Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Generic]

which gen?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Mr. Flay replaces Gen_Wolf.

Vote Count 3.3

Gen_Wolf - 3 (champinoman, StubbsKVM, Miss Stranger)
StubbsKVM - 1 (Gen_Wolf)
Feel It - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 2 (Feel It, Generic)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-26 07:00:00)

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[Mr. Flay]

I'm on my phone right now so no big post, but I am at L-1 is that right? Somebody better have a GOOD case...

[StubbsKVM]

No. You better have :p

[Mr. Flay]

UNVOTE: Stubbs for great justice. My predecessor's reasons were crap.

Still rereading and still on my phone, but champoin is my first gut read for scum. Something about his D3 entrance strikes me as off.

I expect 6:1 with two Nights is a good place for a massclaim, but that's easy for me to say since Gen Wolf already claimed. If you do ends up lynching me I STRONGLY recommend doing so tomorrow.

More before midnight. Didn't realize my slot was so reviled.

[Nachomamma8]

which gen?

The wolf one.

[StubbsKVM]

I'll be on V/LA for the entire weekend. Might pop in on Sunday(but don't count on it)

[Feel It]

UNVOTE: Stubbs for great justice. My predecessor's reasons were crap.

Still rereading and still on my phone, but champoin is my first gut read for scum. Something about his D3 entrance strikes me as off.

I expect 6:1 with two Nights is a good place for a massclaim, but that's easy for me to say since Gen Wolf already claimed. If you do ends up lynching me I STRONGLY recommend doing so tomorrow.

More before midnight. Didn't realize my slot was so reviled.

Why not today?

[Generic]

unvote

When's deadlines like this replacement, want him to have a chance to have input here.

[Generic]

*when is the deadline, I like this replacement...

Also on a phone, that sentence was rushed and not in English.

Deadline is listed in every Vote Count and on the OP

-Vel

[Mr. Flay]

Why not today?

Because I work all day, went to dinner, then had Games Night until just now. Looks like I won't get to this game until morning, actually.

[Generic]

V/LA for personal issues, will update Sunday

[Miss Stranger]

Hi Flay :3
UNVOTE:

Waiting for it.

[Nachomamma8]

Feel It, you have a question waiting for you. Currently stuck on phone so i won't be able to do what i want, but will return later.

[Feel It]

No, I didn't claim.

[Mr. Flay]

So, finished my reread. My predecessor definitely had some dumb things to say (including not wanting to lynch Antagon), so if I still look like a good lynch by the end of the Day, so be it. But I think I can add value to this organization.

1. First of all,
   Nacho
   looks Town for Day One. Neither Antagon nor Nacho did anything that I would expect from bussing scum. Nothing since then strongly affects my opinion, but I hope his V/LAs get more rare from here on out, as his intermittent activity is not very helpful.
   
2. Antagon
   was simply too stupid to live so conclusions to be drawn are weak, but... aside from the Gen_Wolf_Town read he had, the only thing that sticks out to me in early Day One is his waffly love for
   Fegelein
   and Miss Stranger.
   
3. Miss Strange
   r posts a lot but generally consistent with what I would expect from newish Town. I do hope she'll stop with the grid though, it's obfuscating.
   
4. Fegelein was the first to jump to Antagon's defense when the wagon started. Oddly he gives a rundown in post 71 of everyone BUT Antagon, and votes Nacho because of (as far as I can tell) NG 1344. He reiterates his Townread on Antagon in 126. In 149 Antagon puts a pretty strong note of suspicion onto Fegelein...trying to course-correct for the defense by his buddy, maybe? I think so yes. Defends Antagon AGAIN in 219, when he's sitting at L-1. With two days left before the Day 1 deadline, Fegelein is suddenly apathetic and unable to post. Wah.
   Unfortunately he turned out to be a Townie, so nevermind.
   
5. Generic
   avoided voting or commenting on it entirely when he came in at page 2. Gets VERY defensive when Nacho start hammering on him. By post 61 he was reading Antagon as Town, but flipped near the end of Day One when he could have stayed on Nacho if he was Antagon's scumbuddy. Due to the lack of Nightkills and the strong cross-group Generic Townread I strongly suspect he's been protected by someone at least once, and therefore Town. Also I find it impossible to believe a scum would even bother posting the "is it a two man or three man team"? blunder.
   
6. Feel It
   is very keen to be seen as Town. Page 3, less than 72 hours in, he's declaring himself "one of the more involved players". Not impressed one way or another by the 'if soandso flips town' WIFOM game he's playing on pages 3 and 4. With chkflip/Fegelein dead he seems like the best candidate for scum. Self votes in 331... Wah more. His whining/analysis of the lack of Nightkills on Day Three strikes me as frustrated scum.
   
7. As I mentioned earlier,
   champinoman
   rubs me the wrong way. He doesn't seem to be reading very closely and his reads from Day One are pretty safe. However he could have pushed another direction than L-1 for Antagon in post 294. I don't see that coming from scum.
   
8. James May
   was pretty silent at first, but that seems to be from genuine lack of access/time. Starts building the Antagonwagon on page 6... then replaced by
   Stubbs
   . Stubbs removes his vote for the reread, then re-adds it when he's done. Townie Brownies. I also like his way of mentioning in 286 that people SHOULD keep James May's posts in mind when analyzing Stubbs. Scum would find it easier to ignore that or downplay any responsibility for ScumV1.0's actions.

With all of that said, I definitely feel like (heh) Feel It is the best remaining option for scumbuddy of Antagon. However I disagree with Nacho on the subject of massclaim. Another Night will probably not result in yet another No Kill, and we may lose an entire Power Role's results that way. I have Opinions about which part of the grid we're in, but I don't want to say more before we commit to the claim. If we do so, it worked well last game I played to resist popcorn and go with a Scummiest-to-Towniest massclaim. Condorcet (preferential) voting works well for this and forces everyone to take a stand on everyone else left alive, something we could also use at this point.

VOTE: Feel It

Also, the softclaiming in this game has GOT to stop, if we're not massclaiming.

[champinoman]

Sorry everyone, busy weekend got the better of me. Managed to log in a few times but never got the chance to stay long enough to post.

Welcome Mr. Flay

If we do so, it worked well last game I played to resist popcorn and go with a Scummiest-to-Towniest massclaim. Condorcet (preferential) voting works well for this and forces everyone to take a stand on everyone else left alive, something we could also use at this point.

I'm going to be completely honest and say I have no idea what you just said Any chance of another explanation?

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah sorry, it was late and I was trying to wrap that megapost up.

"If we go with massclaim, I suggest we avoid the popcorn method (one player claims, then picks the next person to claim, and so on) and instead claim in order of decreasing scumminess. You determine who is scummiest by having everyone list the other living players from scummiest to towniest (ties allowed), and a Condorcet matrix tells you who is the worst. Then you just go down the line from there. This avoids scum having any real control over the order, in case they want to see if X really is the JK first, etc."

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=621 shows how it worked last time - one scum came up top on the list, stalled for a bit, then claimed VT. Other scum was second on the list, in fact, which I had just noticed.

[Miss Stranger]

Good idea. Let's do that.

[SCUMMIEST] Feel It > Nacho > champino > Stubbs > Generic [TOWNIEST]

Gen_Wolf/Flay already claimed VT.

[Generic]

My order is:
Scummiest -

Stubbs
Gen wolf/mr flay
Feel it
Nacho
Champ
Miss stranger

- Towniest

[champinoman]

Well this game needs a kick up the ass so maybe a mass claim is a good idea. But if we are going to do it then we need to get a move on.

In order from scummiest to most town:

Mr. Flay (albeit as a result of Gen_Wolf)
Feel It
Nacho
Stubbs
Miss Stranger
Generic

[Mr. Flay]

[SCUMMIEST]
Feel It
champinoman
Stubbs | Miss Stranger
Nachomamma
Generic
[TOWNIEST]

[Generic]

To save us some time feel it is top three of everyone's.
Me flay is low down too on most thanks to gen wolf and then Stubbs.
Then it's either nacho or champ then miss stranger or me.

So I propose a claim order of:

Feel it
Mr flay
Stubbs
Nacho
Champino
Generic
Miss stranger

Anyone object?

I didn't put me last as I hate having universal trust because I want to still prove I have nothing to hide. Basically a lot of pressure being cleared as town to keep driving pro town moves forwards. I would happily go first but that wasnt the plan.

[Generic]

Deadline is when? Tuesday it seems by looking at that last vote count posted Friday.

So lets get active here. If feel it or Stubbs don't post today we need to consider lynching one of them to either win now or implement this plan tomorrow instead.

[champinoman]

Deadline is 4 days from now so we have time. That post you are looking at has a dynamic countdown in it that refreshes whenever you reload the page.

I think we should generate the order in the manner that Flay suggested. It's fairer that way. All 3 people who haven't given their order yet are due on within the next 12 hours anyway.

As long as nobody deliberately stalls then we should be fine.

I suggest everyone who needs to should prepare their claim so that time is no excuse. No need to stall this out any longer than needed.