The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[tsunami]

okay, laying out some thoughts and questions here.

@ tierce

I don't like your dismissal of nacho saying you were scum stalling by calling it trolling. nacho is a massive troll but he does not troll the game by calling people scum if he doesn't think they are cos it muddies the waters.

This is false. Remind me at a future point to explain why. There's also something in game that I will point to when I have more time and can explain this that throws some doubt on this.

I fell asleep again in the middle of reading, but the future is here. In open 501 nacho made it very clear his plan was to troll syry and call him scum and expected that in return, and when he didn't that's how he knew he was scum. He also advised me to fake. Strong scum read on tierce to make her look town because that's what he was going to do. In his reads list in this game he listed her as town and didn't second guess it like he did generics when he said that read was going stale. Also after that when I gave him my vote to help out with dukes he said he hoped tierce was taking notes, which means he was hoping that tierce would also follow him on dekes, hence he was appealing to her as town.

In short yes he does troll by calling people scum and if he actually did think tierce was scum he didn't show it in his posts.

[tsunami]

So the situation here goes mollie thought playing on the seesaw would be fun, and asked for desperado to give him some cotton candy. Mollie ate the cotton candy, but did not say thanks or sit on her end of the seesaw. Day two comes around, and desperado sees mollie at the seesaw promising fun and cotton candy to other people and feels slighted that she forgot all about desperado whom she left waiting all day and night. So when he goes up to mollie and says what about the cotton candy I gave you yesterday, didn't you like it, aren't you going to sit on the seesaw and have fun with me? Mollie replies that a new day comes with new friends and she doesn't care about day old cotton candy and to even ask is horrible of him.

Mollie just say thank you for the damn cotton candy, and take your turn on the see saw. Desperado made a very reasonable request and its pretty just twilight zone your response.

As for the meta discussion - desperado you are misunderstanding mollie. When she says things like wow your terrible at scum, she's meaning that she's reading you as scum right now and thinks you're terrible at it. She doesn't mean she metad you and learned that.

There were a few posts by generic that are having me doubt my scum read there a little. I need to look back because it could just be me liking anyone who sounded reasonable during that argument.

[ChannelDelibird]

Global post: Between tomorrow (19th) and probably the 23rd (TBC) I *may* have limited access. Should be stable internet where I'm going but won't know how good it is until I get there.

[Amrun]

tsunami's summary is pretty perfect.

[Andrius]

VoteCount

Dekes [4] - Amrun, Tierce, ChannelDelibird, Generic
Amrun [1] - Venmar
Generic [1] - tsunami
xRECKONERx [1] - inHimshallibe
Desperado [1] - macmollie
macmollie [1] - Desperado

Not Voting [5] - Ankamius, xRECKONERx, Cabd, Nexus, Dekes

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two will be July 27th, at 11pm Pacific Time.

Dekes' 48h will be up tonight.
xRECKx has been prodded. Nexus will get one tonight.

[xRECKONERx]

Got my prod. MOS is in town so I can't comment today.

[Nexus]

Fucking hell do I need a prod already?

Goddamnit. Sorry

[ChannelDelibird]

Just vote Dekes

[ChannelDelibird]

Dear oh dear. Sorry, I'm busy but not too busy for a full stop. I have standards to maintain...

[xRECKONERx]

okay

vote dekes

[inHimshallibe]

screechingly

vote: dekes

[Andrius]

Notice

Dekes

is being replaced.

[Venmar]

The Dekes wagon has quickly evolved into lynching a lurker and avenging a dead player who might have not been the kill and might have been wrong. There's just so many things I have wrong with this wagon personally that I hope it doesn't go through.

Amrun should be lynched, her recent posts are very unimpressive, she has shown little initiative ( in my opinion ) in pushing the Dekes wagon, and has instead resorted to non-scumhunting and commenting on some random things, most of which don't look like they're coming from a fresh or original point of view. Her involvement in the PM/Desperado argument seems a bit off, can't place my finger on it either.

Nexus has also made little effort to refute anything I have said about him. He just waves it off with his weak meta flag. He has done nothing redeeming and has only increased my scumread on him further by lurking. He isn't scumhunting at all, and while Reckoner looks genuinely disinterested in the game, Nexus's complaints don't look genuine. #1331 is completely useless, the matter of the fact is that he probably didn't mean anything in the post anyways since he is still doing nothing.

All with a Nexus townread should reread Nexus and reconsider and refer to my Nexus case, since I still strongly believe Nexus is flying under the radar and people are overlooking him due to half-hearted slapped on meta reads. So far, Nexus's small bursts of activity seem to come after I prod him with a scumread, and then he disappears. Umm?

[Desperado]

Amrun's involvement in our argument was off because he was essentially bashing the shit out of me for no reason ("You are so obviously wrong that it shouldn't even need to be explained to you...except I'm going to anyway, whether I'm involved in the discussion or not.") and then he said tammy's summary of events was "perfect" when on sum it was sympathetic to my point of view.

[Venmar]

Amrun's a girl.

[Amrun]

Exactly what do you think I ought to have done to push a Dekes wagon when Dekes is not around to address? I've been waiting for a reaction that clearly isn't coming.

You, on the other hand, have pushed my wagon blindly, without ANY valid reasons, since page 1. You're not thinking, you're just pushing. You haven't engaged me. You haven't done ANYTHING to "push" me, or determine if I'm really scum or not, and every reason you give is completely lame and so general you could say the same thing about ANYONE in the whole game. Your case on Nexus has been specific, but not on me -- it's the lamest of all lame ducks. This disparity is kind of confusing me and I don't know what to make of it. My early scumread on you was never shaken in a specific way, but has waned in the light of others who are scummier.

I like your push on Nexus -- don't get me wrong, I disagree with it, but I like it as far as your alignment goes. But your push on ME, and just about everything else about your play, is weak and reeks of opportunistism and scum to me. Even your baseless WK of Dekes just reads like "teehee I am not jumping on the lurker wagon and you guys are BAD for doing something so BAD!" You keep making vague statements like everyone is avenging Nacho without actually calling out who is doing that, and who is scummy for doing it, and that makes YOU scummy.

p-edit:

Desperado, everyone in the whole thread was tired of reading your stupid fucking argument. And read again; tammy's summary says EXACTLY what I said, except perhaps more nicely, and she also addresses mollie. Mollie wasn't around to tell to STFU, but you were.

You were blatantly wrong in that argument and that's just all there is to it. I believe that you believed your argument, but in this case, I don't think that says much about your alignment. It probably makes you slightly more town to me, though.

[macmollie]

venny why do you not think that nacho was the nk

also a game has ended so I get to use some meta! yaye!

@ cabd

consider this a shout out luv. lets get busy

@ inhim

you subbed into a slot that I was townreading but moved to scummy cos he subbed out. I townread him cos his play was so unsure in this game but the sub out wrt timing looked sus. pretty plz make it better. so far you are not really but I am wondering if it is an approach clash.

@ desp

where are you

@ tsunami

now you have done something interesting. it kinda makes feel better about desp but much worse about you. don't like your whole *poast of condescending whatever the fuck it was*

eta: xposts

[Venmar]

@Amrun - That whole post just reeked of discredit. +2 scum points for you madam.

@Mollie - I think it's reasonable to think that AV could make a lot of sense as a low profile kill.

[Amrun]

@Venmar: Funny, because that's ALL YOU'VE BEEN DOING to the Dekes wagon without ANYTHING specific. You won't back your shit up no matter how much you're poked.

[macmollie]

then walk me through that

eta: @ venny

[Amrun]

Also, I REALLY hate how you're talking about the night kills... It's just not good. You're going on and on about "low profile" and it just doesn't make sense. Nacho was NOT a prominent player yesterday -- BOTH possibilities are low profile. How you're talking about it just does not sit right with me. Like why are you bringing up serial killers and shit when we have NO reason to think there is one? That seems like something scum would do when their kill hasn't gone through.

[Venmar]

Amrun you're blowing things out of proportion... and you should seriously stop flailing shit at me like I took your favourite barbie doll. In fact, you're just flailing in general.

Confirm Vote: Amrun

[Cabd]

Sup mollie. I'm here.

[macmollie]

what is your take on things so far

[Cabd]

Did you entirely skip my reads list? 'cuz like I did that as a labor of love for you.