Micro 199 Nonsensical Narnia Day 4

[goodmorning]

...fruit vendor?



Really?



WTF. Just... I can't.

Vote confirmed.

[Kdub]

It can confirm that you are a fruit vendor. Fruit vendor is alignment non-indicative.

It confirms that I can't perform the scum kill. But whatever, I said a fullclaim wouldn't change anyone's mind (and really, it shouldn't).

Going to quote this again for tomorrow:

I'll accept the lynch today if that's what's going to happen, provided that tomorrow, you look at my interaction with GM over the past several pages and realize how dishonest her attacks are and how inconsistent she has been on her opinions of me/BRO.

ffery, you were talking about forming a town bloc earlier. If you want an actual town bloc, it's pretty much you, MC, TMT, bork, and maybe (HUGE maybe) AS. Do NOT put BRO anywhere near your town bloc unless new objective information arises.

[fferyllt]

kdub, ow much experience do you have playing with either head of the AS hydra? What's your basis for thinking it's a huge maybe? That their case on you isn't well explained/reasoned?

[Kdub]

kdub, ow much experience do you have playing with either head of the AS hydra? What's your basis for thinking it's a huge maybe? That their case on you isn't well explained/reasoned?

I don't believe I've played with either. I say it's a huge maybe because my read on AS is much weaker than my reads on the others I mentioned. MC and TMT are town due to the nature or manner of their claims. I think you have demonstrated town-motivated effort through your willingness to investigate meta and to reason out possible scenarios, plus your thought process appears genuine to me. I think bork is town for similar reasons. I don't feel as strongly about AS, but the hydra dissonance does strike me as genuine, and their attacks on me, though wrong, are not inherently scummy. AS is much more of a "feel" read than anything.

My point is, a townbloc should be made up of players significantly more likely than random to be town. I would probably bet even money that AS is more likely than random to be town than scum, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about it.

[Kdub]

...fruit vendor.

It can confirm that you are a fruit vendor. Fruit vendor is alignment non-indicative.

I'm actually going to highlight this BRO post because this is a fairly subtle twist. I straight-up said outright that my role would not absolutely confirm that I am town, so I don't know why BRO would try to act as if he thought I said it would. Also, I think he's experienced enough to know what the utility of a fruit vendor is and why it COULD clear me at some point, so I think he's just playing dumb here.

[fferyllt]

kdub, ow much experience do you have playing with either head of the AS hydra? What's your basis for thinking it's a huge maybe? That their case on you isn't well explained/reasoned?

I don't believe I've played with either. I say it's a huge maybe because my read on AS is much weaker than my reads on the others I mentioned. MC and TMT are town due to the nature or manner of their claims. I think you have demonstrated town-motivated effort through your willingness to investigate meta and to reason out possible scenarios, plus your thought process appears genuine to me. I think bork is town for similar reasons. I don't feel as strongly about AS, but the hydra dissonance does strike me as genuine, and their attacks on me, though wrong, are not inherently scummy. AS is much more of a "feel" read than anything.

My point is, a townbloc should be made up of players significantly more likely than random to be town. I would probably bet even money that AS is more likely than random to be town than scum, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about it.

I have a fair bit of experience playing with both of them, including games where they were scum. I'm paranoid as fuck about mara, but feel semi-confident about being able to read GiF. I hope. Having a town read on the pair is not something I expected when the game started no matter what their actual alignment. But, I do have a town read.

I've played one game with bork and he was in a hydra with GiF in that game. I was dead on night 1, so we didn't actually interact much in that game. They were town. I'm less sure from a meta perspective about him, but his posts so far look like they come from a town mindset.

This is one of the more town-sounding posts you've made. :/

Fruit vendor seems to be a fad role right now. This is the third game I've played since January where someone has claimed it. Last time although the player was actually a fruit vendor, he was also scum. Four players from that game are playing this one.

[Kdub]

Fruit vendor seems to be a fad role right now. This is the third game I've played since January where someone has claimed it. Last time although the player was actually a fruit vendor, he was also scum. Four players from that game are playing this one.

I've never seen a mafia fruit vendor, but I concede that it's plausible (probably in larger games). It would look pretty bad for that player if they were the last mafia left and suddenly can't give out fruit anymore (or the scum kill suddenly stops happening at night).

[fferyllt]

It was a large game. The player was a one-shot fruit vendor so the question about missing gifts or missing kills never came up.

set up and balance thoughts are making my head hurt.

[Kdub]

Actually, I have a question for everyone voting me. Do you think I am lying about my role, or that I am telling the truth but am scum?

[fferyllt]

I think you are telling the truth about your role.

I'm not sure about your being scum. There isn't time to form another wagon given player availability. It's you or MC today. I think you are more likely to be scum than he is due to the role claims. I think there's a good case for lynching him anyway despite that because we'll have to lynch him soon no matter what.

[MC RIDE]

I am here and can always vote myself if you are in for a speedlynch

[MC RIDE]

And I don't want a stupid kdub lynch. I'm Tash, cooler than Aslan but unfortunately hated.

VOTE: MC RIDE

[Kdub]

There isn't time to form another wagon given player availability. It's you or MC today.

Again, it's plurality lynch at the deadline. There is no threat of a no lynch. We don't need to compromise today. Vote for who you think is scum.

I'm mostly interested in BRO and GM's opinion on whether I am lying about my claim or not. Note the stark difference in GM's approach toward me since the deadline extension, and the fact that she is posting all over the site elsewhere but not here.

pedit: MC, I don't want to lynch you today. If there is a vig in the game, they could kill you and not waste a lynch. I'd honestly rather take the lynch today and expose GM rather than have to go through this shit again tomorrow when I use my power and people go "that doesn't prove you aren't scum!".

[MC RIDE]

However, considering HunterxHunter actually had a scum fruit vendor I think I will read kdub some more

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

[MC RIDE]

welp

UNVOTE:

[MC RIDE]

kdub, what do you think about AS? I'm pretty sure she's scum if you're town.

[Kdub]

Unrelated: I also submitted Tash as one of my other three character choices

[Kdub]

kdub, what do you think about AS? I'm pretty sure she's scum if you're town.

Leaning town. Again, I think their attack on me is wrong, but it's not dishonest. Why do you think they are scum if I am town?

[MC RIDE]

The sudden jump on you

and balance reasons.

I wish we had enough manpower to lynch bro and force him to shoot goodmorning. I like even numbers, they negate my negative utility.

[MC RIDE]

fun fact: Aslan means lion in my language (oh snap)

[MC RIDE]

we have 6 hours left, care to give reads about everyone here, kdub?

[Kdub]

The sudden jump on you

and balance reasons.

Meh, it wasn't really that sudden. The two heads have been fairly consistent as individuals, it's just the hydra as a whole that has issues, which is probably a slight town tell if anything.

Not sure what you're getting at with balance reasons. We don't know nearly enough about the setup yet.

Reads:
MC - town due to claim
TMT - town due to timing of claim, though not happy with his play so far
ffery - town due to general effort and thought process
bork - probably town, same reasons as ffery, though less strongly so
AS - leaning town, not entirely confident about this one
AA - complete unknown, needs to post way more
GM - scum for reasons I've elaborated on greatly
BRO - probably scum due to connections with GM, inconsistent/backtracking on reasons for voting me

[BROseidon]

I'm mostly interested in BRO and GM's opinion on whether I am lying about my claim or not. Note the stark difference in GM's approach toward me since the deadline extension, and the fact that she is posting all over the site elsewhere but not here.

Truth about fruit vendor, lying about alignment.

Also your comment about submitting Tash feels off considering that I did not get a character that I submitted to Rach. Not sure if there is scum motivation in that or if something else is off with the way the setup was done that would let us figure shit out.

Actually, while we're at it since I've already role claimed:

Did anyone submit Reepicheep as their character? I did not, but rolled him this game.

[fferyllt]

I submitted Reepicheep as one of my three.

[Kdub]

Truth about fruit vendor, lying about alignment.

Also your comment about submitting Tash feels off considering that I did not get a character that I submitted to Rach. Not sure if there is scum motivation in that or if something else is off with the way the setup was done that would let us figure shit out.

Actually, while we're at it since I've already role claimed:

Did anyone submit Reepicheep as their character? I did not, but rolled him this game.

Care to explain 422? Do you understand the utility of a fruit vendor?

I was under the assumption that the reason for submitting three names was in the event of multiple people submitting the same character, but maybe that isn't the case.

While you did volunteer the information freely, I'm having trouble seeing Reepicheep as a vengeful townie. Reepicheep was all about honor and dignity. Vengeful townie is definitely not a role I would associate with that.