Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Mr. Flay]

I'm like 78% sure Feel It is the last scum.

[Mr. Flay]

^ That worked better when it was going to be posted below 574. Oops.

[Generic]

I promised nacho to choose the lynch, but I am very on board with losing feel it for the win.

[StubbsKVM]

Let's get it over with then.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

When I updated my rules set for the Matrix6 setup, I forgot to take NAR into account (which is where the rule in the wiki for Matrix6 comes from). Now that I'm thinking about it that rule is pointless, because a Roleblocker shouldn't/wouldn't get a result back stating whether his block action was successful.

I'm taking the line out from the Roleblocker sample PM. Thanks for catching it!

-Vel

Vote Count 3.6

Feel It - 2 (Nachomamma8, Mr. Flay)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (StubbsKVM, Miss Stranger, Feel It)

No Lynch - 1 (champinoman)

Not Voting - 1 (Generic)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-26 07:00:00)

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[Mr. Flay]

When I updated my rules set for the Matrix6 setup, I forgot to take NAR into account (which is where the rule in the wiki for Matrix6 comes from). Now that I'm thinking about it that rule is pointless, because a Roleblocker shouldn't/wouldn't get a result back stating whether his block action was successful.

I'm taking the line out from the Roleblocker sample PM. Thanks for catching it!

...uhhh, okay. Since you're confirming the ruleset, does the RB still lose ties to the JK?

Yes. According to NAR, all blocking actions take precedence over protection actions. Sorry for the confusion

-Vel

[Mr. Flay]

NACHO. we need you!

[StubbsKVM]

UNVOTE:

[Miss Stranger]

If Nacho is indeed mafia, he should just self-vote. This trolling would be highly unacceptable, he knows at this point as scum he can't win, so it's simply unethical to waste town's time.

It might be just me, but I don't see Feel It trying to NK unsuccessfully Nacho twice? As a roleblocker he'll know it's either the jailkeeper/bulletproof or cop/doctor setup, and neither make sense to fire at the same target unsuccessfully twice.

I can let Nacho convince me of his innocence, but I'm definitely not NL-ing. This farce has to end now.

[Nachomamma8]

I am here, getting distracted by chat. Feel It was my first choice, but I definitely want to do a reread first.

[Generic]

You are running out of time btw.

[Nachomamma8]

I'll be done before the one day, 10 hours mark.

[Nachomamma8]

I think Miss Stranger is leaning town. No I'm not trying to get you to lynch Gen_Wolf he just gets my vote because he seems the most suspicious (which at this point isn't much)

Antagon is active lurking, asking about people questions without contributing much himself.

Feel It was the first person to call Antagon out for active lurking, but really didn't act on it.

Of those who have posted so far, heres my opening feelings...

I loved this post because it was ridiculously comprehensive and so incredibly early in the game. In retrospect, I'm not as happy with this post because I allowed you too much towncred for it. I've recently learned that you're a hell of a scum player and as a result, will probably be going a little harder on you than I have on other newbies this game. You are my biggest worry as far as "people who can snow me" goes.

Miss Stranger, it's not opportunism, if I was an opportunist I would have just kept my vote on you and pushed you harder, you already had three votes, instead I turned my focus on a player with no votes or attention who made a comment that stood out like a sore thumb. His reactions were even worse, he got all jumpy and defensive and claimed it was a reaction test and the people who fell for it were scum? That I'm not contributing? His accusations are weak and reeks of desperation and nervousness. If the guy is town I'm sorry but he's acted very scummy so far in.

The whole "if I was actually being opportunist, I would've..." is not really a defense that I like because it essentially points to "I could be worse than I am, meaning I'm not scum". The whole "if this guy is town I'm sorry..." bit is also a bit premature; it's like he's afraid of Miss Stranger reading Gen as town and so is starting to posture for the position that Gen is just SO scummy that his push is justified even if Gen is town. Which isn't exactly consistent with his later sentiment of Gen being the scummiest even though that's not necessarily that scummy.

Gen_Wolf won't be here for a while and we've applied pressure to him and got reactions, we'd be better looking at other players, particularly the lurkers trying to slide by unnoticed.

James May- Getting some very scummy vibes, he's made two posts, one saying he doesn't want to get involved yet and another before that claiming he had a big post analyzing us? He also made a few backseat questions and backed up Gen_Wolf's comment. Probably my main fos after Gen_Wolf

Antagon- Similar to the above, he started the first RVS bandwagon, then went quiet and has just made the odd comment, not giving much help.

He's recommending that we move to look at other players, start to pressure lurkers... then decides that lurker we should pressure is James May instead of Antagon, who was his previous second suspicion. Antagon still gets the shout out though.

I'm waiting for the guy to drop off my notes so might as well use the time wisely. I am in the process of going through everyones ISO.

These reads showed most focus on Miss Stranger the strongest townread which was sort of a gotcha at this point and Feel It, who had pushed on him before and it was mostly an OMGUS read that didn't even translate into a strong scumread. I don't like these focuses; it was too easy to talk about how miss stranger was town at that point, and focusing on Feel It over say Fegelein showed survivalistic attitude.

Champino has so far chose to dissect my posts to death, down to my comments on time and story time about my motives...

Accusing someone of dissecting posts to death is a strange accusation considering your first analysis post.

his is starting to bug me and I will finally say something. Miss Stranger, a lot of what you are saying is based on if's, and a lot of these 'if's' revolve around me. Firstly, IF Gen_Wolf is scum then Feel It is town and vice versa. Secondly, 'If' Gen is scum then Champ is next inline.

I liked this though.

I haven't said much for a while so some general thoughts;

Mostly attacking lurkers and ignoring active players. Still no real push on Antagon, even though most of his play hints heavily towards it.

So, reads.
TOWN:
Gen_Wolf

NULL/LEANING TOWN:

NULL:
Everyone else.

NULL/LEANING SCUM:
Fegelein
James May

SCUM:

I would bet several shiny pennies that Antagon's partner is not in this reads list.

quote="In post 180, Generic"]But although im new to this I have weirdly seen a bit of meta about someone who turned up on another site im playing mafia in. I don't think its fair to vote for them based solely on a cross site spot (imagine being found out as mafia based on accidentally meeting up with another player in a different game on a different site... this could be a first!) but I will be asking nachomamma to respond to me and explain why his strong aggressive analysis has been lacking so far here. Yes he came for me, but that was VERY tunnelled on the one person. I think he is capable of more broad strokes and has yet to do that. So meta could be his downfall here.[/quote]
I very much appreciated this post.

Okay then, giving intent to hammer Nacho, I want to see what he has to say.

And this still bothers me quite a bit, considering Feel It didn't really have shit to say about me for the entire day.

In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

although I don't really understand why Generic voted Antagon here if Feel It was the opportunistic one.

Are you seriously retarded? I've explained this a thousand times. Get over your tunneling you're just hurting the town now with your narrow mindedness. Push my lynch if you want but you're gonna look very, very stupid when I flip town.

This was an extremely poignant response to suspicion, which at first seems pretty town but now seems much more strange, especially considering his response when chkflip flipped town could have added up to exactly "absolutely zero response".

Scum are obvz no lynching at night so lets no lynch during the day until they make a NK so we can get some info?

This is extremely strange consider Gen Wolf's vanilla-townieness.

In my mind from what I have seen over three days nacho and stranger are town. Chalk them off and we are left with

why did you think I was town?

He's still posting in another game, so, kinda yeah.

I hate hate hate how all of Feel It's posts at this point are just dipping in the pool and coasting coasting coasting. I think if he was scum at this point he essentially would've given up, and his posting here reflects that.

My predecessor definitely had some dumb things to say (including not wanting to lynch Antagon),

Flay, are you familiar with the Amished Tell?

I didn't put me last as I hate having universal trust because I want to still prove I have nothing to hide.

I really don't understand this.

Champ and nacho are off limits. Bear in mind nacho is unCCed unless miss stranger points out she is BP.

scumslip...?

Yeah, that's what he SAID, but it gives him 2 more days, 2 more days to potentially steer the town in other directions and fight among itself if. It's harmful to the town because he could be scum, and he knows that champinoman has him by the balls so he's trying to appeal to the town to get kills in other ways. Don't you think it's a big scumtell that champinoman has blocked him twice and we've had zero nightkills so far?

I'm fine with going along with it as long as long as the town makes sure to lynch him on the third day if scum hasn't been found.

This was a ton of scum-panic. He pretty much completely dismissed the plan because he thinks there's a chance of me causing a bunch of infighting and convincing town to not listen to the part of my plan where I get lynched...?

[Nachomamma8]

So general thoughts are that Feel It is probably the last scum. He doesn't look good as far as associative tells go, and I haven't really been impressed with any play except for his Day 1 play which in and of itself was filled with a lot of lurker hunting (but not hunting Antagon!), the strange response to Miss Stranger's first accusation that Flay pointed out, the random intent on me, etc. I feel pretty good about my reservations on Generic right now considering it would've taken him some absolutely amazing scum play to pull off and I think I'm being a bit paranoid from reading a few of his off-site games, but if Feel It happens to flip town, my main priority tomorrow will be making sure that he is town beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Vote: Feel It

[Mr. Flay]

Flay, are you familiar with the Amished Tell?

No idea. Wiki is unhelpful, seems he always lost as scum (certainly not my problem).

[champinoman]

Flay, are you familiar with the Amished Tell?

No idea. Wiki is unhelpful, seems he always lost as scum (certainly not my problem).

That's exactly the answer Nacho was looking for.

From Newbie 1198 (care of google):

It's based off of people replacing into a game and getting a scum PM. What's the first thing you do? Reread your predecessor to see how screwed you are. Town, however, has no reason to reread their predeccesor(generally) as they know they were town so who cares.

The amish tell is whenever someone insults their predecessor, they are scum. This only works when:
A. They've never heard of the amish.
B. It's not part of their playstyle.

Something to think about tomorrow.

I'm happy with the plan so I'm following Nacho's lead.

UNVOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: Feel It

And in all honesty your eagerness to rush the lynch on Nacho is a worry. There is no reason it has to happen today.

[Mr. Flay]

That's a really odd tell. Who doesn't read their predecessor? And when somebody is playing THAT BADLY, it is worth commenting on.

Anyway, that's L-1. Generic?

[champinoman]

That's a really odd tell. Who doesn't read their predecessor? And when somebody is playing THAT BADLY, it is worth commenting on.

I'd never heard of it myself. I guess we will find out in time. It's worth noting though that both chkflip (flipped town) and Stubbs (tbc) didn't criticize their slot when they started.

So who wants to take guesses if I survive the night? I think I'm a goner, however considering I can be roleblocked every night I don't see the necessity for me to be killed. I'm effectively a VT anyway now.

[Mr. Flay]

If scum aren't Nacho, I don't want to give them any ideas about who to kill. Needless to say they have a target-rich environment...

[Miss Stranger]

My guess is that nobody will die either night. Because I find a two-time roleblocked mafia goon much more likely than roleblocker unsuccessfully blocking and failing to kill Nacho twice. If anyone else had claimed bulletproof, it'd be different. It's just too much, way too much of a coincidence.

I'm sorry I don't believe coincidences.

[Mr. Flay]

Goddamnit Nacho, stop signing up for more games when you can't find time for the ones you're in!

[Nachomamma8]

My guess is that nobody will die either night. Because I find a two-time roleblocked mafia goon much more likely than roleblocker unsuccessfully blocking and failing to kill Nacho twice. If anyone else had claimed bulletproof, it'd be different. It's just too much, way too much of a coincidence.

I'm sorry I don't believe coincidences.

Then it will become painfully clear after exactly two days. Is there any reason you aren't lynching Feel It?

[Nachomamma8]

Goddamnit Nacho, stop signing up for more games when you can't find time for the ones you're in!

Flay.
I can always find time for you.

[Feel It]

VOTE: Feel It

Nah, I'm not scum and don't have anything to hide. The town thinks I'm scum though so I think it would be better if I died so it will clear their minds.

Some last thoughts;

Why is the town so happy give an extra 2 days to the player with the most scummiest evidence against him? he should have been lynched today.

Mr Flay is still scummy

Stubbs has lurked more than me today, and is wary to get involved.

[Mr. Flay]

Well then.

In answer to your rhetorical, we lose NOTHING by testing the claim for a Day or two.