Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

[Saki]

this self-voting and defeatism is contagious

first noctan, bert, now you.

[Wisdom]

Well I don't see it as normal. She was fucking frustrated because of my tunnel yet she didn't scumread me. And THEN she decides to scumread me.

if i hate someone i scumread them

Well that's stupid.

[Wisdom]

Except Sakura is not even being voted, so being self-defeatist is unwarranted. It's just an act.

[Saki]

we all know that you two hate each other now shaddup c:

[Saki]

Except Sakura is not even being voted, so being self-defeatist is unwarranted. It's just an act.

I don't believe she's any more capable of putting on such an act as you two are capable of not talking to each other

[Wisdom]

I don't hate Sakura (or anyone). I just think she's scum.

But since you mentioned that someone can scumread people out of hate, and I guess it could happen even if I find it stupid, I'll suggest one thing to Sakura:

If she's town, she should replace out.
If you hate people, you should not play with them. You will only hurt the game.

[50 Shades of Purple]

I see myself as a weaker voice because I don't have very much experience on this site. More experienced players are less likely to consider what I have to say, and actually seem to prefer conversations that exclude me. Often, I bring up who I think is scum, and it gets largely ignored, or blown off as me giving off lots of noise rather than actually hunting scum.
The suffocation of a weak voice refers to when people discredit me, or other players who aren't given much town-merit. Something along the lines of what Orc is doing, where he considers everything I have to say as absurd, rather than, you know, holding some sort of content or approach. It's especially bad when personal assaults are tied in, as it makes me not want to do work for town because town doesn't care/will treat me like crap whenever I do. The same goes for people treating other players that way. Suffocation is a way of keeping town that could have a say from wanting to participate, and, therefore, reads as scummy to me.
I feel I am a weak voice because I can't start a wagon, no matter how much evidence or text or effort I pour into it. I can put a vote, but people won't buy it unless it's backed by one of the 'bigger' players.

okay I think I can help here cos I know what is like to feel left out. and I don't mean crazy in a pejorative way, I think orc is batshit insane sometimes but I love him and love playing with him.

what is happening is that nacho/orc/mac/us all have town reads on each other and are actively trying to work together. imagine all of us huddled in a group, facing out with guns cocked and loaded....moving in a herd. it would take a cop read for us to back from our town reads on each other. if you do any online gaming nacho is tanking, mac and I are dpsing and orc is guarding our rear with a cannon. nacho is trying to pull people in and move scum out. we are trying bottleneck scum's options by not giving them any room to hide. we are trying to pave the way for a town win.

what makes a strong player is not starting and leading bws or running gambits. what makes a strong player are players who know how to find town and work with others so that town can control the lynches, not scum. different people lead at different times and play different roles and all of those are necessary and good. town wins as a team and loses as a team. when people play their roles well, town wins.

town generally moves in herds, that is why it is scums job to get in there stir up wifom and get the herd dispersed and disorganised

. we are trying to make that does not happen. ever.

stop it with the gambits all those usually do is give scum room to hide, stop sulking cos you feel like no one is listening to you or following you and come join our team cos nacho wants to give you a gun but I am afraid you will shoot us in the back over ungrounded paranoia. but w/e...from here on out it is your choice.

I hope this makes sense.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... s#p4989223

probably one of my stronger games other than when I led town to a flawless victory in micros. it is what makes wis's attempts to discredit so funny. there is a reason why nacho will listen to me mebbe people ought to think about that.

[Saki]

I don't hate many people, only a select few.
It takes a lot to get under my skin >_>

Wisdom, stop. This is not the time to be calling for a policy lynch on Sakura.

and seriously you two have made the same argument against each other for like what 10 pages

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
Bah w/e, Wisdom is just gonna keep screwing with my mind, Nacho please enlighten me.

[Wisdom]

This is not the time to be calling for a policy lynch on Sakura.

Where the fuck did you see such a thing?
I'll never PL anyone.

[Saki]

If she's town, she should replace out.

yer justifying a policy lynch here.

[Wisdom]

Nope. I'm against any kind of policy lynching. I will not lynch Sakura if she doesn't replace out - I'm just saying that this is the best thing to do if she's town and all she has said about me were genuine. But for the record, I don't believe they were.

[Saki]

Nope. I'm against any kind of policy lynching. I will not lynch Sakura if she doesn't replace out - I'm just saying that this is the best thing to do if she's town and all she has said about me were genuine. But for the record, I don't believe they were.

180 much

[Sakura Hana]

Except that fits perfectly fine for a scum wisdom, getting rid of town, piece by piece...

[50 Shades of Purple]

Maybe i should have replaced out...
I'm just gonna add Wisdom to foe list so i dont have to read his posts...

I am quite honestly considering doing this too.

and if he is town then I am going to blacklist him too. first person I will have ever done that to.

[Saki]

Yes, I think I know what you mean.

please answer...?

still waiting for answer, wis

[Wisdom]

Why mollie? Because after you lost to me you decided to scumread me in every game? Sure, if that's a reason to blacklist me because you can't read me anymore, go right ahead.

[Sakura Hana]

Im guessing Wisdom's strategy is to force people into replacing out due to frustration then he can just play with newbies that he can manipulate easily

[Saki]

Im guessing Wisdom's strategy is to force people into replacing out due to frustration then he can just play with newbies that he can manipulate easily

the hell?

[Wisdom]

Nope. I'm against any kind of policy lynching. I will not lynch Sakura if she doesn't replace out - I'm just saying that this is the best thing to do if she's town and all she has said about me were genuine. But for the record, I don't believe they were.

180 much

How the fuck is that an 180?

[Wisdom]

Im guessing Wisdom's strategy is to force people into replacing out due to frustration then he can just play with newbies that he can manipulate easily

Yeah, that must be it.
Sakura, really, if you're town and you're saying these things... I have no comments.

[Saki]

if you're town and you're saying these things... I have no comments.

*cough* *cough*

[Sakura Hana]

50: Do you know if we can use WotC in this situation?

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, wisdom's really starting to annoy me a lot

[50 Shades of Purple]

Why mollie? Because after you lost to me you decided to scumread me in every game? Sure, if that's a reason to blacklist me because you can't read me anymore, go right ahead.

nope. cos you are being ass and if you really think that my game is that bad and you are going to discredit me in games

as town

then I don't want to be anywhere the fuck near you.