Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Generic]

Cool, so still got four days.

Agree with the champ. Hear from all since we have longer than I thought.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 3.4

Mr. Flay - 2 (champinoman, StubbsKVM)
Feel It - 2 (Nachomamma8, Mr. Flay)

Not Voting - 3 (Feel It, Generic, Miss Stranger)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-26 07:00:00)

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[Mr. Flay]

I suggest everyone who needs to should prepare their claim so that time is no excuse.

What is there to 'prepare'? You read your role PM and decide how many words need to be said (hint: it's probably a max of two).

Only scum will need time to prepare.

[Miss Stranger]

I think he meant "prepare to claim in advance instead of going afk and stalling the game".

[StubbsKVM]

To be honest my vote on stubbs was reaction testing, he has been fine

, he was even the first to refuse the mass claim idea as he stated.

I still like the idea of a mass claim, but champion made some good points of concern, and stubbs simply wasn't happy to do it.

unvote

But gen wolf you were opportunistic there. Im not flip flopping votes at this stage but you are a prime candidate for my vote right now.


And back to the nacho discussion. Champ, you make a good point about a late analysis post, its not well placed at the end when we have already got a lynch choice in sight. He is most definitely one I gave a clearance to based purely on seeming to be an active scum hunter.

He was late to the antagon vote... hmmm...

My order is:
Scummiest -

Stubbs

Gen wolf/mr flay
Feel it
Nacho
Champ
Miss stranger

- Towniest

Generic? First you vote me, when I call you out for it, you say it's a reaction test and that I've been fine. And now you put me at the top of your scumlist? What the hell are you doing?

[StubbsKVM]

I'm still not convinced massclaim is a good idea, but if everybody wants it...well I don't really have a choice, do I?

Scum

Mr Flay
Feel It
Champino
Generic
Nacho
Miss Stranger

Town

I'm sorry Mr Flay. Your predecessor has ruined your slot for me. You can say whatever you want basically. There's no way I'll ever trust you enough to keep you around for long.

[Mr. Flay]

On my phone: I understand I've got a rope in my face. And we can still debate a bit about massclaim, but the lists are valuable either way and we only have 3+ days left. I do want to hear if Nacho is still opposed.

[Generic]

Forgot you had redeemed yourself with your defence Stubbs.

Meh, it wasnt a vote, man up and be prepared to claim. I'm only human, and I'm old

[Feel It]

I've been busy. Does everyone want me to claim?

[champinoman]

I've been busy. Does everyone want me to claim?

No, don't claim.

Order everyone in order from scummiest to town. Then after we have compiled a list people will claim in order starting at the person people consider the most scum.

[champinoman]

And it appears this game is the lowest on Nacho's list of priorities. He has been VERY over the last 7 hours but hasn't found the time to post in here.

UNVOTE: Mr. Flay

VOTE: Nachomamma

I've had enough.

[champinoman]

EBWOP: "He has been VERY

active

over the last..."

[Feel It]

Scum

Mr Flay
StubbsKVM
Nacho
Champino
Generic
Miss Stranger

Town

I'm surprised I've scored so high on everybody's list, some weird sheeping going on.

[Miss Stranger]

We're only asking for claims, Feel It, nothing serious.

[Feel It]

I'm just a vanilla townie.

[champinoman]

Posts by Nachomamma in other threads over the last 9 hours: 56
Posts by Nachomamma in this thread during the same time: 0

And for interest:
Posts by Nachomamma in this thread since the game began: 46

[Nachomamma8]

SCUM

champinoman
Mr. Flay
Feel It
Generic
Stubbs
Miss Stranger

TOWN

I'm fine with massclaim with the caveat that the tracker should claim VT unless the tracker sees some information that doesn't mesh with results OR Doctor claims first. One of the combinations we need to watch out for is Tracker/One-Shot Bulletproof which would be really bad to massclaim, and this means that we'll be pretty set even if we have this setup.

[Nachomamma8]

And it appears this game is the lowest on Nacho's list of priorities. He has been VERY over the last 7 hours but hasn't found the time to post in here.

UNVOTE: Mr. Flay

VOTE: Nachomamma

I've had enough.

I'm in a lot of games, hence a lot of catchup. Here the catchup was not bad at all so it was a low priority for me.

[champinoman]

I *think* I have done this correctly. Basically looking at all the lists and doing 1v1 comparisons and seeing who the majority feel are more likely to be scum.



Now in the event of the 3 way tie I went through and discovered:
3 out of 5 people believed Nacho was more likely scum than Champinoman.
3 out of 5 people believed Champinoman was more likely scum than Stubbs.
3 out of 5 people believed Stubbs was more likely scum than Nacho.

Still a tie.

So I then did the same thing and excluded any votes by Champinoman, Stubbs and Nacho.
3 out of 4 believed Nacho was more likely scum than Champinoman.
3 out of 4 believed Stubbs was more likely scum than Nacho.
Stubbs V Nacho was a tie.

So the best way I see to satisfy all of these findings would be the order of: Stubbs > Nacho > Champinoman.

Resulting in the Claim order of:

Mr. Flay
Feel It
Stubbs
Nacho
Champinoman
Generic
Miss Stranger.

I have tried to explain my logic in this post so that there is no bias. Does everyone agree with what I've written?

(and apologies for writing in third person )

[champinoman]

So I propose a claim order of:

Feel it
Mr flay
Stubbs
Nacho
Champino
Generic
Miss stranger

Just noticed you almost got it perfect.

[Mr. Flay]

Feel It and Flay tie; fortunately we've both already claimed.

Spoiler: Showing my work

Code: Select all

champinoman>Flay>FeelIt>Generic>Stubbs>MissStranger>Nacho
Flay>FeelIt>champinoman>Generic>Nacho>MissStranger>Stubbs
FeelIt>Flay>Stubbs>Nacho>champinoman>Generic>MissStranger
FeelIt>champinoman>Stubbs>MissStranger>Nacho>Generic>Flay
Flay>FeelIt>Nacho>Stubbs>MissStranger>Generic>champinoman
FeelIt|Flay>Nacho>champinoman>Stubbs>Generic>MissStranger

http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~legrand/rbvote/calc.html (Dodgson method)

1. Feel It
   
2. Mr. Flay
   
3. champino
   
4. Nacho
   
5. Stubbs
   
6. Generic
   
7. Miss Stranger

[Mr. Flay]

champino what you did is more similar to Instant Runoff.

In any case, you're up; claim in your next post, please.

[champinoman]

C'mon Mr. Flay, you ruined my scheming. I deliberately went through all that effort to get Nacho claiming before me. But considering you forced the point...

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I am the

Jailkeeper

and I have jailed Nachomamma both nights.

I tried to reveal who I had jailed during today's play in case I died tonight:

Then again, he sings up for like half the ongoing games, so no wonder. Also he's V/LA until 18th and prompted us not to do anything stupid. I'd say we can re-evaluate former reads, but there really isn't much new information because of the damn lack of nightkills.

His actions have been the same in both days so far. He lurks and provides very minimal content at first. And then he does 1 big analysis towards the end of the day to show us how keen he is to scum hunt. This is why I was asking for his opinion early in this day. If he is town then I think it is worthwhile getting his opinion out in the open so that we can be more informed. He is the most experienced after all so his lack of involvement is just hurting us.

And to add my voice to your 'meaningless speculation';

Spoiler: Meaningless speculation

Albeit, I don't think Jailkeeper has roleblocked the same person twice, otherwise they'd be adamant in lynching that person right now, no?

Refer to my post 446 regarding thoughts on this matter.

I think that if it was me and there was no kill on the first night I would almost certainly pick the same person again

. I'm not sure I'd be adamant on getting the person lynched in day 3 though (in result of another no kill at night) because there are still other possibilities such as the scum no-killing, the involvement of a bulletproof or even the mafia just targeting the same person twice.

I'd certainly have them on my radar though, re-analysing their play over the last 2 days and trying to get them talking to provide additional information to work on before revealing yourself to everyone

.

And after all that is said, there might not even be a jailkeeper in the game. A doc could provide us with the same scenario right now.

As you can see I clearly stated that I had jailed the same person twice. I then hinted at who I had jailed by including these comments in a post that only talked about 1 other person, Nacho.

So, what does this mean?

For one,

I am confirmed town

. The only way this can be disputed is if somebody counter claims me today, and in that case I'm happy to be the lynch knowing I'll flip town giving us a guaranteed victory lynch in day 4.

I'm just disappointed I was forced to claim before Nacho.

[Nachomamma8]

It is a shame you claimed before me.
One-shot bulletproof here.

[champinoman]

It is a shame you claimed before me.
One-shot bulletproof here.

Yeah. No surprise.