The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[Jon Doe]

Can we knock it off and get back to scum hunting?

Wayne, make a decision, either you're in or you're out or let the mod make it for you.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

With an unstoppable hoard and 2-5 deaths a night, I don't think multiball is an option here. SK or x-shot vig, maybe. Having two scum factions, a random 1-3 kills from a mechanic, and a SK/vig would be up to 7 dead per day. Doing the math, that doesn't add up.

[Sugar Cain]

Can we knock it off and get back to scum hunting?

What a pro town thing to say.

I think I made a joke (albiet a bad one) to lighten the mood.

[waynegg]

I thought it was funny Nero...

[Desperado]

Do I need to requote my Pitoli case or something? It's really good and deserves more votes.

[Jon Doe]

I thought it was funny Nero...

[Sugar Cain]

With an unstoppable hoard and 2-5 deaths a night, I don't think multiball is an option here. SK or x-shot vig, maybe. Having two scum factions, a random 1-3 kills from a mechanic, and a SK/vig would be up to 7 dead per day. Doing the math, that doesn't add up.

I kinda agree. Though I was pretty sure that the zombie's only killed 1-2 per night and any potential vig/sk could be even/odd night. When I say the kill I admittedly thought an SK 'cause "smothered" sounds up close, personal and sinister but Mara reminded me that flavor means crap. Though its still a theme game and I assume that roles fit with the show somekind of way.

Mainly I just think it was off that Amrun thought Thor was scummy and that his attack on us was scummy but was still considering us as a viable lynch option unless she thought there was scum beyond the hypothetical Thor team.

[Jon Doe]

Yep. It's 0-2. Senior moment.

[Jon Doe]

Speaking of Thor...still waiting on that answer

[Amrun]

Thor being shady isn't a valid reason not to vote you in the current gamestate.

please explain this?

Why would it be? At a point when reads are fluid and the game is large, you vote who is scummiest, period.

Ok, so you vote for who is scummist right? That's cool, that's like any mafia game ever but you said that the current GAMESTATE made me voteable, so what about the current gamestate makes you think there's multiscum? You think that the kill on Andrea is an SK?

Never said the gamestate makes you votable. Also never implied multiscum, not that I consider an sk multiscum anyway.

I said the gamestate (early game, mutable reads) means that one bad vote on a wagon isn't a reason not to be on a wagon. Huge misrep. Stahp.

[waynegg]

Thor being shady isn't a valid reason not to vote you in the current gamestate.

please explain this?

Why would it be? At a point when reads are fluid and the game is large, you vote who is scummiest, period.

Ok, so you vote for who is scummist right? That's cool, that's like any mafia game ever but you said that the current GAMESTATE made me voteable, so what about the current gamestate makes you think there's multiscum? You think that the kill on Andrea is an SK?

Can you GLOAT moar?

[Jon Doe]

Thor being shady isn't a valid reason not to vote you in the current gamestate.

please explain this?

Why would it be? At a point when reads are fluid and the game is large, you vote who is scummiest, period.

Ok, so you vote for who is scummist right? That's cool, that's like any mafia game ever but you said that the current GAMESTATE made me voteable, so what about the current gamestate makes you think there's multiscum? You think that the kill on Andrea is an SK?

Can you GLOAT moar?

[sangres]

Why aren't I in the town bloc? I haz a sadz. . I am legit obvtown

P-edit: that's a stupid fucking answer and you know it

P-edit 2: okay, Matt, sounds legit

You are totally in my town bloc

Srs question about why I'm not in the bloc :'(

That's not a block, that's currently the three incredibly active town players. You haven't read a chunk of the game. I have you as a townread, but I don't have you as a person who's prone to be in counterproductive arguments

Like seriously, people are going to come into this game and call brains, myself, and sugar scum. Because it's easy. Period. And we're all loud enough and antagonistic enough for people to wagon it, as is evident throughout the duration of the game. But if all three of us swallow our egos and just metaphorically buttfuck anyone that tries to derail productive wagons, we'll be fine considering we three definitely have the most vocal power.

That's my point. Vote blocs never work when this many players. It's more that we three slots need to try to be more cohesive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

Why is everyone saying the like/agree with my pitoli case but not voting it

I wanted to synch first but it's not happening yet.

Do I need to requote my Pitoli case or something? It's really good and deserves more votes.

VOTE: Pitoli

[Desperado]

I have been ready to discuss reads from the get mebbe you missed the whole fery fery fery fery nacho nacho nacho nacho post where are you huhhuhuhuh

I mean how much louder can I get. instead you decided to troll me/us and trust fund instead

3. Amrun
5. Desperado
6. borkjerfkin
7. Majiffy
12. No Brains Here ( DrippingGoofball / Pirate Mollie )
13. Toogeloo
17. Mattp
19. Thor665
21. Trust Fund ( Cabd / Syryana )
23. Sugar Cain ( Nero Cain / Ms Marangal )

^^town

ellibereth and AD i wanna call town but i can't yet

the guy i'm voting is scum
john doe also seems pretty scum

Majiffy/Trust already flipped town. I still feel really comfortable with everyone else on this list. Forget Doe for today, Pitoli is way scummier and we need to stop bickering and start consolidating.

[Desperado]

I have been ready to discuss reads from the get mebbe you missed the whole fery fery fery fery nacho nacho nacho nacho post where are you huhhuhuhuh

I mean how much louder can I get. instead you decided to troll me/us and trust fund instead

3. Amrun
5. Desperado
6. borkjerfkin
7. Majiffy
12. No Brains Here ( DrippingGoofball / Pirate Mollie )
13. Toogeloo
17. Mattp
19. Thor665
21. Trust Fund ( Cabd / Syryana )
23. Sugar Cain ( Nero Cain / Ms Marangal )

^^town

ellibereth and AD i wanna call town but i can't yet

the guy i'm voting is scum
john doe also seems pretty scum

Majiffy/Trust already flipped town. I still feel really comfortable with everyone else on this list. Forget Doe for today, Pitoli is way scummier and we need to stop bickering and start consolidating.

[No Brains Here]

MORE OGML votes please

focus focus focus

My pitoli case is much better than your OGML case and I'm annoyed that I asked you to comment on it and all you could muster was "I've never played with them so i dunno."

desp

desp

desp

I want you to look into my eyes and know that I am here for you. okay? you are in my don't lynch don't touch pile if anyone looks at you funny I will eat their liver.

the ogml case is mostly dgb cos I don't them either. and that was dgb posting right there.

let me elaborate on the pitouli case; I think it is decent but the thing is, is some of that could be a playstyle thing. if I had at least 1 game with them I could give you a better response. dgb is pretty adamant about ogml so I don't see our vote moving.

[Thor665]

What the Smurf is this Smurf? Not surprised that Amrun was willing to vote us but Thor, Smurfing Thor. You are better than this.

Am I?
What do you think of my case?

You seem to exude confidence and never second guess yourself. Would this be a fair assumption?

I certainly extrovert both of those things.

Who said we were town reading you? That is overconfidence. I just liked something and I said that.

I wasn't aware there was a like/dislike axis of gameplay. There *is* a town/scum axis, and I presumed 'like' was an alternate word for 'town'.
What did you mean? Simply that you'd like to come over for tea and crumpets sometime? Maybe do a puzzle together? Ride a rollercoaster?

They've done enough scummy things that just dont make sense from town to be probabilistically scum-oriented

You've named a batch of three players that you think are town that look scummy - so what is so odd about his scumminess compared to theirs and your own?
Functionally you're name calling him and then taking his offense and trying to craft it as a scum tell - which is the EXACT thing you warned that scum would try to do your group of three.
So...wtf?

All that you've done since I've called you out is constantly insult me. You have not tried to talk to me at all, you immediately because incredibly aggressive and overdefensive. I don't think town do that.

Yeah, town are NEVER aggressive or overdefensive.
What alignment did Majiffy just flip? Scum, right - musta been scum.

So despite you having a QT to discuss this stuff your hydra partner said NOTHING over the duration of the ENTIRE day phase in the QT about flavor analysis?

Which would justify him asking in thread for his partner to come talk to him.
Town-ta-town-town-town...

While I finish catching up I have something to say.

If Trust Fund was vigged then the vig needs to sit down and take stock of his/her life because that would be one of the dumbest vig kills of all time.

The only 'Vig' kill that makes any sense of the three was Chesskid.
And I'm pretty certain that was a zombie kill, so...

Why is everyone saying the like/agree with my pitoli case but not voting it

Because they're too busy voting town.
What do you think of my Sugar Cain case?

I will admit I am somewhat ameliorated that Matt decided to call John town...but then he leapt right back onto OGML which is equally derp. So he can still answer my attacks above.

[MattP]

My push was me trying to pressure him to be scummy? Because he had done enough things that could be construed as scum-aligned moves that I wanted to push him. I knew his partner posted the brief explanation we reiterated in thread, the point was to see if he would immediately defend himself with that or if there was genuine lying of hydra dissonance

Also I NEVER name called Jon Doe so I have no idea what you're talking about

And I just very quickly skimmed what you just posted so I probably didn't answer everything so pls repeat anything I missed tia

[MattP]

You're acting as if I was pushing him solely to get him lynched and that therefore my entire case was intended to see him at L-0, when if you recognize that I was pushing him to get a better read on him, which is obvious from my immediate jump off when I got the better read, it wasn't ridiculous that I was using hyperbole to try to pressure him

[MattP]

AND you're saying it's derp that I'm on OGML and yet I don't have a good read of OGML so why would I NOT be on him right now if I don't have a clear scumread? It's day 2 and day 1 was 24 hours long. I'm trying to sift through 20+ players and figure out their alignment. It's not easy especially when the majority of players have 10 or less posts and have been completely ignored.

[MattP]

Functionally you're name calling him

Actually, please quote EXACTLY where this happened so that I know you're not just being accusatory for the sake of being accusatory and are actually reading the thread King of the Scum

[Amrun]

Guys!!! I am caught up! Are you proud of me?

Okay, first thoughts upon having re-read today including what I missed:

Jon Doe:

-Can you link me to the newbie game you reference? What was your stance on wKing in that game? What was your alignment? What was GiF's?

-What was OMGL's scumslip?

-Is GiF still scum? Is OGML still scum?

For the record, though, you made a statement about GuyInFreezer not being lazy. That isn't true. Sometimes he's lazy, and sometimes he isn't. I just finished a town game with him where he literally did NOTHING the whole game -- like, ACTUALLY fuck all nothing, basically prod dodged the entire game.

OGML

Do you agree that if Trust Fund ISN'T the scum kill, that makes Jon Doe less likely to be scum? If Jon Doe isn't scum, who is? Why?

Thor

If Sugar Cain isn't scum, who is? Why? What do you think of the StupendousKey wagon yesterday? What is your read on OMGL?

pitoli

Pitoli, you said the wagon yesterday was scumdriven. Who is scum on the wagon, and why?

What is your read on OMGL?


VOTE: pitoli

[Thor665]

My push was me trying to pressure him to be scummy? Because he had done enough things that could be construed as scum-aligned moves that I wanted to push him. I knew his partner posted the brief explanation we reiterated in thread, the point was to see if he would immediately defend himself with that or if there was genuine lying of hydra dissonance

Also I NEVER name called Jon Doe so I have no idea what you're talking about

And I just very quickly skimmed what you just posted so I probably didn't answer everything so pls repeat anything I missed tia

AND you're saying it's derp that I'm on OGML and yet I don't have a good read of OGML so why would I NOT be on him right now if I don't have a clear scumread? It's day 2 and day 1 was 24 hours long. I'm trying to sift through 20+ players and figure out their alignment. It's not easy especially when the majority of players have 10 or less posts and have been completely ignored.

You called me scummy for being on Sugar Cain.
How do you define them as different acts?

Functionally you're name calling him

Actually, please quote EXACTLY where this happened so that I know you're not just being accusatory for the sake of being accusatory and are actually reading the thread King of the Scum

Please quote your understanding of what the word 'functionally' means.

@Amrun - I feel I have implicitly answered one of those questions and *explicitly* answered two of them already. Do you really have no idea my read on OGML or about the Stupendous wagon yesterday? I've stated both multiple times. How well do you feel you've read?

[Sugar Cain]

What the Smurf is this Smurf? Not surprised that Amrun was willing to vote us but Thor, Smurfing Thor. You are better than this.

Am I?
What do you think of my case?

When you have a town pm you are.

I think your "I don't have a case/I wasn't awed by their posting/lemme go make a case/oh but I don't like the two leading wagons so I'M GOING TO HANG MY HAT ELSEWHERE" is craptastic and the case itself is no better. Pretty much everything in your "case" is stuff Mara did. Though we both did have scum reads on TF and John Doe. If you think us voting for someone that flipped town makes us scum then you are retarded or scum. What's this "bad start to day 2" junk about?

[MattP]

My push was me trying to pressure him to be scummy? Because he had done enough things that could be construed as scum-aligned moves that I wanted to push him. I knew his partner posted the brief explanation we reiterated in thread, the point was to see if he would immediately defend himself with that or if there was genuine lying of hydra dissonance

Also I NEVER name called Jon Doe so I have no idea what you're talking about

And I just very quickly skimmed what you just posted so I probably didn't answer everything so pls repeat anything I missed tia

Cool, glad we got that line of conversation over with

AND you're saying it's derp that I'm on OGML and yet I don't have a good read of OGML so why would I NOT be on him right now if I don't have a clear scumread? It's day 2 and day 1 was 24 hours long. I'm trying to sift through 20+ players and figure out their alignment. It's not easy especially when the majority of players have 10 or less posts and have been completely ignored.

You called me scummy for being on Sugar Cain.
How do you define them as different acts?

Because I think different things when I push different people, since as a human being I generally have altering reasons for different actions I take, and when I call one person scum (Jon Doe) it does not have the same meaning as a different scenario where I call someone scummy (you), since both motives and intensity of reads can change. In the situation with Jon Doe, I wasn't trying to push a lynch through at the time I started pushing him, because that would have required me being positive about the read. I obviously was not positive about the read, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to get him to prove his scumminess or towniness with the reaction test regarding his QT knowledge.

As for me calling you scummy for a Sugar Cain push, I called you scummy because I think your tone was scummy. Let's compare to the Jon Doe slot. Intensity of read? I thought your action was less weakly scum-oriented than my initial points on Jon Doe. Motivation-wise did I call your action scummy? I wasn't trying to push you, I was talking to fellow people I thought were town so that they knew my stance. Why am I not motivated to push you? Because I don't think a Thor wagon right now is lucrative. Why is that? Because I don't read you any better under pressure than not under pressure, so there's nothing positive to gain for me right now in pushing you. I'll push you when I'm confident of a scumread on you. You're more experienced that most players that I would pressure. I don't push CES either in games. I avoid placing pressure on experienced scum players to derive information, I push experienced scum players when I want them lynched.

Functionally you're name calling him

Actually, please quote EXACTLY where this happened so that I know you're not just being accusatory for the sake of being accusatory and are actually reading the thread King of the Scum

Please quote your understanding of what the word 'functionally' means.

I would actually like you to show me anything that was functionally name-calling against Jon Doe. The entire conversation with him I felt incredibly impartial about being rude in response to him. If you show me something that was functionally name calling I'll agree to it, but currently it looks like you made a throwaway statement that served no purpose but to antagonize me. Please prove me wrong.