NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

there was something else that caught my eye on a brief skin of the 8 pages:

Nulls:
Orc (not enough posts yet)
Everyone Else because it’s like page 6 and several people only have RVS posts.

Krab person (cabd?) - why did you feel the need to seperate orc for not having enough posts from everyone else who don't have enough posts? I found this kinda bizarre behaviour.

It's weird to see him NOT super hyperactive, after seeing his play in other games. I felt it needed more distinction, hence "not enough posts yet", because orci usually has walls up by now.

where have you seen me walling

like am i so oxygen-deprived right now that i don't even remember my own playstyle

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cabd's posts has a very different vibe from xenoblade

here it's a lot of questions (even when he's trying to make a point) and that gives his ISO a weird feel

in xenoblade it was a lot more "here is what is happening you are scum because this", very certain, very in control

I don't know if I'm picking at straws here but I'm just going through this game picking up every little thing right now and sorting it out later

[Rift Adrift]

fery can you tell me what was going through your head when you saw 3412

This one?

Had Nero not been lynched, day 1 would have been 179 pages long. But instead of analyzing his wagon for the people who FABRICATED a reason to read him scum, all most of you have done is whine about one person who read him town and said so.

I found a person who fabricated a scum read on Nero

You.


I read Fery's walls and did a hugeass ISO of bulba. I have no meta knowledge but I am still queasy about this for a few reasons.
Mac: yes, Mac was scummy, yes okay that is currently my largest reason to scumread bulbafenix
Forced hydra dissonance: Im comparing this with selkies and I'm not getting anything out of the ordinary
Meta: Seems to me like meta won't be of any help since im getting the vibe that bulba at least is very good at being scum

I think overall aside from the Mac analysis you are mostly seeing what you want to see. I mean you say stuff like "Stuff that may strike a townie as off may not draw any attention from a scum player because they know the post is coming from a town player.", but there's a very likely flip side to this argument which is "scum try to look for anything at all that may seem off because they need to find scum reads", and you fail to demonstrate why the former is more likely than just town that missed something

2695:
No bulba wasn't sheeping you, otherwise I wouldn't be in null and I don't think you were town reading BRO. This is off the top of my head but I feel like it's a weak point to base a scumread on. You said that a problem with the post was that it didnt have the sense of a new town player--I would disagree. I like serene and i being in null (I mean you even say that serene's predecessor is something really really town in that same post). I don't remember TIP being universally town.

I mean, it's like you attack them for not being controversial enough with their reads and then you attack them for pushing serene and for being tone-deaf

There's one thing in favor of bulba being scum though. I do not think that anybody would genuinely talk down to their partner in-thread like that. It stuck out to me when I first saw it and I thought it was interesting. I think it is scum theater. I do not think bulba has forced hydra dissonance. Their dissonance is fine. It's the way they interact in thread, with one head publicly suppressing the other that bugs me

Ill sleep on this and get back in the morning

I didn't take it very well. I felt like you were dismissing my concerns about them and not really considering my view. You posted this in a time frame where your lack of activity and promises to review stuff later had been making me nervous. And it was another read that you and I disagreed on, while Syr and I were in agreement. You were pushing people I had in my town pile and pushing back on Bulba.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

His questioning+discussion driving seems a tad less coherent than xenoblade

Xenoblade was my first "real" game here. Do you really not expect me to have learned from it? Not to mention, the awkward way I've been stuck in a hydra with one head means I can't just post like mad from my phone like I did in xenoblade. I may replace out into cabd proper if he doesn't show soon. I had to play day two solo.

But define coherent. Because you worry me as much as I worry you, apparently. You've been spot on on calling alignments of both lynched players well in advance of their wagon picking up steam, and in the case of Nero, well before the rest of us realized it. And stevie too.

As ffery might say: "/paranoia"

this is stupid ms is so ridiculously slow right now

the first two sentences doesn't make sense to me. why would you 'learn' from your towngame to be less coherent?

i may be misremembering here but have you ever even mentioned your hydra buddy in all of day 2? it seems to me like you would want to talk to him about this game if you were town.

you don't worry about me or at least not from what i've seen so that seems a bit off

i laugh whenever people call me scum for opposing lynch wagons that end up being on town. i read nero correctly in last game, i've stated why i think bulbacase was water, and...what the hell is this about stevie?? i've been okay with lynching him...



oh yeah nightkills also implicate you but i'm not going to nkspec on day 3 i hate that shit

pedit: holy shit by the way this whole ban-MS business is fucking retarded

this is unreplied to

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I didn't take it very well. I felt like you were dismissing my concerns about them and not really considering my view. You posted this in a time frame where your lack of activity and promises to review stuff later had been making me nervous. And it was another read that you and I disagreed on, while Syr and I were in agreement. You were pushing people I had in my town pile and pushing back on Bulba.

thanks

[Thirdkoopa]

If its two scum teams and an SK, then there's the possibility koopa's N1 kill was roleblocked by another scum team or that he hit a BP / BP SK

which segues nicely to "nope I didn't shoot N1" if he knew his kill was stopped

-k

For this to happen, you're assuming there's an SK, two scum teams, and myself

The only way I think that's even remotely possible is if we see three kills without me or tomorrow night we see four kills (Because I'm probably blasting someone)

But yes vig is a billion times more likely than any other scenario

Thank you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Can you explain your Nero case? What has changed since your early read?

Your reads list said:

Nero Cain (he recovered a little from our early scum read, but has mostly faded into the woodwork lately)

What exactly did you mean by fading into the woodwork?


~C

i remember talking to fery about how this was a useless question

or maybe i didn't but i definitely thought it at the time

i'm thinking whether or not scum-cabd's meta is to ask pointless questions for the sake of appearing to contribute

because i saw that a few times in tht recent x-examination with me

[Thirdkoopa]

orc have you posted a reads list anywhere

by the by love the hammer bro

[orcinus_theoriginal]

{spice, ank, bulba, Hollywood, maonic, stevie} maybe?

Both the townreads in that list have a positive utility to their death. Maonic immediately 120% confotowns serene and proves the mason claim that some people seem to be doubting. Spice because metal sonic all over again.

hmm.

[Rift Adrift]

{spice, ank, bulba, Hollywood, maonic, stevie} maybe?

Both the townreads in that list have a positive utility to their death. Maonic immediately 120% confotowns serene and proves the mason claim that some people seem to be doubting. Spice because metal sonic all over again.

hmm.

Was this before or after you suggested dramonic as a vig kill?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

reading through newbie 1367, scumcabd distances his buddies like fuck

so unless he seriously stepped up his game i'm guessing that if he is scum he is not scum with shadi

which makes me feel a bit better about the whole cabd/shadi interaction

because the thing is cabd started out by hardtowning shadi and then did a 180 and scumread him, and then after what I thought was a pretty weak gambit especially considering how much it's been overused, basically thought shadi as contown

the whole thing read as a bit off to me but I guess if cabd/shadi isn't a team that kills the suspicion there a little

ugh but i really hate using newbie games as meta basis


cabd's proactiveness is somewhere between his scumgames and xenoblade and that's just a little ew

stay tuned

[orcinus_theoriginal]

TiP was vig'ed

not necessarily

you dropped a really retarded crumb to tip mason that i picked up on, maybe scum team did too

oh yes and @TIP kill

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Whoever killed TIP was I think a high calibre player because they picked up on 1082

So yeah

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Dram needs to be vigged

so cabd's post was after i suggested dram vig

[orcinus_theoriginal]

shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143

how the fuck does that conftown him

cabd is not this retarded

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was wondering how long it would take you to revert back to your classic day one play, hawk. I'd usually say you're town for it, but the delayed timing makes it seem forced, kind of like you're trying to invoke your townmeta. Furthermore, do you intend to tell me that my vote served no use? It made it apparent we had a player actively lurking, that is, watching the thread but not posting.

dramonic seems to be set on saying absolutely nothing of value.

You seem a bit more annoyed than normal and, this is quite unlike your town-meta response... soo?

But... going back and reading your post in question it appears you had Dramonic in your scum-pile you had just put a ton of empty lines in between so I missed it and what I was seeing as scummy was a mistake on my part.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BROsideon

A certain head in this hydra is annoyed by just about anything, could explain meta variance.

Other head needs to get back from dinner so we can convene on a view on this interesting conversation about Doc here

.

How's this coming along?

I got back from dinner, but he was asleep/offline. We're in different time zones, etc. Also he's not able to stay up very late. We'll geetcha an answer once I get to sit down with him. Which will be tomorrow. You know how that is, what with time zones sucking.

deja vu from some of the stuff gcbc posted that was exactly among the same lines but i'm not too sure how indicative that is

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Prohawk looked like he was on the verge of making a case on cabd. Since he had extensive meta knowledge of cabd that could've been dangerous

he never mentioned rift adrift or fery

[Rift Adrift]

shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143

how the fuck does that conftown him

cabd is not this retarded

If I were writing up what I thought was my last reads list, I'd be torn between making sure the list gets into the thread and wanting to be thorough. Eight minutes doesn't strike me as over-long.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143

how the fuck does that conftown him

cabd is not this retarded

If I were writing up what I thought was my last reads list, I'd be torn between making sure the list gets into the thread and wanting to be thorough. Eight minutes doesn't strike me as over-long.

okay but how are you supposed to conftown someone for a very VERY scant readlist and you were looking for a kneejerk reaction because that is

the only way those gambits work

shadi took 8 minutes

this is no longer a kneejerk reaction

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm not saying shadi is scum for it

i'm just saying like i always have that hardtowning shadi for that oneeeeee shitty reaction test makes no sense

he could've read the last few pages in the thread in that 8 minutes and realized cabd was bullshitting


this reminds me of gcbc claiming guilty on us when his watch didn't get through

cabd misses obvious shit (obvious from a town viewpoint that is) as scum

why wasn't his first thought a scum roleblock?

it's the same principle here

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Soo... I thought Shadi's 202 agreeing with me, then unvoting was strange... never happened to me before with someone who was scum-reading me. At first I thought scum trying to not ruffle feathers, but on reading Shadi's other games as town he seems to be a generally agreeable chap. Unfortunately he doesn't have any scum-games I could refer to... so I don't have that to compare it to, but I think I am good with

UNVOTE:

VOTE: KingCrabd

Came in, offered a bit of words, left. His vote for a null-read over a scum-read was awkward and a vote for a lurker is quite ironic...

I don't necessarily agree with the Stevie is scum mantra. I agree that his vote on me was poor, his reasoning (me being either scum or a bad player) likewise tact-less, but I can't see a whole lot of scum-benefit is being so controversial.

I would be willing to lynch BROsideon today. Completely agree with this analysis.

108 degrees outside+ broken air conditioning = SHUT DOWN ALL THE THINGS

Finally cool enough to operate my computer without overheating worries, catching up.

Is ignoring the elephant in the room:

His vote for a null-read over a scum-read was awkward and a vote for a lurker is quite ironic...

More votes here would be nice.

I was wondering how long it would take you to revert back to your classic day one play, hawk. I'd usually say you're town for it, but the delayed timing makes it seem forced, kind of like you're trying to invoke your townmeta. Furthermore, do you intend to tell me that my vote served no use? It made it apparent we had a player actively lurking, that is, watching the thread but not posting.

dramonic seems to be set on saying absolutely nothing of value.

You seem a bit more annoyed than normal and, this is quite unlike your town-meta response... soo?

But... going back and reading your post in question it appears you had Dramonic in your scum-pile you had just put a ton of empty lines in between so I missed it and what I was seeing as scummy was a mistake on my part.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BROsideon

Dear Crabd, Would I be able to catch you as scum by looking at your scum game? Or would it look eerily like your town game? Hmmmm....

Don't want to lynch Shadi today.

On my phone, but want to reiterate what someone said about the BRO wagon disintegrating due to his absence. Outta Sight Outta Mind.

I am willing to vote Nero, however my vote would be more to clear the crap from the thread rather than to lynch scum, so I will stay on BRO until some of you actually see the scum in that... or I need to switch over for a lynch.

Stevie has gone how long with his case promise now?

BRO also has an outstanding promise as well...

If we can form a townbloc I'm fine with us voting together.

This also just sounds like an excuse to me. Why do you need a "townbloc" to vote together? What relationship do they have to eachother?

If you can't figure out that he's totally obv-scum in this game by reading that other game... maybe meta analysis isn't your forte.

True meta does not one game make.

In order to have an accurate read based on meta, you need to have

at least

one town and one scum game to compare to that show explicitly that said player never does one thing as either town or scum while doing it as the opposite alignment. Meta is problematic because we are not static people. We change all the time based on experience.

for posterity, prohawk's posts about cabd

the other nightkills didn't help at all

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Rift, I wanted to go over potential vig shortlist and etc, but reading up and it seems sorting out this mess is priority number one now.

i love the inactivity from cabd that followed this post

[Thirdkoopa]

did crabd ever even make a vig list?

[Cephrir]

Whoever killed TIP was I think a high calibre player because they picked up on 1082

So yeah

As a low calibre player who picked up on this I disagree

I thought it was fairly obvious

shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143

how the fuck does that conftown him

cabd is not this retarded

Personally, I thought it was conceivable that Shadi could have noticed it was a gambit and run with it, but I thought the way in which he responded was very townie rather than the simple fact that he posted a list. At least, that's what I remember thinking.

Honestly though, that reaction test was incredibly shitty even by the standards of this thread (really, a vengekill? Who the fuck believes that?)

Thank you for getting unweird orci, I was starting to doubt. I am beginning to think there is scum in this town block, if it can even be called such with the mass paranoia it's having. I do have a suspicion as to the problem here.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that's not mastin.

Could you reassure me that orc is town? It worries me that the towniest thing he's done so far is a shitty deathtunnel.

I have a mixed read on orcinus. There are a couple of reasons going back to one of our earliest games that result in the mix leaning a little town.

what were your reasons for towning me? just day 1 is fine