Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[N64Lord]

I going to agree with tamuz is overbearing. In a lylo as murky as this one, (early d3) then the three town would be forced to vote before either of the scum voted if scum wanted any votes to be in stone, as calling out d2 and d1 be3havior, is actually shaky for all three players, given a combination of activity falloff, circular arguments, and overreadiness to back down.
That didn't happen, but it was how I saw the game. I "see" tamuz as scummy because if either me or gen had a VT role pm, and we beleived the proof on why jmo and tamuz are town(not hammering), then both of us would have no option for the rest of d3 but to tunnel on TIP. You're the one using people as marionettes. This is also the basis of calling you out for knowing TIP is scum. I actually liked jmo much more than gen wol, but since he was defended by malakittens(TIP slot) and you.... I can't ignore a scum content defense, even with your clear cut one.

[Tamuz]

For the first part, congratulations, your English is amazing, here is a gold star I presume you were asking for recognition of your brilliance and you nailed it.

No I'm asking you to explain how you can hold both hopes that my assertion that TIP was scum & the hope that TIP was not lying with his claim at the same time.

As for the 2nd part. Pope did try bus me? How does that make me scum?

I think you are purposefully misrepping the word bus. To bus is a person of one faction sacrificing someone else from their faction to either individual or faction gain. Townies can't bus scum, scum can't bus townies. Townies can bus townies, but usually there's something more going on there mechanically, ie masonry.

I did not expect this out of your mouth. Some sense has finally struck JMO. I honestly expected this amazing logic out of Tamuz is mouth. However, Tamuz was very closed to the idea that you were scum. As if he was very happy buddying up with another player who he definitively knew was town. JMO, I am starting to have second thoughts about you now.

Since you couldn't ply me you're trying with jmo & misrepping me to boot!

Anyways, I claimed VT to let you know what position I am, duh.

But you understand this is completely stupid, right? With an uncontested BP claim and a JK dead everyone left is a VT.

VOTE: Gen_Wolf

Now to this trainwreck.

In a lylo as murky as this one, (early d3) then the three town would be forced to vote before either of the scum voted if scum wanted any votes to be in stone, as calling out d2 and d1 be3havior, is actually shaky for all three players, given a combination of activity falloff, circular arguments, and overreadiness to back down.

What the shit does this even mean? I literally can't parse meaning here.

I "see" tamuz as scummy because if either me or gen had a VT role pm, and we beleived the proof on why jmo and tamuz are town(not hammering), then both of us would have no option for the rest of d3 but to tunnel on TIP. You're the one using people as marionettes. This is also the basis of calling you out for knowing TIP is scum.

I don't think you understand, or you are purposefully being dense.

If

TIP is town, and only if, then jmo and I cannot be scum. We don't know that TIP is town, but we know TIP either is town or has to act town. TIP and only TIP must see jmo and I as town. Your note that both you and gen have to tunnel on tip and can't scumhunt the other is a slip.

This insistence that I'm making people dance and forcing you to know that jmo and I are town is just wrong. I've made cases, attacked cases, asked for clarification and you choose to ignore responding without introducing any new information. To put it bluntly you aren't scumhunting.

Just like Gen_Wolf you are free to discuss whatever you want. However you haven't been, you've been hiding away and when you come back you whine about how other people are controlling the game.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.07

Gen_Wolf - 1 - Tamuz
TheIrishPope - 1 - N64Lord

Not Voting: TheIrishPope, Gen_Wolf, jmo16mla

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-28 04:13:05)

[TheIrishPope]

In a lylo as murky as this one

HUH
I WONDER WHY THAT IS

[TheIrishPope]

I can't believe that N64 still thinks that Tamuz and I are scum together.

[Tamuz]

Can you believe that Gen wolf thinks you and I are scum?

[TheIrishPope]

Scum tend to believe in the most ridiculous things. Tamuz, do you have a preference over who gets lynched today? N64 or Gen?

[jmo16mla]

okayy. so. il give it some more time.

[TheIrishPope]

Give what some more time?

[jmo16mla]

the cake in my easy bake oven.

[TheIrishPope]

Ah
I see

[jmo16mla]

whos sucm?

[Tamuz]

whos sucm?

jmo and Tamuz

[TheIrishPope]

whos sucm?

jmo and Tamuz

Wrong
Tamuz and TIP

[jmo16mla]

Tamuz and TIP

Thats what im thinking.

[jmo16mla]

Yeah.. Actually, I like that. Tamuz doesn't vote you even after calling you scum, no one is quick hammering gen wolf.

The no hammer on gen leads me to believe that TIP is scum waiting for someone else to vote him.

VOTE: The Irish Pope

If I'm wrong, whatever.

[TheIrishPope]

This is me not self hammering because I'm not fucking scum. Is that what you wanted?

[jmo16mla]

Scum wouldn't self hammer in this situation.

[TheIrishPope]

Then what

do

you want, jmo?

[Tamuz]

4:08 AM
Wednesday, July 24, 2013 (SAST)
Time in Johannesburg, South Africa

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum

[TheIrishPope]

Did you just call Gen a transgender?
Tamuz, what do you make of jmo's vote?

[Tamuz]

No, I called you a cisgender.

I think jmo's vote is there to get a reaction, like all of his votes today. He has no posted explanation, so I can't really judge reasoning. The closest thing to reasoning is this conditional reasoning of a scum-team with 0 revealed alignments. This is a very bad reason to vote in lylo

I clearly don't like it. I don't see a town win coming from lynching you today regardless of your alignment.

I still think the smarter move is to vote who is more likely to be scum between Gen and N64 (I've clearly leaned to gen) and then suss out the last scum from TIP and N64 tomorrow, but I don't think jmo is scum. He thinks there is at least a real possibility that I'm scum so his line of logic is clearly different.

So really all I can do is leave this post again.

Guys, at some point we are going to have to lynch, I hate losing so I hope you are right but I think Tamuz has the most compelling case. I am willing to vote TiP today, lets hope you right.

It is a little bit of an omgus, heres for trying to bus me Pope, but sorry,

this bus is full, muddafuka

Lets bite this bullet
vote: Irish

Gen thought it was a hammer, read the penultimate and antepenultimate lines.
Gen's reasoning is 'we gotta lynch someone' without ever building a case today on anyone, let alone the person he was lynching.
Gen is confused about his desire, whether my case is correct of TIP's claim. These are in direct contradiction. His 'response' to pointing this out was to quote it and talk about something different.

[TheIrishPope]

Tamuz, I have no preference over Gen and N64 now, but we do need to consider who has been more logical if we need one of them at LyLo the next day.

[Tamuz]

You asshole.

[TheIrishPope]

Huh?