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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:51 pm

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Well I'd honestly hesitate if a person whose alignment I didn't know started throwing out numbers. But you know I'm town and therefor have 0 reason to doctor the numbers, so yes!

I'd prefer to hear from Gen and N64 before doing so, however. Maybe N64 won't give us a passive aggressive
N64 wrote:Sorry, I prioritized an out of state concert over a forum game with people whom existential theory dictates may or may not exist.
(guess what, the days of diving rlpeople and interwebs people are over)

and Gen will post rather than apologize and tell us he'll post later, but my hopes are low. They seem to have headed for the hills and avoided talking about that hammer attempt on TIP.
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:53 pm

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Hrm...
just the tIP
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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:36 pm

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jmo16mla has been prodded.
....what?



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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:43 pm

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:igmeou:
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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:45 pm

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Good to see you back, jmo. Frustrated, I see.
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:57 pm

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In post 900, Tamuz wrote:Wow! Great detail there TIP!
Way to take really take a stance on everyone and provide solid explanations. I loved the part where you didn't mention any non-sequitors and other games and really hammered down details. That was a great and informative post!

To details. You and jmo is TvT. You and I are TvT. N64 feels town and Gen_Wolf has been downgraded to null.

Boy, you stuck your neck out and said something with that post.

Die cis scum.
Why didnt you vote him here?
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:27 pm

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I was still emotional. I still wanted his reasons. Do you think voting TIP would get him to actually articulate his thoughts? I don't. Empirical data supports that. Clearly I don't give a fuck about TIP's reasons anymore because of the conditional alignments of us given him or I would still be mocking him for them.

I may harangue and bitch and abuse, but I am not flippant with my vote, I prefer using the threat of voting to get information to actually voting.
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:53 pm

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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:03 pm

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I'm on tenterhooks.
9:00 AM :( drearies in Johannesland.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:11 pm

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Cool, sorry for the delay, I had a life to live and now have time for mafia.
In post 920, jmo16mla wrote:Mk. To add to the above post. Either both scum are on the wagon right now.
One scum is BEING waggoned and the other is voting him.
One scum is being waggoned, and the other scum is not voting him.

I still want to go with TIP an gen scum team. The whole game sets them up as scum together. Gen was dropping town tells, or what I thought could have been town tells earlier.
But he has since ignored my questions multiple times.
Leading me to believe that he isn't actually reading the game(scum) and is just posting about current discussion.
I answered them, you just didn't get the answer you wanted to hear. However, if I have missed one please do point me to the post number and I will be happy to answer it.
In post 938, Tamuz wrote:For quick reference:
Gen_wolf:
Tamuz wrote:
Guys, at some point we are going to have to lynch, I hate losing so I hope you are right but I think Tamuz has the most compelling case. I am willing to vote TiP today, lets hope you right.
1. What?
2. You hope TIP is right about his claim?
jmo16mla wrote: 1. So my question for you gen, what over the last four pages, makes me and/or tip scum?
2. Also, what made you vote me when I was voting for TIP?
3. Why dd you unvote if he was in no danger of being quick hammered?
4. Do you think TIP is now town?
Gen_Wolf wrote:Oaks im going to be v/la till Sunday. Apologies but we have 8 days so no need to panic. Thanks

Hard post to write or something? Enjoy your weekend!
Nah, had to get back to uni and it is quite a drive I might add. However, if you'd like to believe it was a hard post to write, go ahead and add it to those numbers you have made.
In post 941, Tamuz wrote:So it is generally accepted that the L-2 vote is scummy, so lets look at L-2 votes (and L-1 votes because why not). Obviously I won't count today.

SlotL-2L-1Hammer
jmo010
N64lord910
tybalt000
Tamuz110
TheIrishPope001
Greywing001
Honey Bee100
mothrax200
Gen_wolf200


Presented without analysis.

My work if you want to track the votes yourself.
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Code: Select all

jmo16mla votes Honey bee. Votes change: 0 to 1
Malakittens&TheIrishPope vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 0 to 1
Greywing votes Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri. Votes change: 0 to 1
mothrax&GuyInFreezer vote tybalt. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 0 to 1
Greywing votes Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 0 to 1
jmo16mla votes Greywing. Votes change: 1 to 2
Honey bee votes Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord unvote
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri vote mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 0 to 1
tybalt votes ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf. Votes change: 0 to 1
Malakittens&TheIrishPope unvote
mothrax&GuyInFreezer vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
jmo16mla votes ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf. Votes change: 1 to 2
Greywing votes Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord. Votes change: 0 to 1
Malakittens&TheIrishPope vote tybalt. Votes change: 0 to 1
Honey bee votes tybalt. Votes change: 1 to 2
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf. Votes change: 2 to 3
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord. Votes change: 1 to 2
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 0 to 1
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri unvote
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord unvote
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
Greywing votes Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord. Votes change: 1 to 2
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf. Votes change: 2 to 3
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord unvote
tybalt votes jmo16mla. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf unvote
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 1 to 2
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord unvote
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 2 to 3
tybalt votes Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
jmo16mla votes Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote tybalt. Votes change: 2 to 3
mothrax&GuyInFreezer vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 2 to 3
jmo16mla votes mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 2 to 3
Greywing votes mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 1 to 2
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 3 to 4
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote tybalt. Votes change: 2 to 3
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf unvote
jmo16mla votes tybalt. Votes change: 3 to 4
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 2 to 3
Greywing votes tybalt. Votes change: 4 to 5

tybalt has been lynched

Lynch Vote Count:
tybalt	-	jmo16mla,Honey bee,Greywing,Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord,Malakittens&TheIrishPope	Total: 5
Honey bee	-		Total: 0
Greywing	-	tybalt,Honey bee	Total: 2
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri	-		Total: 0
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf	-		Total: 0
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord	-	Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord	Total: 1
mothrax&GuyInFreezer	-	jmo16mla,Greywing	Total: 2
Malakittens&TheIrishPope	-		Total: 0
jmo16mla	-	Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri,ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf,mothrax&GuyInFreezer	Total: 3

Greywing votes Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord. Votes change: 0 to 1
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote Greywing. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 1 to 2
jmo16mla votes mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 0 to 1
Greywing votes mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 1 to 2
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote mothrax&GuyInFreezer. Votes change: 2 to 3
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf. Votes change: 0 to 1
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 0 to 1
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf unvote
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote Greywing. Votes change: 1 to 2
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord unvote
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri. Votes change: 0 to 1
jmo16mla votes Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri. Votes change: 1 to 2
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Greywing. Votes change: 2 to 3
Malakittens&TheIrishPope vote Greywing. Votes change: 3 to 4

Greywing has been lynched

Lynch Vote Count:
Greywing	-	Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri,ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf,Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord,Malakittens&TheIrishPope	Total: 4
Tamuz&Hyperion&Fropome&uoyeluri	-	jmo16mla	Total: 1
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf	-		Total: 0
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord	-		Total: 0
mothrax&GuyInFreezer	-	Greywing	Total: 1

Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 0 to 1
jmo16mla votes Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 0 to 1
jmo16mla unvotes
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote jmo16mla. Votes change: 1 to 2
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf unvote
jmo16mla unvotes
Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord vote Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 0 to 1
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf vote Malakittens&TheIrishPope. Votes change: 1 to 2
ThaneArvan&Gen_Wolf unvote

Vote Count:
jmo16mla	-		Total: 0
Malakittens&TheIrishPope	-	Luigilewis889&talah&N64Lord	Total: 1

Thats a lot of L-2 from N64. If these numbers are perfect then why do we play the game? It is very easy to go out and throw numbers around, but in instances, like this, numbers cannot always answer your problems Tamuz. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Anyways, my thoughts up until this point (This is my first sweep, I will get back now and do the next one). What is frustrating me is this attitude between Tamuz and JMO that they are accepted townies and now we must all adhere to what they say, when they say jump we jump, inevitably we do not know if they are town or scum and thus I think this 'know it all, we are town' attitude they got going is complete bullshit.

N64, TIP and myself must now run around and do whatever they say. I think what frustrates me is that very likely one is definitely town, maybe even both. However, the fact they have now buddied up as 'town buddies' gives an easy opportunity for one of them to be scum and skate home free. Remember this is mafia and anyone could be scum.

Anyways, I will go back and read over N64, TIP, and JMO and see if anything stands out. However, you already seem very set on lynching me so just to make life easier for all of us I am VT. I feel scum is JMO, TIP, N64. However, this information is useless as if you lynch me the game will end.
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:41 am

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Or we are both town and you're scum.
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:18 am

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In post 960, jmo16mla wrote:Or we are both town and you're scum.
That's what you feel. You obviously wont change your mind but I am just hoping Tamuz has some sense to reconsider.
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:07 am

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In post 959, Gen_Wolf wrote:I feel scum is JMO, TIP, N64. However, this information is useless as if you lynch me the game will end.
Given there are two scum, decide. It's like me saying "there's two scum between Tamuz and jmo and Gen and N64." Doesn't help Town. Your Appeal to Fear also doesn't help Town.
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:00 am

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N64Lord has been prodded.
....what?



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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:34 am

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Thats a lot of L-2 from N64.
N64's slot, but it was all talah, ofc.
Gen_Wolf wrote:However, if I have missed one please do point me to the post number and I will be happy to answer it.
Did you say this before quoting a post full of questions that you ignored ironically or was that unironically?

You still need to address this post.
However, if you'd like to believe it was a hard post to write, go ahead and add it to those numbers you have made.
It did only take you 6 days with 3 excuses to write a post that ultimately was complaining, hypocrisy and solipsism. So I do believe making a good post was difficult for you, since you made a bad post, lets go to that!
Thats a lot of L-2 from N64. If these numbers are perfect then why do we play the game? It is very easy to go out and throw numbers around, but in instances, like this, numbers cannot always answer your problems Tamuz. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Thank you for the support backing up your assertion. I will give up ever quantifying anything because its possible that the thing quantified is not a good indicator. Also other than the .40% scum or the 2/3 scum numbers numbers are
not
easy to throw around or you would see everyone doing it. Instead its just me and, once upon a time, Adel.
What is frustrating me is this attitude between Tamuz and JMO that they are accepted townies and now we must all adhere to what they say, when they say jump we jump, inevitably we do not know if they are town or scum and thus I think this 'know it all, we are town' attitude they got going is complete bullshit.
We didn't just magic ourselves into 'town-reads'. We legitimately read, poked, prodded and in jmo's case gambitted in order to get ideas of alignment. We're actually scumhunting. If you think poking and prodding is telling you to jump and expecting you to jump (which you don't do) then whatever. You are perfectly welcome to take a tangent that we haven't talked about or directed for information on and scum hunt down that tangent. But really you haven't done that. You limped on to my vitriol of TIP, ignored buttloads of things directed to you and whined that jmo and I are the ones pushing the town.
However, the fact they have now buddied up as 'town buddies' gives an easy opportunity for one of them to be scum and skate home free. Remember this is mafia and anyone could be scum.
Because the vetting process wasn't difficult at all or anything. Remember this is day 3 of mafia and everyone has their own unique probability distribution of who they believe is mafia. Anyone could be scum, but the likelihood of everyone being scum will not be the same.

And to the hypocrisy:
Anyways, I will go back and read over N64, TIP, and JMO and see if anything stands out. However, you already seem very set on lynching me so just to make life easier for all of us I am VT. I feel scum is JMO, TIP, N64. However, this information is useless as if you lynch me the game will end.
You whine so much that there is this town--pair of Tamuz and JMO and then you just try to make a latent partnership with me, lol.

Also how does you claiming VT make anything easier on us?
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:52 am

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Tamuz, can we reach a conclusion soon?
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:03 am

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If we got activity from all of our slots it would be faster, but we get afk and avoidance which may or may not be on purpose.
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I agree that this LyLo could use more activity, but still, we should end this soon. Gut feeling, who would you vote for? Now, regarding numbers, who would you vote for?
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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:11 am

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Gen. Gen.
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 am

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Then, why aren't we voting Gen? I've expressed my desire to lynch him, you've expressed your desire to lynch him, jmo would without a doubt; I just feel we're dragging this unnecessarily.
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:12 pm

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Because N64 hasn't posting in 3-4 days and has a fair amount of outstanding stuff that he needs to talk on, as does Gen.

Hurrying is not very townie.
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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:15 pm

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I'd say hurrying is not indicative of alignment due to the fact that we're going nowhere with numbers and discussion. We need pressure.
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:20 pm

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Generally caught-scum want to speed the day up and cut discussion so that finding scum #2 is harder.
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:22 pm

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How does that statement concern me?
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:35 pm

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You still have added 0 scumhunting to today and now you're trying to goad me into moving and voting more quickly than I am.
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