Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

[notscience]

Read the dead QT for lols

[rmpeacoc]

Laughing so hard at the dead QT... Notscience says I scumslipped... not a scum slip when I'm not scum. Try getting in my head as town next time!

[rmpeacoc]

somehow in every game people think I'm scum but don't lynch me. I've never been scum before on this site, btw.

[notscience]

I was almosg positive you wrre scum until the mod said you werent. Your whole NQT.thing and not voting eavh other was bad (as pitoli said)

The post I referenced made it seem you had outside info

And your reaction to my reads was bad too

Town should try to look like town sooo :p

[notscience]

That said, Jerry and NQT did a good job.

[rmpeacoc]

I don't think I did anything wrong, I just think people always think I'm scum. But guess what, i rarely get voted for it. I can usually pull myself out of that shit. When there is a ML I see nothing wrong with being lynched. of course I'd never self vote, but if I was hurting the town and they really didn't see me as townie they could have lynched me, easy.

Here's my issue. When you're not confirmed town, why would you EVER stick to your reads like that. That was really the biggest problem I had with NQT. and then Jerry.... I was just like... there is no way. The way I ISO'd the teams really opened my own eyes. Maybe Flay saw them as just observations... in a way they were, but it helped me figure out who i could see as a team. after I was able to rule out a Flay/NQT team I pushed really hard for a Jerry lynch because he was pretty much confirmed scum in my eyes. I was super nervous when I hammered NQT.

[rmpeacoc]

Pitoli in the dead QT: "But yeah I agree obv that RMP knows everyone's alignments."

I was over here fighting with myself over who the fuck the scum was... before I figured out that it definitely wasn't Flay.

[notquitethere]

I woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids! Well I learned some things. Letting the doc have a second save was our biggest mistake in general, but also obviously not doing any substantial scum hunting was a big mistake. Xiao et al. were completely wrong about the metaphoricals being a scum slip (especially Flay thinking I was a roleblocker!)

[notscience]

It was the wau they were asked. They were very rolefishy. Plus, just vecause you dont see it as a scumslip doesnt meam it wasnr.

Your hammer is what screwed you over though.

[notquitethere]

They might have seemed that way but I can assure you that I had no intention of fishing for roles. I was actually just creating content and activity without needing to put any thought into it. To be fair, I've been accused of rolefishing before when playing as town so that's probably something I should work with.

[rmpeacoc]

I do think they hypotheticals can help as a townie... what did it for me was the way he was so sure i was town like Kattaze was sure as well but at lease he was confirmed.

and the hammer... meh.

[Mr. Flay]

They might have seemed that way but I can assure you that I had no intention of fishing for roles. I was actually just creating content and activity without needing to put any thought into it. To be fair, I've been accused of rolefishing before when playing as town so that's probably something I should work with.

It doesn't matter what you think you were doing it for. Subconsciously scum need to find out who the PRs are. And we caught you doing it. Town has NO reason to role fish in the early game. Even me being wrong about which of you had the role doesn't matter, because the Goon's job is to put his neck out if necessary to shield his PR.

That said, the first hammer was not a big problem. It was the lack of hammer on Jerry that sealed your fate. TownNQT knows NQT is a mislynch and a loss, so you should have been willing to lynch someone, anyone else at deadline. That also screwed Jerry the next Day.

All of that said, you guys started off strong, even with the Doc save. I'll make a more complete writeup on play later.

[Xiao Long]

Jerry essentially self-lynching himself was depressing. Sure, we won, but geeze. =/

[Salt n Pepper]

GG to everybody!!

NQT and Jerry, thought you did a fabulous job! You somehow coasted on my null/scum side of reads while there were scummier-looking people in the game to get lynched. I really didn't start suspecting NQT till I died.

That being said, I'm grateful to town for pulling through. Obviously even in the middle of Day 4 I had the wrong idea about who NQT's partner was, so I'm glad I wasn't around in the endgame situation.

[pitoli]

GG to everybody!!

NQT and Jerry, thought you did a fabulous job! You somehow coasted on my null/scum side of reads while there were scummier-looking people in the game to get lynched. I really didn't start suspecting NQT till I died.

That being said, I'm grateful to town for pulling through. Obviously even in the middle of Day 4 I had the wrong idea about who NQT's partner was, so I'm glad I wasn't around in the endgame situation.

Hydra-slipped.

[JerryArr]

Mafia QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/555595ZQfrM.

Apologies to rmpeacoc and Kattaze for misgendering you two. I'm usually good with that kind of thing, so for me to do that was disappointing for me.

Remember when people told ME not to roll over and die? That's what you did.

Jerry essentially self-lynching himself was depressing. Sure, we won, but geeze. =/

If I had found any real scum evidence that RMP was scum, I don't think I would have self-voted. As it was, though, RMP played pretty well late in the game (and it seemed like her play was less scummy later in each day as opposed to earlier), plus I was a bit intimidated by Flay saying I had one chance for rebuttal, so I felt that it would be needless to drag the game out.

I understood that your breadcrumb meant you were vanilla. What I didn't understand was WHY ON EARTH you did it. There's no reason to breadcrumb VT like that unless you are scum.

Yeah. I think that was more motivated by wanting to breadcrumb just to do it.

Where you really failed in my opinion was buddying Flay. You only left yourself one out. You had to fight me for the lynch, and I wasn't giving up. If you'd left both options open you could have saved yourself.

This. After I latched on to Flay (no surprise, I didn't actually ISO NQT when I said I did), and NQT hammered notscience (who I think deserved better), I was pretty much stuck to NQT.

All of that said, you guys started off strong, even with the Doc save.

I thought Day 1 was my weakest day (other than Day 5, but yeah), although I think NQT did well then. The Doc save (and really, the no lynch, since lor was our roleblock target, and there's a nonzero chance we would have blocked Katt if lor was lynched) did help the town quite a bit, and Katt played a great game.

Finally, reading the dead QT, I'm glad I'm not alone in how obvscum NQT was.

[JerryArr]

Also notscience...

Flay- Overall he's done pretty pro-town things. Katta's idea or whoever it was that he was scum also seemed

farfetch'd

. Another thing- Either he is a town cleaned by pitoli, or rm is scum convicted. I'll say that in both and will provide proof of Flay's if you want it.

Yessssss

[pitoli]

Justifications on my play:

This being my first town-alignment game, I was pleasantly surprised that my play seemed to be transparent enough to get townread by everyone. But then my surprise led to complete unease as I realized that as Cop, you don't want to be near-universally townread. I also had no idea how to breadcrumb my role or my investigations subtly - can someone explain this to me?

I know it's weird that I investigated who I did, but I was going for people who I thought could competently lead town in an endgame situation. For some reason I saw both Xiao and Flay surviving till then. After we lynched Lortaku, I got weirdly paranoid of Flay and decided I HAD to know whether we were the same alignment going into the next day otherwise cooperation would be impossible.

[pitoli]

Also I was really impressed by the strategizing in Mafia QT!!

[pitoli]

Is a scum self-vote common in Newbie endgame situations? The other town game I completed, Newbie 1379, saw the last remaining scum (Sakura Hana) self-vote. Only, it didn't get her lynched right away - it got another player to think she was town!

Two very different scenarios I guess.

[notscience]

I can never grust pitoli after newbie 1354

[pitoli]

What, you didn't trust me in this game? Come on now.

[notscience]

Only after your,flip

I was so sure you were town that game but nooooo

[Xiao Long]

Justifications on my play:

This being my first town-alignment game, I was pleasantly surprised that my play seemed to be transparent enough to get townread by everyone. But then my surprise led to complete unease as I realized that as Cop, you don't want to be near-universally townread. I also had no idea how to breadcrumb my role or my investigations subtly - can someone explain this to me?

I know it's weird that I investigated who I did, but I was going for people who I thought could competently lead town in an endgame situation. For some reason I saw both Xiao and Flay surviving till then. After we lynched Lortaku, I got weirdly paranoid of Flay and decided I HAD to know whether we were the same alignment going into the next day otherwise cooperation would be impossible.

I actually think you made some good decisions with your investigations. I would have investigated either myself or Rmp D1, most likely myself since I was extremely stubborn.

NQT

Something I wanted to say about Xiao: I strongly suspect his town-play is of the righteous townie model: he can't see why anyone innocent would vote for him. As soon as I stepped off his case he stopped thinking I was scum. This attitude hopefully will lead him to mislynch more players, but we should probably night kill him before lylo.

If we ever play together again, don't take what I say at face value, and always assume I'm lying. ;D
But you and Jerry did a good job of not seeming like partners. Even though I was certain you were scum for most of the game, I was thinking Rmp was more likely to be your partner than Jerry.

[kuribo]

@Mr Flay (or anyone for that matter) Could you link me to a good template for playing Mafia?
I have one I got somewhere, but it's kinda lacking. It'd really help to keep games separate, and to not lose track of things.
Thanks in advance

Woo Hoo! I was just reading some of Kuribo's templates for posting in Mafia Discussion! That'd be a wild play style to try! I don't think I could keep it up for a whole game though!

APOLOGIES for fluff, I'll stop now

It's actually a very stressful way to play