or dies at this point. I'm just going to leave her alone. Finally, Slandaar's flip has made me really paranoid about CTD. He still reads town to me, but he's not as strong of a townread as he used to be.
I still have 2 strong scum reads, which I still trust. However, if I end up being wrong about them, then town might as well put me out of my misery, because I am obviously no use to them.
Read: Bulba is bussing one or both of Nero/Seanald.
If I am constantly wrong, especially on my strongest scum reads, then I am essentially useless to the town. Add in the fact that I make a popular wagon, which can prove to be a distraction, and there is no reason why scum wouldn't want to keep me around as long as possible, which makes me a liability to the town.
In post 5011, Cephrir wrote:Nero also appears to have uncanny levels of insight into Bulba's thought process despite thinking he's scum =/
He's seen me as town before in Voided's nightless mountainous game, and has seen me latch onto somebody and not let go. I then spent some time scumhunting in the dead QT. I have no doubt he has some insight into my thought process.
That's because in previous games, new information either came up, or a strong townread had to pry me off the other person and tell me to chill for awhile.
In post 5018, Desperado wrote: In post 5015, Bulbazak wrote:You obviously wasn't paying close attention to what I actually said. The original point was on what is perhaps Nero's scummiest post all game. In it he tries to deflect Khan's attention onto other people, even though it was later shown that Nero was incorrect in everything he asserted them to do. He then follows that up with, "Why am I not on your townlist" or in other words "Why do you not think I'm town? Give me towncred.". Nero tried, and it can be argued that he was successful, to actually divert that conversation onto other people, namely AK and Mollie, each of those circumstances being markedly different than the one we were discussing. After I pointed this out, he then proceeded to call me scummy for disagreeing with him. All this from a conversation that was originally about him trying to get the conversation moved elsewhere, something that the course of events proves he's adept at doing, and for then trying to gain towncred from it.
Don't tell me I wasn't paying attention, bulb. You've identified the exact same tell on several other people (myself included) and you were wrong about it every time. If you say Player X is scum for Y reason, and four other players are also doing Y, it is perfectly legitimate for Player X to question your inconsistency. It is not a deflection, it's a refutation of the point. Let's go back to the source shall we?
The original Nero post:
In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:
....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.
This, but its also likely multiball so OS could still be scum.
+ its OS and I'd love to lynch that.
Khan's question:
Nero's "deflection:"
In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote: In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball
How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.
But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?
+ why am I not on your town list?
Bulb claims that none of that was true. Let's check.
^900 posts before Nero's multiball comment
In post 1878, Slandaar wrote:In post 1871, Slandaar wrote:
Well there are many explanations for this but they all conclude with; to gain what he thinks is a huge advantage.
Find him discussing that in a situation that does not involve 10 alive in an SK game as opposed to a Day start large.
He also never said it was a huge advantage for scum - he said it was dangerous for town in a SK present situation.
That's a questionable word twist on your part - clarify?
He didn't know it was an SK it was all theoretical just like this could have an SK or be Multiball etc, so your argument is what? he thinks its more beneficial in a large game where POE is useless over a game with 10 players and POE much more beneficial? (It also forced the SK if an SK into an awkward spot which I explained)
^600 posts before Nero's comment
In post 2381, Bulbazak wrote:
Actually, that was yesterday.
In post 2368, Slandaar wrote:
Nothing anyone else will be able to use for their benefit; the way he views Mac/thez is exactly how I have. And yes that makes him town unless its multiball.
When you said that you saw something that made Nacho town unless it was multiball, I was expecting something more substantial, not "Nacho has a similar scumread as me.". That's just weak.
^20 posts before Nero's comment.
Not only is your recollection that everyone he accused was innocent completely wrong, you were directly involved in it and quoted another, AND you've forgotten who was actually involved in the deflection, substituting AK and mollie (who they did argue about, but not for another 1000 posts or so) for slandaar and bacde. For the level of investment you are appear to have in this read, I find it scummy that you've conflated so many of your arguments with Nero with one another. I don't think it was ever real.
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Looking at the quotes: You're right that Bacde is speculating about multiball, but only because he thought Oversoul was scum and wanted to keep his Nacho scumread. It's mainly Bacde continuing to tunnel Nacho. Slandaar is arguing with Thor about Nacho and brings up things that Thor might not have considered. It's not really multiball speculation as Slandaar never claimed he believed it to be the case. As for me, I was asking Slandaar about a statement he made. I never state that I thought we might be in multiball.
What I'm referring to is this:
In post 2731, Nero Cain wrote: In post 2727, Slandaar wrote:Nero do you agree there is a very clear distinction between what I said and what you said?
but I don't know exactly what you said. I know that Bcade and Bulb were arguing over the number of the scum and that Bulb posted an insanely high/inflated number (7-8) and Bcade's was more reasonable.
OS, gimme me a tl;dr case on Despo?
As you can see, Slandaar was pointing out that he was doing something substantially different than Nero, and Nero had put Bacde and myself on the list because we were supposedly arguing over the number of scum. Btw, Nero's assertion about my posts was wrong, as he attributed Thezmon's posts (the magical 7-8 scum post that Nero keeps bringing up) to me, a fact he admitted to at the start of the next day phase. Essentially, he posted a "my bad" later on about everybody he accused in his post to Khan.
As for AK and Mollie, I was referring to what happened later on in my back-and-forth with Nero. Nero tried to move the focus of the conversation off of him and onto what AK, and later Mollie, did. I did my best to show the differences, and in Mollie's case, why that wasn't even the same thing (she didn't try to say, "but what about X?", since the whole thing was about Nero being possible 3rd party). As I said, it all has to do with the way things are said. Questioning criteria when asking "What about X?" is different than saying "What about X?" followed by "Why am I not a townread?". Nero's whole MO has been to shift attention off of himself and onto others, which you can say he was successful at, since he turned a whole argument about how he diverted attention away from himself into an argument about AK, then Mollie, then finally, "Why do you not think they're the same?" after having spent several day phases explaining why.
In post 5020, Human Destroyer wrote: In post 5015, Bulbazak wrote:So you're agreeing that a scum/scum neighborhood is more likely than both scum in different neighborhoods?
???
No, I haven't said that. I'm saying he had both players as scumreads.
A scum/scum neighborhood between two scum teams
is
possible though, I hadn't really thought of that.
In any case, one of them flipped town already, so that isn't even relevant.
The fact that Slandaar flipped town has no bearing on what Nero did while on the Slandaar wagon? He thought that both Slandaar
and
CTD might be scum, while pushing Slandaar. This either means that he thought they were in a scum/scum neighborhood, or that he thought CTD was scum if Slandaar flipped town. Nero is saying that he didn't think either, while still maintaining that he thought both were scum, which is contradictory.
