Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

[Wisdom]

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so despite what I said, I just finished reading the whole game.

My reads remain the same.

Sakura is an active scum who properly scumhunts for scum of the other faction. She also tries to gather towncred with every opportunity (such as teaching/coaching - 1005 is a good recent example). The slip goodmorning found is actually very important, and yeah it probably means she's mafia.

Malakittens is also scum. First of all, she posts less frequently than she does as town - ironically something she tries to accuse goodmorning of. Then most of her posts are fluffy, nonsensical that she later excuses as cranky, or general statements without many commitments and without really participating in discussions. 653 particularly gave me mad scumvibes - "if he's scum he's harmful to his scumteam and he should die" - what? Why the hell would town care about that? Town want to lynch scum because they are..., you know, scum. Not because they're not useful to their scum team. Really weird, as is her call for a policy lynch out of nowhere. Then her random jump to goodmorning out of nowhere, for meta reasons and nothing to do with the game.

Honey bee is also scum. Those that stated that her play looks like the Cracking Idea that she was scum in were right - it does remind me of that play (I followed that game). She focuses on one person and practically ignores the rest of the game (after this gets pointed out she goes on to comment on goodmorning too), and the only other thing she does is try to dispel the suspicion on her with self-meta and whatnot. Also that unvote in 964 was just terrible.

RachMarie could potentially be scum too, not for her inactivity (she's inactive everywhere), not for not reading the setup (I don't really think Rach would attempt faking something like that), but for her L-2 vote and the wording she used (and that facepalm smiley gives me bad vibes for some reason) - Rach usually is scared of fast wagons and I find it unlikely she would not realize what her vote is doing. Not liking all the "please no more selfvotes" afterwards either, and neither her tunnel on my predecessor - I think she usually does not go after newbies that easily. Still, this read includes some speculation on my part, so I can't say I'm sure about Rach.

Scott and Meowmix have both posted fuckall, however Scott's post gives me some kind of townvibes (I like his reads on Marquis and my predecessor), while Meowmix's doesn't.

Marquis is not scum. He's a trolling, carefree townie, who doesn't care about anything and post whatever he wants whenever he wants. Stop allowing scum to use him as lynchbait.

goodmorning is not scum. I disagree with notscience that she did not help the game progress - her reads are good, and the Sakura mafiaslip she spotted is most likely accurate.

I am completely certain that Nachomollie (aka 50), Bert, notscience and Saki are town, and I'll be honestly surprised if I'm wrong on any of them. Saki notably has a playstyle that reminds me very much of mine (such as wanting to withheld townreads, posting a lot, and other stuff), and I'm quite sure that's town.

[Wisdom]

And really, Saki, the Rach vote is the only important thing regarding that p2 wagon. The other votes on it were just wagoning to see reactions (including the selfvote)

[Saki]

such as wanting to withheld townreads

glaring contradiction

[Sakura Hana]

I love how Saki's agreeing with his own scumread on me being scummy.

[Wisdom]

such as wanting to withheld townreads

glaring contradiction

Nah, I withheld townreads in the beginning of games, in fear of giving scum things to sheep. Now there's no reason to do so, it's much better to find the town and work together.

[Sakura Hana]

it's much better to find the town and work together.

You are voting one of them.

[fferyllt]

18th Vote Count (18th of Day 1)

Wisdom - 4 (RachMarie, Meowmix, bert, marquis) L-3

Sakura Hana - 3 (goodmorning, Wisdom, notscience)
marquis - 2 ( Sakura Hana, 50 Shades of Purple)
notscience - 1 (Saki)
meowmix - 1 (marquis)
RachMarie - 1 (Scott Brosius)
goodmorning - 1 (malakittens)


Not voting: Honey bee

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Mod Notes:

- MeowMix has beeen prodded.
- Wisdom replaces NocturnNights

Deadline August 10, 11:59 PM US Eastern Time (GMT-4)

Nightfall is in (expired on 2013-08-10 20:59:00)

[Sakura Hana]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5094953
Oh nvm... it's Wisdom's usual behavior. Carry on.

[Wisdom]

Sakura if you're town then you should stop voting town yourself.

[Sakura Hana]

Quite interesting trap there, sorry but i'm not gonna fall for your mislynch tactics.
If i don't unvote then you can argue that i'm attacking town too
If I unvote then you can argue that im doing so to appear town
Win-Win for scum!
VOTE: Wisdom
Sorry but no.

[Wisdom]

So until your previous post you preach about how I misread town and you even link to me saying it in a postgame, yet now I'm suddenly scum?
Kay Sakura, thanks for strengthening my read.

[Sakura Hana]

Nope because you aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you just put a trap so I would get lynched no matter my reply.

[Wisdom]

Neh. I did want to see what you'd do, but it definitely wasn't a "trap".

[Sakura Hana]

Neh. I did want to see what you'd do, but it definitely wasn't a "trap".

Then why word it in such a way that you can blame me for either action.... i don't see town motivation behind this.

[Wisdom]

Those are your own creations - I simply told you you're also guilty of voting town.

[Sakura Hana]

Those are your own creations - I simply told you you're also guilty of voting town.

Not if i think Marquis is scum.

[Wisdom]

No matter what you think, he's town.

[Sakura Hana]

No matter what you think,

he's town

.

How are you so sure?

[Wisdom]

I trust my reads.

[Sakura Hana]

I trust my reads.

If you trusted them, then why are you voting me and trying to get my vote off Marquis?

[Wisdom]

I'm not trying to get your vote off anyone. I'm simply showing you how your "you're voting town" is crap, because anyone can argue that anyone is doing it.
tl;dr: you're still scum.

[Sakura Hana]

See, I knew you were trying to trap me no matter what reply I did, you're painting me as scum, you're not trying to figure out my alignment, ergo, you're scum.

[Wisdom]

Nah ergo I've figured it out already.
Tip: Even if I was scum I wouldn't know your alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

But scum doesnt care who they lynch as long as it's not their own kin, who they DO know.

[Wisdom]

If I just wanted to lynch anyone, there are many people I could push and lynch much easier, don't you think?
It's pretty clear you're not just *anyone*. You're scum.