Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

[Bert]

yeah Nacho is super obvtown, so will die N1 :C which I'm used to so I will cope with that

no GM I don't have a problem with that - but it's incredibly clear Nacho is really obvtown, and I usually hate being around when he makes me think he is possible scum cuz then i get super paranoid. sometimes the paranoia is not right since Nacho is actually town, but yeah so far i think nacho is pretty obvtown..

but the only thing is there are two scum factions... so technically u could be right... but either way hes even more likely to die given tht there are two mafia factions and if hes mafia the only one he isnt in is likely to kill him

so either way Nacho is a good bet to die tonight, so what exactly r u trying to do by discrediting him

[50 Shades of Purple]

Now can we vote Mala?

No. I'm killing Honey bee (who even you know to be scum) and the only real reason why you aren't voting her is to continue being a rebel.

[Bert]

yeah Wisdom stop being a rebel

vote Honey Bee with us, what are you stalling for huh, huh, huh

your Mala wagon is going nowhere for now

[goodmorning]

@GM: You're a meta oriented player yet you haven't meta'd me, that's interesting.

You are hilarious if you think I haven't.

For a start, and because it doesn't sound like Town-Nacho.

Don't stop there. Why doesn't it sound like Town-Nacho?

I would assume because you aren't Town.

SCUM

You see a melt-down and this is your response? Really...?

Yes. I find meltdowns inherently anti-Town at their core, and this one looks not just anti-Town but scummy as fuck. It's not the overreaction here that's scummy, she overreacts regardless of alignment, it's the timing and the flimsy excuse.

Are you saying deathtunneling isn't a valid playstyle?
And for that matter are you saying Saki doesn't have a valid playstyle?

what the fuck does this have to do with anything

Because it rather looks like she's looking for playstyle related reasons to make others look bad and herself look good.

Regardless, it appears that bee is the only one of my scumreads with a shot at being lynched today, so

Vote: Honey bee

[Wisdom]

With Honey Bee my issue is I don't know her meta. Her play does look like her scum play in Cracking Idea but there is a possibility this is just the way she plays regardless of alignment. So I'm less confident to lynch her over Mala. Mala is just scum, however, I don't see how anyone can think she's town this game.

[Bert]

THANK YOU GM

And please do share what you have meta'd about Sakura, to make sure you are putting your money where your mouth is.

@Wisdom: Kay then.

[Wisdom]

Can't say I like the popularity her wagon has either.

[Bert]

Did you say the same about NN or Marquis's wagons?

It's only 4 votes:

Nacho, me, Sakura, and GM. What's not to like

[Malakittens]

So posting fluff is a scum tell? Man that should be applied to a lot more people here.

Wis - I fluff and fluff and fluff my little heart out until I can't fluff no more when Mollies around me.
As for activity don't play that card. My activity is way low in all my games regardless of alignment.

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Sak's replace out can be considered null, but don't see it smelling like scum replace out. Looks like town frustration. I have seen people get annoyed at tunnelers in general because they are annoying.

UNVOTE: GM

She's been posting a bit more so I'm starting to think my initial scum read on her is wrong.

[Wisdom]

Regardless, it appears that bee is the only one of my scumreads with a shot at being lynched today,

your Mala wagon is going nowhere for now

Vote Mala with me and you'll see if it goes nowhere or not.

[Wisdom]

Did you say the same about NN or Marquis's wagons?

Since both of these wagons were on town, it's a given there were scum on those too, yes.

[Bert]

Kay. Will go look at past VC's then to see who were on those wagons

[Sakura Hana]

Town:
Me self-hammering due to frustration
Me breaking out due to frustration
Me snapping

Scum:
Carefully giving reads and staying calm regardless

Eagerly awaiting your counter-evidence GM

[goodmorning]

@Bert: For a start, I already have seen her as Scum in N1379, which I continued to follow after my death. I also checked out two town games of hers (M198 and N1383) and one other Scum game (N1371). Her behaviour in this game has been most similar to her behaviour in 1371, imo.

@Wisdom: Fine.

Vote: Mala

PEDIT: LOL SELF-META

[Wisdom]

So posting fluff is a scum tell?

When you're doing absolutely nothing else, yes.
What are your current scumreads? Why?

[goodmorning]

EDIT: Her behaviour here

pre-overreaction

has been most similar

[Bert]

Vote: Mala

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just showing you that you haven't done ANY meta investigation at all, or do you have any counter evidence?

[goodmorning]

^You're shitting me, right?

[Bert]

let's watch Mala flail

don't give us this "my activity is low" stuff please in your next post

[Sakura Hana]

Nope.

Also, is the mala case based on fluff or activity.

[Wisdom]

Sakura, is Mala town? Why?

[Bert]

she has been here quite often, so no it's not based on activity or fluff.

just don't like her so far

but that's gut. and since Wisdom's reads are ones that I like, I am happy to sheep him right now

BUT I don't like HB either. Still, let's watch Mala flail for now

[Bert]

Nacho are you confident in reading Mala so far this game?

[50 Shades of Purple]

I would assume because you aren't Town.

You don't have any actual reasoning then? I expected you would have something considering the games we've played together are:
Newbie 1305 (you were scum and I lynched you)
Duck Duck Goose (I was scum and I killed you before you replaced in)
Beginning of the End (You were SK and correctly read me as town but you weren't sure on that read at all)
Modless Mafia (I was in a hydra and scum. You ignored me and didn't give any read, I killed you N1).

So you haven't demonstrated any capability of being able to read me ESPECIALLY since we've never had a game where you've caught me out as scum or we've been town together and you've correctly identified me as town. So "this isn't town Nacho" isn't going to cut it; explain yourself.