Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

[Bert]

OK, so it's not guaranteed that one out of the four monks and masons is scum. Gotcha, thanks

[50 Shades of Purple]

or if a mason/monk has a strong suspicion against their partner and it's based on QT interactions.

[Wisdom]

ns has a playstyle that's generally considered scummy. I scumread the hell out of him in our first game too. But I've learned the difference now. This is town ns. He has done things (like his selfvote to test reactions, and other stuff) he wouldn't do as scum.

Look at Mala. Read her ISO. How can anyone think she's town?

^
Saki I answered to you here.
I think you don't understand what meta means, so just in case; meta is when you use past games with people to see changes or similarities in their behavior with those games, where you know what role they had.

[Saki]

ns has a playstyle that's generally considered scummy. I scumread the hell out of him in our first game too. But I've learned the difference now. This is town ns. He has done things (like his selfvote to test reactions, and other stuff) he wouldn't do as scum.

Look at Mala. Read her ISO. How can anyone think she's town?

^
Saki I answered to you here.
I think you don't understand what meta means, so just in case; meta is when you use past games with people to see changes or similarities in their behavior with those games, where you know what role they had.

die scum
.w.

[Wisdom]

The fuck?

[Wisdom]

mollie, Bert, whoever the fuck is voting goodmorning
I'm waiting to hear why goodmorning is scum
And why she's a better lynch than obvscum Mala.

[Bert]

Think it's Sakura Mollie and I

[Saki]

The fuck?

i've already said meta has nothing to do with me suspecting ns but since you guys have such hard-ons for meta i guessed i'd post mine

get to answering 1361 since you seem so eager to defend ns

[Bert]

Meh,

Vote: Malakittens

It's true Mala is worse. Bah. Mollie's reads are good too though. Dangit. Honestly, I'm confident in my townread of both of you. BAHHHHHHHHHH

[Bert]

I'm willing to sheep you two honestly, until my mind changes or otherwise

but I honestly don't like Mala or GM as I've suggested, so I wasw kinda happy Mollie decided to vote GM. I was like yay I can hop on then, I have faith in this wagon then, maybe there's enough

[notscience]

Saki you play different as a BP. You TRYYYYY to get killed.

[Saki]

Saki you play different as a BP. You TRYYYYY to get killed.

in this game you're begging for rope
i dont quite see the connection

[Bert]

Lol Saki

have you played with NS before?

honestly this is about as consistent to his townplay I remember, as I've ever seen

like so townie it can't be faked TBH

but if you revert to traditional "scummy" stuff he'll always ping your scumdar

[Saki]

fjdl;askjf;alkjfl;ksadfj

i hate meta now all of you stop talking about it
what makes you think people can't change their minds all of a sudden and play a hardcore town game as scum

[Sakura Hana]

Bert
Re: Mason/Monk
If a Town mason/monk flips then what Nacho said applies, while if a Scum Monk/Wolf Mason flips, the other one is GUARANTEED to be town.

[Saki]

gaaah stop dragging me into this i already said meta wasn't my main argument against ns either

[Sakura Hana]

Saki:
Do me a favor and ISO notscience on this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5025542 he was town.

[50 Shades of Purple]

50 shades - Where is Nacho I WANT NACHO SO I CAN JUST READ HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH
Oh, there's Nacho. I don't know that I like 242

I didn't like this because she has a scumread on me for not liking one of my posts, yet has never followed up on this to any extent except when I have specifically questioned her on her read of me here.

Also: IN MULTIBALL NOBODY GETS TOWNCRED FOR GOOD READS DUH

brb, laughing myself to death

Dude, a 1 for 1 on a weak townie is the shittiest tradeoff ever. Now if you were accusing me of doing that to the hydra or Mala, that would almost be a good strategy now that I think about it.

don't really like the discrediting here.

I think you're Town, but obvs weak since there's a big fucking wagon on you.

"I think you're town but not town enough for me to actually engage your wagon!" is generally a giant sign of white knighting.

I don't like that this is a policy lynch gaining traction at this point in the day.
What I like even less is you championing it.
But what I like least of all is the fact that I'm even considering getting on it.

Um.

People keep fluffposting for no discernable reason. Sakura is Scum, Mafia in particular. bee leans Scum. Mala leans Scum. Marquis is really fucking annoying.
50 I'm not sure on, but I have a light scumread on them at this point.

Oh, look. Not a single change from the original scumlist! Which means no reanalyzing, no second thoughts, no anything.

Primarily because Nacho. I'm fairly decent at being able to tell when he's Town, and I'm not getting townvibes off him

She's able to tell I am TOWN but has only gotten to read me as town once, when she was a serial killer and paranoid as shit. She then claims she can read me from a correct read on me as scum from a deadthread when a townie was her stronger 90% scum suspicion and I was an afterthought. When I ask her to describe specific meta tells, she gives me nothing because it's all a load of bullshit.

SCUM

Becomes incredibly confident that Sakura is scum, but doesn't engage the people calling her town at all. And when Wisdom moves off, what happens?

Regardless, it appears that bee is the only one of my scumreads with a shot at being lynched today, so

Vote: Honey bee

She opportunistically immediately goes to compromise.

@Bert: For a start, I already have seen her as Scum in N1379, which I continued to follow after my death. I also checked out two town games of hers (M198 and N1383) and one other Scum game (N1371). Her behaviour in this game has been most similar to her behaviour in 1371, imo.

@Wisdom: Fine.

Vote: Mala

PEDIT: LOL SELF-META

...twice. She is not sheeping me, trusting me, anything like that. She is voting with us because she doesn't think she can get Sakura lynched on her own even though she hasn't appealed to a single person about the case.

[Saki]

i already said meta wasn't my main argument against ns either

[Sakura Hana]

The thing is that meta is OUR main argument for his townyness.

[Nachopappa]

OH RIGHT

WISDOM I REMEMBER WHY I THOUGHT GM WAS SCUM

that crap about "Nacho doesnt look town"

HOW in her right mind with all her experience with Nacho can she NOT tell that Nacho is town

only possible reason is to discredit Nacho

like seriously, WOW

Vote: GoodMorning

Now I remember....

yeah, worse than Mala... Mala's remark on me pinged my scumdar but this is worse IMO way way worse

[Saki]

^ who is this i dont even

[Nachopappa]

AND also Nacho's showing us his archives of how GM has not been able to "tell or read" Nacho's alignment like she has claimed she has

and THANK YOU Sakura, YES, Meta is the main reason for NS's townread

[Bert]

AND also Nacho's showing us his archives of how GM has not been able to "tell or read" Nacho's alignment like she has claimed she has

and THANK YOU Sakura, YES, Meta is the main reason for NS's townread

OH RIGHT

WISDOM I REMEMBER WHY I THOUGHT GM WAS SCUM

that crap about "Nacho doesnt look town"

HOW in her right mind with all her experience with Nacho can she NOT tell that Nacho is town

only possible reason is to discredit Nacho

like seriously, WOW

Vote: GoodMorning

Now I remember....

yeah, worse than Mala... Mala's remark on me pinged my scumdar but this is worse IMO way way worse

That's me. Darn it what am I thinking...

[Bert]

Dang it I have done this five times.