Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:28 am

Exactly, so HOW THE FUCK can I be scum?

jmo16mla · Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:45 am

In post 1098, TheIrishPope wrote:Oh you got me I am scum ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID
Man the loopholes in this logic
Making assumptions before a flip is not Town motivated at all
You fail to mention that N64 DID NOT POST and COULDN'T HAVE HAMMERED
You fail to mention the possibility that two scum might be voting me
And me at L-1 does not a scum make
Try again, jmo

I said n64 didn't post. I was voting you the second time. With gen being able to hammer. He didn't. So he wasn't scum quick hammering. The firs time, gen was voting you with n64. Me and tamuz didn't quick hammer you. We are town in that situation.

N64 didn't post correct.

But, lets say n64 is was scum, about to quick hammer, and couldn't because I unvoted. Who's his scum partner? Right, one of the confirmed towns in the situation. Kay.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:50 am

What if you and Gen are scum partners?

jmo16mla · Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:54 am

If you were town, you would have been hammered by scum jmo or scum tamuz the first time you were at L-1. You weren't.

The second time you were at L-1, with me and n64 being on your wagon, scum gen wolf or scum tamuz could have hammered you. They didn't.

That leaves us with TWO. COUNT THEM EVERYONE, TWO PEOPLE. Who didn't get a chance to hammer. You and N64.

Your argument was that N64 couldn't quick hammer because he didn't post. Well uh, the rest of us HADN'T quick hammered when we all had the chance. So uh, if you think N64 is scum and was going to quick hammer you, who's his scum partner? One of the guys who already had their chance at winning the game by hammering you earlier? No. Lolz.

One scum down. Don't vote him yet though. Still working on his scum partner.

jmo16mla · Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:55 am

In post 1102, TheIrishPope wrote:What if you and Gen are scum partners?

Well, why didn't I hammer you when gen and N64 were both voting you?

jmo16mla · Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:56 am

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:00 am

There's something wrong here, you're not seeing both sides of the situation! Because I know I am not scum, so there must be another explanation!

jmo16mla · Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:03 am

In post 1106, TheIrishPope wrote:There's something wrong here, you're not seeing both sides of the situation! Because I know I am not scum, so there must be another explanation!

Well, you go find that situation. You've got untill deadline.

Meanwhile, no one. And I mean no one vote.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:04 am

But, the thing is your argument is making assumptions that lead to circular reasoning but I'm not sure how to explain it to

jmo16mla · Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:09 am

There are no assumptions. Like I said, unless someone posted an didn't realize they could hammer, my theory is perfect.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:10 am

See? That "unless" is an assumption!

jmo16mla · Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:14 am

Lol. Now you're really grasping at shit. Good game though.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:16 am

I'm not sure what else to tell you...
GG scum

jmo16mla · Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:24 am

Nobody Special · Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:10 am

Votecount 3.09

Gen_Wolf - 1 - Tamuz
Tamuz - 1 - Gen_Wolf
TheIrishPope - 1 - N64Lord

Not Voting: TheIrishPope, jmo16mla

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-28 04:13:05)

Tamuz · Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:56 am

jmo16mla wrote: If TIP is town:
1.Jmo isn't scum
2.Tamuz isn't scum
3.Gen wolf isn't scum.

obviously, at least one of the above(isn't scums) is scum.

Writing explicitly (somewhat thinking aloud for myself). Given the assumption that scum would hammer a townie in lylo we get:

N64 is not scumteam with [jmo16mla, tamuz, gen_wolf]
jmo16mla is not scumteam with [n64_lord, gen_wolf, Tamuz]
gen_wolf is not scumteam with [n64_lord, jmo16mla, Tamuz]
tamuz is not scumteam with [n64_lord, gen_wolf, jmo16mla]

leaving us the following possibilities.
N64_lord is scum with [TIP]
jmo16mla is scum with [TIP]
gen_wolf is scum with [TIP]
tamuz is scum with [TIP]
TIP is scum with [jmo16mla, Tamuz, Gen_Wolf, N64_lord]

So yep, no problem with your logic, even if TIP has problems with it. His issue from post 1098 doesn't pan out because 2 scum could vote him but with two timegaps with posts from jmo and gen posting with [N64, Gen] and [N64, jmo] voting him. If either of the two were partnered with the other or with N64 they had chance to 1-vote hammer. (1-vote to distinguish away from a coordinated 2-votes in sequence)

jmo16mla wrote:That leaves us with TWO. COUNT THEM EVERYONE, TWO PEOPLE. Who didn't get a chance to hammer. You and N64.

Slight flaw here, TIP had plenty of chances to hammer himself, he did not (which is of course important). AFAICT caught scum won't self-hammer for 2 reasons:
1. They want to give their partner the ability to get towncred from the scum lynch.
2. They believe they can buddy hard enough to set up a townie tomorrow.

So since you wanted me to comment, re:

In post 1096, jmo16mla wrote:You just completely ignored my case.

theres my comment. Our logics match. Its also segues into something I've said for while now. The better lynch is on who I think the partner is.

jmo16mla · Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:24 pm

Soo, you can cross me off of that list. Lol i just did a helluf a lot of reasoning just to point out my scum partner is scum, in lylo.

Tamuz · Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:46 pm

No.
The list has to do with logical inference based solely on the assumption that scum would hammer a townie today. Whether or not I believe a person to be town or scum is not relevant to that list (you can see I listed myself). It is completely without my personal judgment.

If you want a list of who I think are scum, well just look at my vote.

N64Lord · Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:51 am

We do have to come to a compromise, since town loses at no lynch as well. Gen wolf's answers to questions are evasive, and I don't feel like his omgus vote on you is on a genuine scumspect of his. TIP hasn't dne anything original enough for me to think of hm as town though.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:53 am

What do you mean by "original"?

Tamuz · Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:16 am

In post 1118, N64Lord wrote:We do have to come to a compromise, since town loses at no lynch as well. Gen wolf's answers to questions are evasive, and I don't feel like his omgus vote on you is on a genuine scumspect of his. TIP hasn't dne anything original enough for me to think of hm as town though.

I would certainly vote TIP before a no-lynch, refusing to lynch is an instant loss. Jmo has been active enough that I'm not worried about his vote, the worry is the townie in [Gen_Wolf, N64_Lord] because you guys are really lurky.

I know its broken record, but I think Gen is the better lynch of TIP and Gen, but I would certainly lynch TIP before [nolynch, Tamuz, jmo16mla, N64_Lord].

TheIrishPope · Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:26 am

If I die
You all die

jmo16mla · Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:44 am

Tamuz, you're TIPS partner trying to convince us that a confirmed scum shouldn't be voted. Now, vote TIP.

Tamuz · Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:55 am

How do my actions make any sense as his partner?

Not my votes, my actions.

jmo16mla · Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:00 am

Well, you wanted to hardbuss him early on. Meh, you don't even vote him. Then you call out gen for being scum. And now you're trying to convince us that someone who isn't confirmed scum is today's lynch. Not seeing town motivation behind that.