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Why did you feel the need to specifically use Bacde's name? Sean is lurking horribly so yeah, I have my doubts but idk...it doesn't seem as scummy as the other slots. Though I do vaguely remember him being lurky as scum.In post 5031, penguin_alien wrote:What about Seanald? I know he's voting your preferred lynch, Nero Cain, but how is he not on this list where Bacde, for example, is? And I keep reading the back-and-forth between you and Bulbazak, and it's so focused on you disagreeing about the hypothetical composition of the neighborhoods and how you both have voted/been suspicious of others as a result.
I don't think that me and Bulb were arguing over his theory, I actually like his theory and think its plausible. What we were arguing over is him "dropping" it and "not willing to pick it back up" despite having Sean as a scum read. And he later some what contradicts himself when he claims that the reason he's "not willing to dive back into his theory" is 'cause he wants to lynch based on actual tells and not his theory but he was scum reading Sean for scumtelling.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Bulbazak is at L-1!
<<< Since Seanald has posted before a replacement was found, he keeps his spot. However, that was strike two. If he fails to meet activity standards again, he WILL be replaced. >>>
One-Hundred-Thirty-Fifth Votecount:(Seventeenth Votecount of Day Four,AKA, the "Now don't tick off the mod by going inactive." votecount.)
Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 5 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, PeregrineV, Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
With15alive, it's8to lynch.
Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
Last votecount was page 214, post 5325.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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Spoiler: Vote History D4Last edited by mastin2 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.My academy.
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I'm holding you to this tomorrow, because...In post 5272, Nachomamma8 wrote:
and here we are with another opportunity to lynch him and instead you're trying to lynch bulbazak.In post 5271, Desperado wrote:Yeah, and I'm angry that Nacho reads him as scum but was nowhere to be found yesterday when I was trying to lynch him.
why not let me make up for my mistakes and lynch him now?
In post 5326, Seanald wrote:
scum buddies don wanna bus dude.In post 5323, Human Destroyer wrote:Serious question: How isn't Bulba hammered already?
^there isn't a big enough for this shit. Seanald put on a nice show in the QT overnight and appeared to have committed himself to the game, and then he does nothing but sheep a post I made about Bulb and whatever these two posts were meant to do.In post 5327, Seanald wrote:
kind of all over the place there.In post 5325, mastin2 wrote:ThAdmiral - 1 (Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
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Bulbazak is at L-2!
Rena is at L-2.
One-Hundred-Thirty-Sixth Votecount:(Eighteenth Votecount of Day Four,AKA, the "Important enough change to warrant a second votecount" votecount.)
Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 6 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, PeregrineV, Baezu, Desperado)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
With15alive, it's8to lynch.
Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Bulbazakwould be lynched.
Last votecount was page 215, post 5352.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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You can lynch me if you think it will bring the town information. Out of interest what will you do when I flip town watcher? I suggest looking at those on my wagon, particularly Nacho and Ceph. CTD is most likely town, try not to lynch him. I don't trust Penguin or Seanald though. I doubt every scum left will be on either mine or Bulbz wagon, there will be at least one floating around elsewhere.V/LA at the weekend, except for modding duties.- Baezu
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I mostly think Thad is scum for his fakeclaim.
Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:
If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.In post 5236, Nachomamma8 wrote:PV you wanna vote Rena?
You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.
I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.
Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum. I'm changing my vote to:
VOTE: Seanald
because of a lot of things, not the least of which is this gem:
In post 4863, Seanald wrote:Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.- Baezu
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Umm...In post 5357, Baezu wrote:Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:
how is that scummy?
and what is your read on us? I was basically doing the exact same thing to now flipped town yet you havn't called me out on it?
VOTE: Rena
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In post 5335, Nachomamma8 wrote:
6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.In post 5289, Bulbazak wrote:We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?
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Why are you voting Rena?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 5124, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Cephrir
PeregrineV (DLG)
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Seanald
Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)
all remaining scum is somewhere in this group I think
Scum-list, recently I might add CTD But I kinda don't wanna. Mala has been having reservations on Fuzzy all game, and despite how much I wanna believe Fuzzy was town, Rena's recent play has made me reconsider a bit. I doubt she's lying about being a watcher, but I don't think she's a town watcher- Nero Cain
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pretty much the bolded. *I* didn't understand why you said you would and then didn't and then kept on ignoring me when I asked for an explanation which made me feel like you were hiding something, idk. I just felt it was strange but this explanation is sufficient. Dunno why you are being defensive about it but me.In post 5006, CrashTextDummie wrote:
So it's aNero Cain wrote:Maybe 'cause no one else was like "I'LL PROVIDE THE CONTENT OF MY QT!!!" So I'm confused as to why you said you'd do this, then didn't and why you wanted/needed Slan's permission.matter of principleis what you're saying, "CTD said he would, so it's scummy that he doesn't". You don't have any particular interest in the content of our QT vis-a-vis the others. Am I getting this right?
I was going to summarize our QT in the interest of full disclosure because I wanted to lynch Slandaar at the time. When i realized my mistake, there was no reason to go through with it anymore. Slandaar shared some reads with me on N1 that he didn't want out in the open, hence why I wanted to discuss it with him first.
Again, tell me why you find this scummy.
?????
We are in agreement that Bulba adjusted his reads in a way that doesn't feel kosher, but your deductions don't make much sense at all. Specifically, I don't see any reason why you're not considering Seanald/Despo as Bulba-buddies. The fact that he's not trying to get Seanald lynched despite having him as a scumread along with you strikes me as odd because it would give him further insight into the validity of his theory. This could mean that he's scum with Seanald, but it also makes sense if he's scum with Despo (not wanting to lynch into his neighborhood because it reduces his breathing room).Nero Cain wrote:Are you REALLY giving a reason that Bulb would backtrack? Context says you two are full of it. He's STILL town reading Thad and PV BECAUSE of his theory. AND he's still believes that Sean is scum and in his theory he thinks both teams have a undercover hoodling. So if he believes that and is unwilling revisit THAD or PV then you are the POE scum. I think its likely he has a buddy in you or PV. I'm also not arguing about him setting up a lynch on you. I'm saying that in his theory he has you listed as scum and now he's backing away from calling you scum for some reason.
The fact that you don't even consider this tells me that a)you are not actually thinking things through in a pro-town manner and b)you are going out of your way to tie people to Bulba.
Furthermore, Bulba's play is pretty obviously designed to keep me lynchable down the road (or rather make me lynchable in the first place), making it even more dubious that you'd zero in on me as a Bulba-buddy.
So Bulb never joined the Sean wagon yesterday? I'll have to look into that.
I think your theory that Bulb is bussin' one of Desp/Sean is sound and to be honest I never though about it. But I think its really fucking odd that you are calling me scummy for that especially when you are all "woe is me, Bulb is trying keep me lynchable" So why do you think I'm scummy as opposed to "falling for his trap"?
I don't think I've ever dodged this. I think Slan's explanation that "we should assume the max # of scum" was craptastic and the fact that scum already tried to push a 7-8 man scum game made me fairly suspicious. In hindsight, I goofed but its ok 'cause we can lynch Bulbscum today.Answer this question straight up, because you've dodged the fuck out of it, Nero:
Why was your vote on Slandaar at the end of the day and not on Bulba? You had to concede the only reason you had given to suspect Slandaar and you had been making a strong case and push against Bulba up until the deadline frenzy.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Arguing against Rena's lynch is getting tiresome when she is barely doing anything about it herself. But I'm nevertheless going to reiterate that lynching her is strategically a very dumb move regardless of what your read on her is. Even if she's scum, she's severely limiting the extent to which the other scum team and her own can tamper with ThAd tonight. This is the scum's mess to sort out and I really don't see why we want to make life easier for them while very possibly cutting into our own flesh in the process. The only scenarios in which this doesn't apply is if Rena is herself a roleblocker or the last member of blue scum, which would be extraordiny luck.
The more I think about it, the more I can't get over how little sense Nacho's speculation/justification for pushing this lynch makes. Nacho suggests that ThAd was blocked by the scum team Rena isn't a part of. This would have been a tremendous, tremendous risk on their part considering that ThAd was Rena's logical target. Nacho suggests that Rena lied about her target because she caught a town PR and wants to keep it secret so her team can safely NK it. This is just plain illogical, because a) she wants town cred (which a successful watch would give) and b) outing a PR doesn't interfere with her possibility to kill it (unless she thinks there's another protective role in addition to KK).
The alternative theory in which Rena is scum is that her own team blocked ThAd, in which case her claim to have targeted him herself with no result makes no sense at all, for similar reasons. All theories involving Rena-scum basically assume that she's falling on her own sword for no apparent reason, and I really don't see why this is supposed to be more likely than scenarios that have KK in the mix and allow for her to be town.
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Nero, I hate to be pendantic, but I'd like this answered as well:In post 5006, CrashTextDummie wrote:
Then why don't you? It would take you all of 5 minutes to check every game I've played in the last 3 years. If you actually thought there was a possibility of catching me with my pants down, there's no reason why you wouldn't have investigated it already.In post 4996, Nero Cain wrote: ????
Why is it nonsensical? I'm fairly certain that I'm able to read. Lets say I go through your games and find a FN. Why or why not should we auto lynch you?
Defending against an accusation =/= being defensiveIn post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:pretty much the bolded. *I* didn't understand why you said you would and then didn't and then kept on ignoring me when I asked for an explanation which made me feel like you were hiding something, idk. I just felt it was strange but this explanation is sufficient. Dunno why you are being defensive about it but me.
You tried to draw connections from Bulba's play, so obviously you did think about it. You didn't think it through, which is exactly my point. I call it scummy because it looked like you were spin doctoring the situation to push an agenda, cherry-picking aspects of his play and omitting those that disagreed with what you were pushing. You are right that you not seeing what I consider obvious doesn't have to be a scum tell. But applying twisted logic to a situation is in my book.In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:I think your theory that Bulb is bussin' one of Desp/Sean is sound and to be honest I never though about it. But I think its really fucking odd that you are calling me scummy for that especially when you are all "woe is me, Bulb is trying keep me lynchable" So why do you think I'm scummy as opposed to "falling for his trap"?
Yeah, I know why you voted Slandaar. The issue here is why you thought this made him a better lynch than Bulba after you posted this:In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think I've ever dodged this. I think Slan's explanation that "we should assume the max # of scum" was craptastic and the fact that scum already tried to push a 7-8 man scum game made me fairly suspicious. In hindsight, I goofed but its ok 'cause we can lynch Bulbscum today.
That's the part you've been dodging.In post 4710, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, I just did the math. 6 is only 25%. 8 is 33.33333333333%. So 8 is more likely than 6. Slandaar is prob red scum with Cephir and two of Khan/Nacho/Rena/CTD/Bacde
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^ What he said in my defense.
Hm, the only way I could see both myself and ThAd being blocked is if either both scum factions have a roleblocker or if one scum and the town have one.
With regards to scum numbers, I've been thinking 1/4 of the game are scum just because that's how I form games.
I still want to know what you'll do tomorrow when I flip town.V/LA at the weekend, except for modding duties.- Cephrir
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CTD, is Rena paying you for acting as her defense attorney? Or is is a pro bono case?In post 5366, Rena wrote:^ What he said in my defense.
Or, you know, the town jailkeeper who just flipped... (that or you're lying scum rather than truthful scum)In post 5366, Rena wrote: Hm, the only way I could see both myself and ThAd being blocked is if either both scum factions have a roleblocker or if one scum and the town have one."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Desperado
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Do you typically not pay attention to games where you're a claimed town PR that hasn't produced any results yet?In post 5366, Rena wrote:^ What he said in my defense.
Hm, the only way I could see both myself and ThAd being blocked is if either both scum factions have a roleblocker or if one scum and the town have one.
With regards to scum numbers, I've been thinking 1/4 of the game are scum just because that's how I form games.
I still want to know what you'll do tomorrow when I flip town.- Nero Cain
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I'm pretty sure I said that I didn't really care who dies. Is this one of those "y u no vote my buddy?!?" 'cause I've seen those from scum before.In post 5365, CrashTextDummie wrote: Nero, I hate to be pendantic, but I'd like this answered as well:
I've been lazy.In post 5006, CrashTextDummie wrote:
Then why don't you? It would take you all of 5 minutes to check every game I've played in the last 3 years. If you actually thought there was a possibility of catching me with my pants down, there's no reason why you wouldn't have investigated it already.In post 4996, Nero Cain wrote: ????
Why is it nonsensical? I'm fairly certain that I'm able to read. Lets say I go through your games and find a FN. Why or why not should we auto lynch you?
So Bulb is all like "hey guize I has a wonderful theory that both teams have a scummer in the hoods. I think Thad/PV is a town/town hood and therefore there is scum in the other two hoods." Then when Slan flips town he's all like "hey wait a second, I don't want to pursue this." So according to his theory, then you are scum, but he's backing off you. Why? Lets says that one of Despo/Sean is his scum buddy, then he's prob correct that each team has a scum buddy in the hoods. So you'd still be scum, just not his buddy. He has a theory that calls you scum, he's shying away from calling you scum. Obviously you disagree with my conclusion but that's not twisting anything. There's also a "hey, look over there." aspect of your post that I don't really like.
You tried to draw connections from Bulba's play, so obviously you did think about it. You didn't think it through, which is exactly my point. I call it scummy because it looked like you were spin doctoring the situation to push an agenda, cherry-picking aspects of his play and omitting those that disagreed with what you were pushing. You are right that you not seeing what I consider obvious doesn't have to be a scum tell. But applying twisted logic to a situation is in my book.In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:I think your theory that Bulb is bussin' one of Desp/Sean is sound and to be honest I never though about it. But I think its really fucking odd that you are calling me scummy for that especially when you are all "woe is me, Bulb is trying keep me lynchable" So why do you think I'm scummy as opposed to "falling for his trap"?
Yeah, I know why you voted Slandaar. The issue here is why you thought this made him a better lynch than Bulba after you posted this:In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think I've ever dodged this. I think Slan's explanation that "we should assume the max # of scum" was craptastic and the fact that scum already tried to push a 7-8 man scum game made me fairly suspicious. In hindsight, I goofed but its ok 'cause we can lynch Bulbscum today.
That's the part you've been dodging.In post 4710, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, I just did the math. 6 is only 25%. 8 is 33.33333333333%. So 8 is more likely than 6. Slandaar is prob red scum with Cephir and two of Khan/Nacho/Rena/CTD/Bacde
So blue is probs Bulb with one of CTD/Bacde/khan.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Cephir: you've said that Rena has been hard to lynch so she's prob scum but Bulb has been just as hard to lynch. So why are you applying that logic only to Rena?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Since you may offer fresh perspective, is there any correlation to the NK the last two nights and thier dead players positions on AK (5293)?In post 5357, Baezu wrote:I mostly think Thad is scum for his fakeclaim.
Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:
If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.In post 5236, Nachomamma8 wrote:PV you wanna vote Rena?
You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.
I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.
Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum. I'm changing my vote to:
VOTE: Seanald
because of a lot of things, not the least of which is this gem:
In post 4863, Seanald wrote:Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.
I ask because when I presented prior evidence of Slandaar-scum and Nacho-scum, I was beaten like a pinata for daring to suggest, and people where verbal about how bad my posting was. This time, out of 14 players, Nero commented on it by tying it to scum-Bulba. So, I'm a little confused and suspicious when the reactions did not occur.
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First of all, that's only one part of a larger body of scumminess.In post 5370, Nero Cain wrote:Cephir: you've said that Rena has been hard to lynch so she's prob scum but Bulb has been just as hard to lynch. So why are you applying that logic only to Rena?
Secondly, Bulb wagons have at least successfully existed several times rather than usually falling apart at 2 or 3.
Third and most importantly at least to this particular point, Rena is a claimed power role, and Bulb isn't."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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In post 5354, mastin2 wrote:
Bulbazak is at L-2!
Rena is at L-2.
One-Hundred-Thirty-Sixth Votecount:(Eighteenth Votecount of Day Four,AKA, the "Important enough change to warrant a second votecount" votecount.)
Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 6 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, PeregrineV, Baezu, Desperado)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
With15alive, it's8to lynch.
Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Bulbazakwould be lynched.
Last votecount was page 215, post 5352.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Spoiler: Player Vote History D4
Spoiler: Vote History D4Also guys, this shit is not cute.
"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener - Cephrir
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- Cephrir
- PeregrineV
- PeregrineV
- Nero Cain
- Nero Cain
- Desperado
- Cephrir
- Rena
- CrashTextDummie
- Nero Cain
- Amethyst Kitty
- Nero Cain
- Amethyst Kitty
- Amethyst Kitty
- Desperado
- Baezu
- Baezu
- Baezu
- Rena
- mastin2
- Desperado
- mastin2
- Nero Cain
- Baezu