It makes it appear as though they are having conversations about their reads on people, so that we will think they are legitimate.In post 3422, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:How is hydra dissonance even a town read? Why would they feel the need to fabricate it? Has anyone even townread them because of hydra dissonance?
So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?In post 3425, Zdenek wrote:It makes it appear as though they are having conversations about their reads on people, so that we will think they are legitimate.In post 3422, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:How is hydra dissonance even a town read? Why would they feel the need to fabricate it? Has anyone even townread them because of hydra dissonance?
The misread here is beyond improbable.In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?In post 3425, Zdenek wrote:It makes it appear as though they are having conversations about their reads on people, so that we will think they are legitimate.In post 3422, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:How is hydra dissonance even a town read? Why would they feel the need to fabricate it? Has anyone even townread them because of hydra dissonance?
Bump Zdenek out of Null/Town. There's no way he's this obtuse.
-Bulba
The reads you fool.In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?
So, the fact that we have a varying opinions on a few of our reads and we decided to instead of making 2 totally separate lists, we decide to combine reads and even make a note of BOTH OUR thoughts on the reads that are DIFFERENT on the list... Makes it "fake hydra dissonance" and the reads themselves "fake"?In post 3428, Zdenek wrote:The reads you fool.In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?
Nope. It's exactly the one read that I think you have pretended to disagree on.In post 3429, BulbaFenix wrote:So, the fact that we have a varying opinions on a few of our reads and we decided to instead of making 2 totally separate lists, we decide to combine reads and even make a note of BOTH OUR thoughts on the reads that are DIFFERENT on the list... Makes it "fake hydra dissonance" and the reads themselves "fake"?In post 3428, Zdenek wrote:The reads you fool.In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?
-Fenix
In post 3405, Zdenek wrote:Why didn't you even present the case that you used to convince Bulba to let you off the leash in the thread at the start of the day?
When Bulba head comes back, he can give you the whole she-bang scoop on how much I've poked the hell and bugged him about Serene being scum (I told him, if Serene turns out to be scum, I WILL hold it over him for the rest of his mafia scum life). I STILL don't trust Serene either. As for this...Zdenek wrote:Nope. It's exactly the one read that I think you have pretended to disagree on.In post 3429, BulbaFenix wrote:So, the fact that we have a varying opinions on a few of our reads and we decided to instead of making 2 totally separate lists, we decide to combine reads and even make a note of BOTH OUR thoughts on the reads that are DIFFERENT on the list... Makes it "fake hydra dissonance" and the reads themselves "fake"?In post 3428, Zdenek wrote:The reads you fool.In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?
-Fenix
I pestered him with the same things over and over and over again. The anti-town behavior, the claim of townie mason/neighbors that I thought was fake from Serene to protect his mafia partner Dramonic, Dramonic being lurky and not doing a damn thing from the start. Add to the fact that since everyone seemed to just prattle along after the claim with oh! His claim is legit!! Moving on now. No reason to keep looking this way, bugged the hell out of me... Taking something like that at face value is something I refuse to do with all that other evidence resting in the back of my mind. Cop/Doc claim is the ONLY thing I could consider to take at face value and even then, I would be watching the cop/doc as the game went forward IF they lived longer than the usual time between their claim time and their death time (usually, a cop will last a night or 2 before they die from the mafia lynching them). The claim has gotten Serene/Dramonic a free pass from Bulba, but not ME. I understand that this is a normal game set up and there wouldn't be "bastard" roles (mafia/townie mason, insane cop, etc.). BUT, from my experience in other games not on this site, that sort of set up can happen and is considered normal TO ME.In post 3431, Zdenek wrote:This needs answering:In post 3405, Zdenek wrote:Why didn't you even present the case that you used to convince Bulba to let you off the leash in the thread at the start of the day?
It was mostly a discussion of prior games. I have been looking for reasons to think you aren't scum. Syr has been shooting them down pretty effectively.In post 3417, BulbaFenix wrote:Then you must have some good reasons. I'd like a condensed case please.In post 3409, Rift Adrift wrote: Syr and I have spent a ridiculous amount of time discussing BulbaFenix. We both think he's scum and we don't want his wagon to fade.
ftr Syr and I find the intra-hydra interactions pretty odd, too, unless Fenix is really uncomfortable/inexperienced as scum.This is our first time in a hydra, and as a result, the hydra is teething. Apparently, I don't play well with others. We're working on it.In post 3412, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I do not think that anybody would genuinely talk down to their partner in-thread like that.
What scum games do you feel are more typical of your play?Syr has been in 2 completed games where I was town. In Voided, DGB was starting to wear me down when Syr replaced in. By the middle of d3, I had accepted that I was going to die, and I decided that I would take DGB, who I thought was scum, down with me and began trolling the crap out of them. In Jungle Republic, I was beginning to suffer from burnout and was apathetic for the entire game. Several people who had played with me before in that game noted that I was not playing to my usual standards. If Syr is using that as a basis for my play here, he has a bad sample to work with.In post 3413, Rift Adrift wrote:Syr has played with town-Bulbazak. He's seeing some major differences in this game.
-Bulba
In post 3433, Zdenek wrote:You realize that doesn't answer my question right?
No... No... The horse he's been riding is one of those quarter insert horses. He keeps thinking that the thing is running on one quarter. But, in reality, it's his own delusion because he's locked in the padded room of the local Looney Bin, rocking himself back and forth in a straight jacket singing "Wanted Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi.BulbaFenix wrote:We answered your question a long time ago. You just haven't been listening. That horse you're riding is not only dead, but it is a pile of bones laying in the desert, and you're the crazy hobo hopping around, talking to yourself, and thinking that sand dune in the distance is a windmill/giant.
-Bulba
It depends on the people in the town. Those in this town are more than happy to go after illusionary tells, and refuse to listen when told they are wrong and why they are wrong. As for me, a simple meta search would show you that I tend to be wagoned a lot, and while I can shift the momentum when necessary, it requires a level headed town as well. If you'll notice, the wagon on us didn't really start soaring until we replaced in and actually started pressuring people. I think the main complaint is "Bulba's being means to people.", when in reality I'm trying to pressure them to get information. This town does not want to scum hunt, and when somebody actually tries to nail scum's feet to the floor, the wagon on that suspect either disappears, or they attack the person because he was pressuring the person he thought was scummy. So don't pull that, "You could have gotten the wagon off of you." crap, because it is a two way streak that requires a town willing to find scum.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: I've also revisited the Donner party thread, thinking about our interactions, particularly the subtle AtE on the final day. In that game you were never under pressure. In this one, you've been under pressure since you first posted because of your predecessor, and while that's an unfortunate situation no matter what your alignments, I've seen people turn scummier-looking town slots around quite easily, and have done so myself. I think town-bulbafenix would manage it.
Fenix is scary as scum and can argue me into a standstill. We just have different philosophies, site meta, and playstyles. I don't think it's strange at all to see a clash.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: ftr Syr and I find the intra-hydra interactions pretty odd, too, unless Fenix is really uncomfortable/inexperienced as scum.
This is a loaded question, and as such, I will not be answering it. You seem to have already reached the conclusion that we are scum and are twisting data to fit that conclusion. If you want actual meta, just ask me, or even search for it yourself. I have 6 town games and 2 scum games on site. Most of Fenix's experience is off site.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: What scum games do you feel are more typical of your play?
If you think we are scum, why does it matter when we get lynched?In post 3441, Cephrir wrote:no, lynch in a few hours please
Where the hell is DGB when I want her to quote her sig
ok. how about games more representative of town-you than the games syr played with you?In post 3437, BulbaFenix wrote:It depends on the people in the town. Those in this town are more than happy to go after illusionary tells, and refuse to listen when told they are wrong and why they are wrong. As for me, a simple meta search would show you that I tend to be wagoned a lot, and while I can shift the momentum when necessary, it requires a level headed town as well. If you'll notice, the wagon on us didn't really start soaring until we replaced in and actually started pressuring people. I think the main complaint is "Bulba's being means to people.", when in reality I'm trying to pressure them to get information. This town does not want to scum hunt, and when somebody actually tries to nail scum's feet to the floor, the wagon on that suspect either disappears, or they attack the person because he was pressuring the person he thought was scummy. So don't pull that, "You could have gotten the wagon off of you." crap, because it is a two way streak that requires a town willing to find scum.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: I've also revisited the Donner party thread, thinking about our interactions, particularly the subtle AtE on the final day. In that game you were never under pressure. In this one, you've been under pressure since you first posted because of your predecessor, and while that's an unfortunate situation no matter what your alignments, I've seen people turn scummier-looking town slots around quite easily, and have done so myself. I think town-bulbafenix would manage it.
Fenix is scary as scum and can argue me into a standstill. We just have different philosophies, site meta, and playstyles. I don't think it's strange at all to see a clash.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: ftr Syr and I find the intra-hydra interactions pretty odd, too, unless Fenix is really uncomfortable/inexperienced as scum.
This is a loaded question, and as such, I will not be answering it. You seem to have already reached the conclusion that we are scum and are twisting data to fit that conclusion. If you want actual meta, just ask me, or even search for it yourself. I have 6 town games and 2 scum games on site. Most of Fenix's experience is off site.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: What scum games do you feel are more typical of your play?
-Bulba
In post 3445, fferyllt wrote:ok. how about games more representative of town-you than the games syr played with you?In post 3437, BulbaFenix wrote:It depends on the people in the town. Those in this town are more than happy to go after illusionary tells, and refuse to listen when told they are wrong and why they are wrong. As for me, a simple meta search would show you that I tend to be wagoned a lot, and while I can shift the momentum when necessary, it requires a level headed town as well. If you'll notice, the wagon on us didn't really start soaring until we replaced in and actually started pressuring people. I think the main complaint is "Bulba's being means to people.", when in reality I'm trying to pressure them to get information. This town does not want to scum hunt, and when somebody actually tries to nail scum's feet to the floor, the wagon on that suspect either disappears, or they attack the person because he was pressuring the person he thought was scummy. So don't pull that, "You could have gotten the wagon off of you." crap, because it is a two way streak that requires a town willing to find scum.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: I've also revisited the Donner party thread, thinking about our interactions, particularly the subtle AtE on the final day. In that game you were never under pressure. In this one, you've been under pressure since you first posted because of your predecessor, and while that's an unfortunate situation no matter what your alignments, I've seen people turn scummier-looking town slots around quite easily, and have done so myself. I think town-bulbafenix would manage it.
Fenix is scary as scum and can argue me into a standstill. We just have different philosophies, site meta, and playstyles. I don't think it's strange at all to see a clash.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: ftr Syr and I find the intra-hydra interactions pretty odd, too, unless Fenix is really uncomfortable/inexperienced as scum.
This is a loaded question, and as such, I will not be answering it. You seem to have already reached the conclusion that we are scum and are twisting data to fit that conclusion. If you want actual meta, just ask me, or even search for it yourself. I have 6 town games and 2 scum games on site. Most of Fenix's experience is off site.In post 3435, Rift Adrift wrote: What scum games do you feel are more typical of your play?
-Bulba
I hate mislynches. I put a lot of effort into trying to avoid them. hence my back and forth re your slot.