Micro 199 Nonsensical Narnia Day 4

[BROseidon]

My point was that AS' current vote is unsupported as well. Or is that ok, since it's on the same player you are voting?

I meant kdub. Typing fail >.>

Has AS even voted you this game?

[BROseidon]

Oh, looks like they have. Whoops >.>

[fferyllt]

So now I'm really curious why no one seemed to notice that I was pretty laid back about the claims, or cares what I actually think about them.

Bit self-important, ffff. I assumed you didn't bother because you didn't really think it was relevant at this point.
Besides, didn't you mention something about a game with two millers? Or was that someone else?

You assumed wrong. I'm looking for holes where there should be questions. And I'm trying to stretch the range of interactions a little.

I did mention the two miller game. I think that was when we were at 2 claims, but I am too lazy to check atm. I haven't opined until today about three claims/setup/likelihood.

[fferyllt]

GM why are you leaning towards letters?

Out of the three he's contributed the least content.
That said it's giving me a bit of a headache because his claim is objectively stronger than the other two.
Come to think of it MC hasn't done much recently, but his early game stuff was quite solid.
AS has the weakest claim but unless they're faking their content they just are acting really Town.

I'm in limbo. Limbo sucks.

I hope I'll see something clear from this ff vs gm

You seem to be sitting around waiting for data to come to you. What are your thoughts about the other claims? What did you get from the me vs gm interactions? What are your thoughts on BRO? bork?

[fferyllt]

am still behind with this game... my reads will up by tonight

What have you got?

[Kdub]

My read on you? Mainly it consists of the fact that you seem to fly under the radar in spectacular fashion without saying all that much of use.

Under the radar to you, or in general?

I also have nothing to say on AS's vote since I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is. There appears to be a bit of hydra dissonance going on.

Because I should never question my early reads ever. Remember that newbie game you replaced into where my early reads were horrible and the scum ended up being in slots I read as town early? Because I sure do.

I'll say it again: we are no longer in the "early" part of the day. Your backpedaling on your reasoning for your vote is quickly becoming secondary to the fact that you aren't forming any stronger reads.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

GM why are you leaning towards letters?

Out of the three he's contributed the least content.
That said it's giving me a bit of a headache because his claim is objectively stronger than the other two.
Come to think of it MC hasn't done much recently, but his early game stuff was quite solid.
AS has the weakest claim but unless they're faking their content they just are acting really Town.

your content read is stronger than your claim read?

I really don't think scum is in the 3 anti town roles.

Because I should never question my early reads ever. Remember that newbie game you replaced into where my early reads were horrible and the scum ended up being in slots I read as town early? Because I sure do.

Especially given that 1/2 of the AS hydra is the person I townread and turned out to be scum >:C

How is this evidence?

[goodmorning]

My read on you? Mainly it consists of the fact that you seem to fly under the radar in spectacular fashion without saying all that much of use.

Under the radar to you, or in general?

In general. Why?

your content read is stronger than your claim read?

Yes, isn't yours?

[BROseidon]

I'll say it again: we are no longer in the "early" part of the day. Your backpedaling on your reasoning for your vote is quickly becoming secondary to the fact that you aren't forming any stronger reads.

Similar to kdub, PoE and gut. I'm starting to think that there is scum in one of GM/ffery/kdub because of the interactions after my kdub vote, with GM+either of them not being the case, although ffery/kdub would still be a possibility.

This is has become stronger.

I also think that if one of the neg-utility claims is a fakeclaim, that it's AS. Letter's claim is almost certainly legit, although I guess he could be ascetic scum. The hated claim is probably true because it would be pretty dumb to fake claim a role that gets you policy lynched as scum. Bork's relatively low activity has me a bit concerned, but I don't have meta experience on him at all so I don't know if that's normal. AA9's lurking doesn't really have me thinking she's scum because she did the same in HP mafia and ended up being town. MC I'm having a hard time calibrating a read on.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

AA9's lurking doesn't really have me thinking she's scum because she did the same in HP mafia and ended up being town.

So AA9's lurking makes her town? At best it's a null tell.

[BROseidon]

I've stated before that it's null, iirc.

It's null.

[BROseidon]

AA9 still needs to catch up, which I think is null.

Eh, phrased it badly.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

your content read is stronger than your claim read?

Yes, isn't yours?

By content I mean "You're scum because you're not posting enough"

[goodmorning]

your content read is stronger than your claim read?

Yes, isn't yours?

By content I mean "You're scum because you're not posting enough"

By "yes, isn't yours" I mean "do you

really

take claims more seriously than the posts of the people who make them?"

[borkjerfkin]

I'll say it again: we are no longer in the "early" part of the day. Your backpedaling on your reasoning for your vote is quickly becoming secondary to the fact that you aren't forming any stronger reads.

Similar to kdub, PoE and gut. I'm starting to think that there is scum in one of GM/ffery/kdub because of the interactions after my kdub vote, with GM+either of them not being the case, although ffery/kdub would still be a possibility.

This is has become stronger.

I also think that if one of the neg-utility claims is a fakeclaim, that it's AS. Letter's claim is almost certainly legit, although I guess he could be ascetic scum. The hated claim is probably true because it would be pretty dumb to fake claim a role that gets you policy lynched as scum. Bork's relatively low activity has me a bit concerned, but I don't have meta experience on him at all so I don't know if that's normal. AA9's lurking doesn't really have me thinking she's scum because she did the same in HP mafia and ended up being town. MC I'm having a hard time calibrating a read on.

VOTE: BRO

This is giving me a sense that he's not set against lynching anybody today, and that he's throwing in basically every hypothetical scenario for just about anybody being scum without really attempting to sift through and figure out which of these is actually likely.

[borkjerfkin]

3 comes close to stretching my credulity to the breaking point.

I'm finding reasons to take all three individually at face value, so I'm a little worried that I'm missing something, but for now credulity is intact. I'm having the most difficulty articulating those reasons wrt TMT, but I can't get past having a town-sense about his posts so far.

I honestly hadn't considered an ascetic goon, but I'm still very much leaning against that, as I think it's more likely that an ascetic goon would not have advertised his role like TMT did.

[Kdub]

In general. Why?

Because I would disagree with you, especially relative to a few others players in the game.

Similar to kdub, PoE and gut. I'm starting to think that there is scum in one of GM/ffery/kdub because of the interactions after my kdub vote, with GM+either of them not being the case, although ffery/kdub would still be a possibility.

This is has become stronger.

Which part? Can you explain the specific interactions that make you think this?

In a vacuum, ascetic is much more useful for scum than town. The timing and manner of TMT's claim is what makes me think he is town.

[BROseidon]

I agree that letters is more likely town than scum, if for no other reason than that I don't think he'd pull that sort of a gambit at a meta level.

[goodmorning]

In general. Why?

Because I would disagree with you, especially relative to a few others players in the game.

Relative arguments from one's own point of view are hardly perspicacious.

[fferyllt]

kdub which players do you think are flying spectacularly under the radar compared to you (besides AA9, that's a given atm).

[BROseidon]

The way GM got in ffery's way makes it look like they aren't scum together. GM was disrupting ffery's questioning of me, which would make it potentially harder for her to discern my alignment, and might throw me off and misread her. At the same time, ffery has been pretty intent on pushing me, but hasn't actually put a vote down on me. Scum pushing for a mislynch while not actually being on the lynch is fairly standard. GM being disruptive would just be disruptive town play, in that case (which happens, and threw me off my first game).

The reason why I think kdub might be scum is because of how aggressively so people turned against me after the vote. kdub has been coasting a bit without any real pressure, and when I try to apply pressure I immediately get attacked. There has to be town in there, given that ffery/AS/bork/GM all responded negatively to my attack in one way or another, but the push feels too opportunistic. Actually, I have a quick question re: this point:

AS, which of you cast the vote for kdub?

[goodmorning]

I responded negatively to your VCA. Slight difference.

[fferyllt]

The way GM got in ffery's way makes it look like they aren't scum together. GM was disrupting ffery's questioning of me, which would make it potentially harder for her to discern my alignment, and might throw me off and misread her. At the same time, ffery has been pretty intent on pushing me, but hasn't actually put a vote down on me. Scum pushing for a mislynch while not actually being on the lynch is fairly standard. GM being disruptive would just be disruptive town play, in that case (which happens, and threw me off my first game).

The reason why I think kdub might be scum is because of how aggressively so people turned against me after the vote. kdub has been coasting a bit without any real pressure, and when I try to apply pressure I immediately get attacked. There has to be town in there, given that ffery/AS/bork/GM all responded negatively to my attack in one way or another, but the push feels too opportunistic. Actually, I have a quick question re: this point:

AS, which of you cast the vote for kdub?

How would you tell the difference between my trying to discern your alignment and trying to get you mislynched?

[borkjerfkin]

fferyllt I am finding I know very little about your reads sans the three claimed roles for the amount you've posted.

[fferyllt]

fferyllt I am finding I know very little about your reads sans the three claimed roles for the amount you've posted.

I'm in data acquisition mode. Are you asking for my reads?