NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[mastin2]

Bulbazak is at L-1!

One-Hundred-Thirty-Third Votecount

:

(Fifteenth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "If our town is to prosper, it needs more posting!" votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8,

ffullisade

)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
PeregrineV - 0 (

ffullisade

)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Last votecount was page 210, post 5232.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote->Seanald
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D4

On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,

penguin_alien

votes

Rena

in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,

Cephrir

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,

Desperado

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Rena

in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,

Desperado

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,

PeregrineV

votes

Cephrir

in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,

Rena

votes

Bulbazak

in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Rena

in post 5159.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 03:16p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 5200.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 01:31a,

penguin_alien

votes

Seanald

in post 5231.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 02:43p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5298.

[penguin_alien]

Prefer Rena lynch to Bulbazak right now, although I would go with Seanald over both. Actually,

VOTE: Seanald

If anyone has a town read on him and wants to dissuade me, have at it.

This is a really strange post in context. The only wagon with more than 1 vote other than Bulba's is Rena, who you would prefer. But you put another singleton vote on Seanald.

W have 8 days, and a recurring theme here seems to be people saying they'd vote for person X, but only if someone else does. I'm voting where I think scum is. If push comes to shove, I'd vote Rena over Bulbazak, but I'd prefer to let another round of night actions shed more light on the vig-watcher claims. I doubt we have another protective role, which means scum either has to let at least one of their actions through or kill one of them. Although under the 'KK JK'd Bulbazak' theory, I guess scum wouldn't have been interfering with the vig shot.

Plus I thunk it's weird that there's all this interest in stringing up Rena now while when I was questioning the events, most of what I heard was reasons why Rena could be telling the truth. What makes Rena a better wagon than Seanald?

[ThAdmiral]

Would like to hear a neighbor-scum scumlist and a clean-neighborhood scumlist from everyone.

And BOOM does the dynamite.

Thank you all for your participation.

I now leave you all back to your regularly scheduled tunneling/lurking.

Alright I'll do it.

If the neighborhoods are suspect, that leaves 1 (less likely) or 2 scum in
13. Desperado-neighbor with Senald
17. Seanald-neighbor with desp
2. CrashTextDummie-neighbor with dead town-Slandaar
18. ThAdmiral-my neighbor
5. PeregrineV-Me-neighbor with ThAd

Seanald is the top pick here, and then you and ctd are pretty close for second choice.

If the neighborhoods are all clean, then that leaves 4-6 scum in
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
6. Nero Cain
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
19. Haylen-TWF
21. Amethyst Kitty
22. ffullisade
23. Human Destroyer

Is this everyone? I see for example rena isn't here.
Anyway of this list I would say: bulb, hd, penguin for suresies, and throw in ak and haylen to round out the list. Nacho is also a maybe.

[ThAdmiral]

*I do not like his hardcore buddying of the CTD

I haven't been buddying up to CTD. This is just mudflinging.

There was definitely that one time when you were like "don't shoot ctd, shoot me instead". I think that would count as buddying.

Come on that argument is patently stupid. If you're looking for a utility lynch (ignoring for the time being that he's scummy as hell) look no further than Seanald.

Still down for this too.

pere's 5293 is good.

PV, if you think AK is scum and killed Thor + Khan why do you think Bulb is town for defending her? + Bulb as been all over the place with his AK read.

You don't think scum defend each other like that?

This is good too.

Prefer Rena lynch to Bulbazak right now, although I would go with Seanald over both. Actually,

VOTE: Seanald

If anyone has a town read on him and wants to dissuade me, have at it.

This is a really strange post in context. The only wagon with more than 1 vote other than Bulba's is Rena, who you would prefer. But you put another singleton vote on Seanald.

He's been flying under the radar pretty much the whole game. Scum or pr is my guess.

[Bulbazak]

There was definitely that one time when you were like "don't shoot ctd, shoot me instead". I think that would count as buddying.

I never said that. I didn't want you to shoot CTD, but that was when there was an exceptionally strong townread of him, to the point where he was considered def. town. I said that almost anyone else would shed more light on the game then him, including myself. I did not shout "Shoot me!". I left the decision up to you while seeking to keep you from killing the strongest townread.

[mastin2]

Hmm. One full day since my last post, and yet there's a grand total of four posts in here since last time. That's generally a very,

very

bad sign. I'll see where everybody stands activity-wise, but if you're all technically in the limits, I'll need to send out a mass-poke.

Edit:

Ah, I know what the problem is.

Bacde hasn't responded to my prod, which I sent two days ago. Which means I'm now seeking a replacement.

[Nero Cain]

Sean hasn't posted in 6 days....did you never prod him?

<<< I prodded him, too, but Bacde caught my attention first.
...Crap. So that makes TWO I need. Sonofabitch, I'm running low on contacts. >>>

[Nachomamma8]

That's generally a very, very bad sign. I'll see where

or a great fucking sign

[Rena]

I'll need to send out a mass-poke.

I swear to god...If I am poked one more time...

ThAd, I'm Haylen. I switched accounts over 100 pages ago.

If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

[Cephrir]

I'll need to send out a mass-poke.

I swear to god...If I am poked one more time...

ThAd, I'm Haylen. I switched accounts over 100 pages ago.

If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

So you think it's more likely KK jailed Thad (despite how antitown of him that would be) because... you know Thad isn't your scumbuddy and your kill wasn't blocked?

Seriously though the assumption that town blocked you...there is no reason town would do that....

[Cephrir]

Not to mention that isn't even how jailkeepers work

[Rena]

Jailkeepers prevent the target from performing an action and having an action performed on them. KK wouldn't have known that I was going to target ThAd.

[Bulbazak]

To be honest, purposely JKing a claimed vig would be stupid, as it defeats the entire purpose of having a vig. It would be much better to JK someone you didn't want to die to the vig. Also, if he believed your claim to be legit, there's no reason to assume that you WOULDN'T watch the vig. I honestly don't believe KK blocked ThAd, and I don't know why you would either.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Although I can answer that my PV scumread is in between MM and RayFrost, leaning more towards an MM scumread.

Can this be put in terms that I understand?

[Cephrir]

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.

Nope.

And even if jailkeepers did what you thought, the reason jailing Thad would be antitown has exactly nothing to do with you

[Nachomamma8]

PV is not a read that I could lynch the hell out of and feel completely confident he will flip scum, but he is a fairly strong read.

[Bulbazak]

Although I can answer that my PV scumread is in between MM and RayFrost, leaning more towards an MM scumread.

Can this be put in terms that I understand?

Nacho helped lynch Master Mew in Voided. When he looked back at who MM replaced, he realized it was Titan, who was an extremely strong townread, which made the MM vote a mistake on his part. In my first Newbie game, Nacho called out RayFrost's slot as scummy and pushed on it the entire game. He would not let up on it, even when no one else could see it, and urged people to vote the slot. That slot flipped scum. Essentially I just asked him to rate his conviction from 1 to 10 using game examples.

[Amethyst Kitty]

ok uh...

Nacho's answer would have sufficed

What about CTD do you not like Nacho? I still think he's town, though I don't think he's been as transparently genuine as he was earlier on in the game.

If there is scum within the Neighbors, I would say scum would be in Peregrine or Seanald though Peregrine replaced DLG and I can't really get over how genuine his posts looked no matter how much Peregrine pings for me.

I also do know that genuine reads as scum isn't impossible, though is DLG the type of person to do that kind of thing?

[Amethyst Kitty]

also, how town do you think Bulb is?

I have alot of mixed feelings regarding him

[CrashTextDummie]

Nero, please address Post 5006. You tried to marginalize it by calling it "silly accusations", but there's questions and observations in there that are critical to understanding your motivations (and therefore to figuring out your alignment) and I want them answered. Enough with the posturing.

[mastin2]

<<< Baezu replaces Bacde effective upon posting. >>>

[Baezu]

/confirm

Hey All! Lemme have a chance to look at things tonight and I'll post my reads as soon as I can.

[Human Destroyer]

So you're saying that you think ThAd is lying about being the vig (i.e. scum) and is therefore lying about who he targetted, yet that tells you absolutely NOTHING about his target? I understand we're in multiball and everything, but you should still be able to come to some conclusion via PoE.

Yes, that tells me actually nothing about the target. I'm not sure why you're so set on the fact that it does.

[Human Destroyer]

Serious question: How isn't Bulba hammered already?

[mastin2]

<<< The day begins off fairly slow, out of respect for the fallen angel and forgotten hero.

At first, it seems like there are four potential lynch candidates, but this is quickly narrowed down, and

Bulbazak

ends up once again in the hot seat. Quite significantly so, in fact, as he ends up falling one person short of having a majority.

The first counter to this is an attempt to lynch

PeregrineV

, which gains a lot of steam.

An abridged version of the history of the game is compiled, as things continue to heat up. There's even an attempt to communicate with the dead!

However, as the day drags on, a burning desire to lynch

Rena

arises, even at one point rivaling the cooling-off Bulbazak group.

In the midst of all of this, nobody notices that two figures have gone missing: neither

Bacde

nor

Seanald

are around, both having apparently burned out.

Baezu

comes in, holding a letter of recommendation from Bacde, stating that Baezu is like a bat out of hell and will be his replacement. >>>