Micro 199 Nonsensical Narnia Day 4

[Amethyst Snowflake]

This head is back.
I'm keep asking my other head to explain the kdub scumread but no avail :/

[Amethyst Snowflake]

Also catching up.

[Amethyst Snowflake]

Oh now I see the reason for kdub scumread. <.<
Dear other head: use the QT more often ;-;

[fferyllt]

Oh now I see the reason for kdub scumread. <.<
Dear other head: use the QT more often ;-;

Care to share?

[Amethyst Snowflake]

:/

we only have two days left on deadline?

I don't have anything against Borkie yet, though I hope that hydra'ing with him gives me a decent look into his mind. so far though, he feels town and I'm seeing a borkie similar to the micro that just finished over the Borkie in Venmars game.

I am unsure of Angel, I have him as null-scum. when she's town, I immediately get a warm feeling from her and I have yet to get that feeling. She feels strangely tame this game, I'm used to town angel omgus'ing and town angel being more erratic. I have yet to see angel's play subdued as town, though I have seen that quite a bit from her as scum.

FFery, we can't come to a consensus on you. I think you may be scum, though you contributions here are pretty good. I see a fair amount of frustration in how you respond to both me and GM, frustration I have seen from town-ffery though. I see you trying to be patient with me while I am personally (Mara) being somewhat frustrating with my play and I was kinda expecting you to come at me a little bit harder. I expected everyone to come at me a little bit harder, and the fact that people are letting us slide by with minimal content is worrisome.

as for Kdub, I think he's scum. He hasn't done anything that was his own. I feel like he is carefully trying to blend in, not draw to much attention to himself. I don't like the fact that he doesn't want to commit a opinion on us, and why he isn't trying to figure out our motivation behind our claim when he says he doesn't understand it. He's being really back-seatish with his scum-hunting.

Kdub, MC, and AA are my top suspects

You, and letters are right under them

and Bork, Bro, and GM are my town/leaning town reads

though GIF doesn't like Bro so he is a talking point for us.

I have bork as null.
I think I can call fery town at this point. There's or thing that bothers me and that's that last time I could see town-fery immediately.
Tbh I don't see anything wrong with kdub ATP, because if he truly believes that his power is important for town, I can understand his play.
The two other anti-towns didn't really stood out to me so they deserve my attentions.
I still think there's at least one scum in gm/bro/angel.

[Amethyst Snowflake]

One thing*

[Amethyst Snowflake]

Oh now I see the reason for kdub scumread. <.<
Dear other head: use the QT more often ;-;

Care to share?

She already posted here.

[fferyllt]

Oh now I see the reason for kdub scumread. <.<
Dear other head: use the QT more often ;-;

Care to share?

She already posted here.

I have zero experiential meta with kdub, so the comments about him being back-seatish, etc., have to be relative to something. Her description of his play at that point looked a little over the top to me, but it did cause me to watch him more closely since then. Have either of you played with him before?

I meant to do a meta dive on him, but never both time and attention span at once. I'll see what I can dig up.

[Amethyst Snowflake]

Nein.

[goodmorning]

I have none.

[fferyllt]

Recent town game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

Recent scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

Both are u-picks.

Really quick scan does show some differences. I'll look more closely over the next couple of hours.

[MC RIDE]

BRO should shoot me before anyone else when he's lynched.

Unless he's an idiot or he's 90% sure that kdub is scum.

Or he's scum.

Whatever. Deadline measures.

VOTE: BROseidon

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: BRO

In case that was L-1. I want time to finish my meta dive.

[Kdub]

Completely random. Doesn't seem to make sense from a Town standpoint. The only reason one would claim so early is to head a lynch off at the pass. Why do that? Because it makes you look better in the future if you haven't had a million L-1 wagons run up on you. Who is concerned about appearances? Scum.

What do you mean because of his claim? I'm not in favour of leaving him alive another day just so when he can't actually prove it we lynch him then. I think he is Scum.
I mentioned earlier that I found BRO Town by PoE. I now find him Town on his own merits. He's in this game, paying attention, answering questions. His recent posts in particular have been quite Town, buoyed by his claim, the timing and content of which absolutely make sense from a bravadoing Town standpoint.

So when I claim at L-2, it's "completely random" and "doesn't make sense" as town. When BRO claims at L-2

in the very next post

, the timing "absolutely makes sense" as town.

Also, note that goodmorning didn't even respond to the logic fail I pointed out in 313. He's making an assumption of what he thinks my claim is, then he's calling me a liar based on that assumption.

And look at GM's initial suspicion of me. Very mild compared to his recent attacks, which again I suspect is motivated by his eagerness to force my lynch through at the deadline. He even admits in 300 that his suspicion of me was "nebulous", but suddenly my claim makes me more scum? See above for his inconsistency in his attitude toward me and BRO's claims.

If the deadline weren't an issue, I would prefer a GM lynch to a BRO lynch because his latest attacks have been scummier, but I think GM's defense of BRO here makes them a likely pairing.

Tbh I don't see anything wrong with kdub ATP, because if he truly believes that his power is important for town, I can understand his play.

I'm not saying whether I think my power is important for town or not, only that it's provable.

ffery: Check my wiki for a list of completed games (sorry, I haven't linked them). I feel that my meta depends more on the setup and playerlist than my alignment, but I'll let you judge that for yourself.

[BROseidon]

MC, If I shoot you and miss we have 6 going into tomorrow, which is MyLo. I guess shooting you means town can vote to no-lynch and go down to 5, but that's the only benefit I would see.

Kdub, the difference is that I'm being resolute in my claim. Yours looks like you are trying to buy time. If your PR is really that important, you can claim it outright and take protection. It looks like you are trying to stall for time.

Also, wrt to the me/GM "pairing," what would me flipping town do to your read on GM?

[goodmorning]

Completely random. Doesn't seem to make sense from a Town standpoint. The only reason one would claim so early is to head a lynch off at the pass. Why do that? Because it makes you look better in the future if you haven't had a million L-1 wagons run up on you. Who is concerned about appearances? Scum.

What do you mean because of his claim? I'm not in favour of leaving him alive another day just so when he can't actually prove it we lynch him then. I think he is Scum.
I mentioned earlier that I found BRO Town by PoE. I now find him Town on his own merits. He's in this game, paying attention, answering questions. His recent posts in particular have been quite Town, buoyed by his claim, the timing and content of which absolutely make sense from a bravadoing Town standpoint.

So when I claim at L-2, it's "completely random" and "doesn't make sense" as town. When BRO claims at L-2

in the very next post

, the timing "absolutely makes sense" as town.

Yes, because he was claiming directly in response to fferyllt. It fits with the rest of his gameplay, it's coherent, and it does make sense. You claimed at L-3, completely out of the blue, in an entirely self-preservatory way.
Besides which, a relevant statement coined by DGB: "Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

Also, note that goodmorning didn't even respond to the logic fail I pointed out in 313. He's making an assumption of what he thinks my claim is, then he's calling me a liar based on that assumption.

I am assuming you're not going to claim Scum, therefore I am indeed assuming you're lying. Perhaps logic isn't your strong suit.

And look at GM's initial suspicion of me. Very mild compared to his recent attacks, which again I suspect is motivated by his eagerness to force my lynch through at the deadline. He even admits in 300 that his suspicion of me was "nebulous", but suddenly my claim makes me more scum? See above for his inconsistency in his attitude toward me and BRO's claims.

Your claims are dissimilar. See above for my reasoning.

If the deadline weren't an issue, I would prefer a GM lynch to a BRO lynch because his latest attacks have been scummier, but I think GM's defense of BRO here makes them a likely pairing.

And now you're going chainsaw? Without flips? Dull. Unoriginal. Classic Scum.

[Kdub]

Kdub, the difference is that I'm being resolute in my claim. Yours looks like you are trying to buy time. If your PR is really that important, you can claim it outright and take protection. It looks like you are trying to stall for time.

Also, wrt to the me/GM "pairing," what would me flipping town do to your read on GM?

What does it mean to "buy time"? The deadline is what it is, and me claiming isn't going to change that. As I said, I don't think it's to the town's advantage for me to claim more than is needed, and all that is needed right now is exactly what I have revealed.

You flipping town would probably not change my read on GM much.

Yes, because he was claiming directly in response to fferyllt. It fits with the rest of his gameplay, it's coherent, and it does make sense. You claimed at L-3, completely out of the blue, in an entirely self-preservatory way.
Besides which, a relevant statement coined by DGB: "Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

False, I claimed at L-2 (AS, you, BRO). Yes, it is self-preservatory, because the deadline was one day away and I wanted to avoid a situation where I am run up to L-1, claim, then there's no time left for discussion or to switch to someone else (resulting in a mislynch on me). So much for "completely out of the blue". Anybody paying attention can see why I, as town, would be claiming what I did in that spot given the deadline pressure. That DGB quote is completely irrelevant here.

I am assuming you're not going to claim Scum, therefore I am indeed assuming you're lying. Perhaps logic isn't your strong suit.

So basically anything I claim is going to be disbelieved by you. That is quite different from what your post 310 is saying.

And now you're going chainsaw? Without flips? Dull. Unoriginal. Classic Scum.

I suspected you far before you ever indicated suspicion of me, so this is false again.

[fferyllt]

MC, If I shoot you and miss we have 6 going into tomorrow, which is MyLo. I guess shooting you means town can vote to no-lynch and go down to 5, but that's the only benefit I would see.

Kdub, the difference is that I'm being resolute in my claim. Yours looks like you are trying to buy time. If your PR is really that important, you can claim it outright and take protection. It looks like you are trying to stall for time.

Also, wrt to the me/GM "pairing," what would me flipping town do to your read on GM?

bork, this post strikes me as town-motivated. I've been waffly about some other posts, but this one feels townish.

I don't feel good about either wagon now.

[BROseidon]

We could just lynch me and I can use my venge-shot on MC to get rid of the hated role, although I'm not sure if that has any utility over lynching the hated role.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: MC Ride

Policy lynch: I'm worried about a no lynch at this point, we've obviously got some positive utility roles; let's let them do what they do.

This is what we are doing.

[fferyllt]

A hated townie in a 9p setup is just evil.

I'm not happy with AA9's recent posts.

Re kdub, learning from the meta that he got into mafia on a poker site gives me a little pause. Nearly all the serious poker players/former players I've played mafia with are a bitch to read. His play here doesn't look much like that scum game I linked, though. Will read some more games.

p-edit ah bork is thinking similar thoughts.

[fferyllt]

ffery: Check my wiki for a list of completed games (sorry, I haven't linked them). I feel that my meta depends more on the setup and playerlist than my alignment, but I'll let you judge that for yourself.

Tempted to lynch vote you purely because you directed me to your wiki where you don't link to your games, you just list them as text, and you don't label them by alignment.

[fferyllt]

I read the first day or so of another scum game.

Tree Stump Mafia : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

A second scum game for comparison purposes helps a little. As scum he tends to null-read players and not take early stances about their alignment unless he's voting them. In this game he hasn't commented directly on bork, and his only comment on AA9 is that she's flying under the radar along with MC and TMT. But, on every player he's been asked to take a stance about, he's given a non-null read.

This is a pretty tentative null/town read for me.

[RachMarie]

I am so sorry everyone I have not been able to sit at the computer for very long due to my knee. VC coming up and yes I will grant an extension of 2 days based on mod being not doing her job well .... Rach

[Amethyst Snowflake]

I am so sorry everyone I have not been able to sit at the computer for very long due to my knee. VC coming up and yes I will grant an extension of 2 days based on mod being not doing her job well .... Rach

You are forgiven, Rachie ♥