The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[Sugar Cain]

Pretty much everything in your "case" is stuff Mara did.

That...excuses it?

no, what excuses it is that I have a town pm but I just wanted to point out that everyone is scumreading the posts by Mara.

So Thor, lets say I get mislynched today. Do you think you should be suspected or are you just going to be all "but I was scumhunting!!!"?

[Sugar Cain]

Pretty much everything in your "case" is stuff Mara did.

That...excuses it?

no, what excuses it is that I have a town pm but I just wanted to point out that everyone is scumreading the posts by Mara.

So Thor, lets say I get mislynched today. Do you think you should be suspected or are you just going to be all "but I was scumhunting!!!"?

[Thor665]

I assumed functionally means "effectively"

I never effectively namecalled Jon Doe. You said I did. Show me an exact quote where, without using negative terms, I was effectively namecalling

Did you even read my answer?

Also, a synonym for effectively is virtually.
Hint: virtually does not mean 'literally'.

[MattP]

No - it isn't. Explain how it is.

Explain how it's a logical fallacy? I just did!

What exactly are you even trying to prove or figure out with the conversation?

pedit: I called him King of the Scum as a compliment, saying that he is good as scum, not that he was scum or terrible scum. Now he's just being snarky yayayaya

[MattP]

Here's the gist - you implied that people would be able to call your trio 'scum' by pressuring them (e.g. name calling) and getting them to respond negatively.
You then pressured Jon to the point there was the whole dip-Smurf commentary,a nd then you sort of stepped back and pointed at him reacting negatively to the pressure with a 'see, see, officers!' attitude.
That's functionally the same thing, him getting peeved at you is not a scumtell - it is a playstyle tell.
You did then go and call him town afterwards, which I liked, but the inbuilt hypocrisy I don't - which is why I challenged you on it when I saw it happen.

I pressured him "to the point" this happened by quoting some things he posted and saying they were scummy and voting him? You're seriously blaming me because I simply posted reasoning for thinking he was scum? Why are you white knighting Jon Doe so hard?

You're making it seem like I was implicitly being a dick to him and insulting him to the point that he snapped and then I maliciously laughed in my evil lair and brought in the mod

[Thor665]

@Thor, was the "King of the Scum" comment necessary?

~Titus

No, it wasn't, but Matt used it on me and I thought I'd return the favor, after all, he doesn't functionally insult people to get emotional rises out of them, even though he thinks it is scummy if others try to do the same thing.

no, what excuses it is that I have a town pm but I just wanted to point out that everyone is scumreading the posts by Mara.

So Thor, lets say I get mislynched today. Do you think you should be suspected or are you just going to be all "but I was scumhunting!!!"?

1. So...do you agree she's playing scummy?

2. I don't think I've ever been in a game where I led a lynch and wasn't held accountable on some level for the results of that lynch. Yes, I would expect to be suspected if you flipped town...then again, it being me, I'd expect to be suspected if you flip scum, but there's always the hope your boyz nightkill me first

What do you think about my take of how you put together your case on OGML? Y'know, where I call it all elaborate word traps and a case built on the crime of scumhunting? You, oddly, haven't addressed it yet except in the most vague terms.

[Sugar Cain]

Sugar and OGML are both consistent with how the nightkills went down.

WHAT is this?

Sugar's voting pattern has been erratic at best.

So that's the only reason you suspect us other than "Sugar and GIF being the most talked about in the thread"

[MattP]

Show me SPECIFICALLY how I functionally name called and pressured him to the point that he finally snapped

You are dodging a REALLY simple request I've asked MULTIPLE times for

[MattP]

No, it wasn't, but Matt used it on me and I thought I'd return the favor, after all, he doesn't functionally insult people to get emotional rises out of them, even though he thinks it is scummy if others try to do the same thing.

Seriously what is wrong with you? You're not even reading my interaction with Jon Doe. You're blatantly lying about how I approached it. Show me EXACTLY where I tried to get a rise out of him PRIOR to him calling me a dipshit

[Thor665]

Explain how it's a logical fallacy? I just did!

No, you didn't.

What exactly are you even trying to prove or figure out with the conversation?

Your alignment.

I pressured him "to the point" this happened by quoting some things he posted and saying they were scummy and voting him? You're seriously blaming me because I simply posted reasoning for thinking he was scum?

Are you saying you didn't pressure him to get reactions?

Why are you white knighting Jon Doe so hard?

I wasn't aware I was doing it 'so hard'.
Besides, I do think he's town - don't you?

You're making it seem like I was implicitly being a dick to him and insulting him to the point that he snapped and then I maliciously laughed in my evil lair and brought in the mod

No, I'm trying to figure out why it's questionable to pressure Sugar, but legit to use the same methods on Jon.
I, personally, think it's legit to do both - but you suggested it wasn't and I want to know why.

[Thor665]

Show me SPECIFICALLY how I functionally name called and pressured him to the point that he finally snapped

Which are you denying happening?
That you pressured him, or that he reacted negatively to it?

[Thor665]

I'll provide evidence of whichever one you deny happening.

[No Brains Here]

You're saying scum wouldn't scumhunt?

OMGL framing townies with bs case =/= scumhunting

[Thor665]

How was his case a 'frame' job?
I don't even recall him trying to explain any case until pressured to do so - kind of an awkward scumplan, yeah?

[No Brains Here]

No, it wasn't, but Matt used it on me and I thought I'd return the favor, after all, he doesn't functionally insult people to get emotional rises out of them, even though he thinks it is scummy if others try to do the same thing.

Seriously what is wrong with you? You're not even reading my interaction with Jon Doe. You're blatantly lying about how I approached it. Show me EXACTLY where I tried to get a rise out of him PRIOR to him calling me a dipshit

Matt! Matt! Don't argue with the scum! You can never convince the scum, he's playing

against

you. It's us you have to convince.

You will not convince Thor that he's scum.

[No Brains Here]

How was his case a 'frame' job?

That's my whole case, go find it.

[No Brains Here]

^^^

See what I did? Thor is scum wasting my time, he's not reading the game, he's just pushing some manufactured scum agenda - just like OGML. I'm not trying to convince him.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote

From a flavor perspective, I can totally see Shane as a Serial Killer, and the Gov'nuh and his cronies as the Mafia. The Governor's crew aren't stealthy, they fight with guns, and they outright shoot their enemies. Shane was more of the crazy and kill them in quiet type. He killed Otis and said the zombies ate him, he took Randall into the forest and broke his neck, and he tried to get Rick alone and kill him in quiet as well. I'd say smothering with a pillow represents a player that is on the inside with the players and killing via stealth. Now all this being said, Venny already stated that flavor isn't indicative of anything, but I highly doubt he would say that chesskid got munched on by Walkers but really was a Vig shot. From a setup perspective, outside of Rick, the only characters I could logically see as Vigs are Daryl and Michonne, and considering their weapons (and again, I know it's only flavor) I don't think either would suffocate a player with a pillow or shoot them through the head with a bullet.

Shane as SK and Gov Mafia makes the most sense to me at the moment.


I don't quite have the trust MattP seems to have with the vocal town bloc. None of the three slots he's included have given me 'def-town' vibes. I'd say Sugar Cain > NBH > MattP at the moment since I could still totally see ScuMattP pulling the WIFOM card that he wouldn't do Hated Townie as Scum and everyone believing it. He was also the predominant driving force behind SK's lynch, constantly reinforcing it to everyone as they popped in. He's never really made up the town points. I don't hate him as scum though either because I feel he's too vocal to be for sure scum. It might be confidence in his ability to be charismatic, but I just don't see scum being one of the highest post count players and doing a lot of traffic directing without eventually drawing attention to themselves down the road.

John's (wayne in particular) anger feels genuine. Not worth my vote at the moment.

There are some players I want more attention on though... namely Red Coyote and Ellibereth. Ellibereth in particular needs more attention. I do not know Elli's town game, but I do know that in Magician's Mafia, Elli hardly posted ever, and was fairly anti-town as scum, with many of his postings very similar in vibe to his end of Day 1 yesterday. I'd like to make sure Elli doesn't escape notice.

I am more inclined to vote Pitoli over OGML if I need to choose between those wagons, just fyi.

Vote: Ellibereth

PEdit: Also, this game is moving way too fast. I pretty much only skimmed the last 15 pages. There were 21 more posts added after I hit Preview Post button.

[MattP]

Explain how it's a logical fallacy? I just did!

No, you didn't.

So then instead of posting snarky one-liners that are more showy than practical to a normal conversation, explain EXACTLY what you need from me. I've been confused now multiple times with things you've been trying to say, and yet you're making no attempt to try to communicate better to me. Stop posting 3 words per response.

What exactly are you even trying to prove or figure out with the conversation?

Your alignment.

I would like to imagine you wouldn't be this muddled about my alignment.

In a perfect world

I pressured him "to the point" this happened by quoting some things he posted and saying they were scummy and voting him? You're seriously blaming me because I simply posted reasoning for thinking he was scum?

Are you saying you didn't pressure him to get reactions?

So pressuring and functional name calling that deserves personal insults in response are equivalent? It doesn't matter if I was pressuring, I was trying to figure out things about him while he was insulting me for the sake of insulting me, separate from any sort of town-minded motivation, which he even admitted afterwards. It seemed bizarre, out of left field, and antisocial. You expect certain behavior from people, non akward behavior, especially when people are town. His insulting coming out of the blue was so diverged from the norm that it looked postured.

Why are you white knighting Jon Doe so hard?

I wasn't aware I was doing it 'so hard'.
Besides, I do think he's town - don't you?

I think he's town, but I'm not going to defend things he did that were inappropriate in the game. You're trying to basically insinuate that I deserved the response I got because I was functionally name calling him first and he was just responding. This is separate from the game, this is a personal qualm. And then we find out later he was doing it to get back at me for doing it to other people in the game, which explains his behavior, and it explains it not as me being mean to him first and him returning the favor but rather him being angry for my prior play. So your defense on him is fallacious, you're trying to justify his crude language in the context of my conversation with him when he explicitly stated that it was out of that context. You're illogically white knighting him.

You're making it seem like I was implicitly being a dick to him and insulting him to the point that he snapped and then I maliciously laughed in my evil lair and brought in the mod

No, I'm trying to figure out why it's questionable to pressure Sugar, but legit to use the same methods on Jon.
I, personally, think it's legit to do both - but you suggested it wasn't and I want to know why.

Your TONE with your wagon push and avoidance of OGML and John wagons seems incredibly awkward and postured. THAT'S my issue with your play

[MattP]

I don't quite have the trust MattP seems to have with the vocal town bloc. None of the three slots he's included have given me 'def-town' vibes. I'd say Sugar Cain > NBH > MattP at the moment since I could still totally see ScuMattP pulling the WIFOM card that he wouldn't do Hated Townie as Scum and everyone believing it. He was also the predominant driving force behind SK's lynch, constantly reinforcing it to everyone as they popped in. He's never really made up the town points. I don't hate him as scum though either because I feel he's too vocal to be for sure scum. It might be confidence in his ability to be charismatic, but I just don't see scum being one of the highest post count players and doing a lot of traffic directing without eventually drawing attention to themselves down the road.

Behold, a 101 in flawed, linear thinking

A character that actually believes having a wrong read and pushing it to fruition is a generally scummy thing rather than trying to decipher whether I actually believed SK was scum

[MattP]

No, it wasn't, but Matt used it on me and I thought I'd return the favor, after all, he doesn't functionally insult people to get emotional rises out of them, even though he thinks it is scummy if others try to do the same thing.

Seriously what is wrong with you? You're not even reading my interaction with Jon Doe. You're blatantly lying about how I approached it. Show me EXACTLY where I tried to get a rise out of him PRIOR to him calling me a dipshit

Matt! Matt! Don't argue with the scum! You can never convince the scum, he's playing

against

you. It's us you have to convince.

You will not convince Thor that he's scum.

I don't know if he's scum. I think this conversation is useful, for at least now.

[Toogeloo]

Behold, a 101 in flawed, linear thinking

A character that actually believes having a wrong read and pushing it to fruition is a generally scummy thing rather than trying to decipher whether I actually believed SK was scum

It didn't earn you town points, if that's what you are referring to.

I was simply arguing that your town bloc of 3 isn't all that townie in my eyes, yet you are highly encouraging them (and I assume most on-lookers) to trust the three of you implicitly in our hunt for scum. Not something I am willing to trust just yet.

[MattP]

It didn't earn you town points, if that's what you are referring to.

I was simply arguing that your town bloc of 3 isn't all that townie in my eyes, yet you are highly encouraging them (and I assume most on-lookers) to trust the three of you implicitly in our hunt for scum. Not something I am willing to trust just yet.

And yet, you don't have to trust us. The purpose of what I did was because I think brains and sugar are town. Those are MY reads, and I want to work with them. You don't have to work with us.

[Toogeloo]

And yet, you don't have to trust us. The purpose of what I did was because I think brains and sugar are town. Those are MY reads, and I want to work with them. You don't have to work with us.

But see, you can't lynch someone with 3 votes alone, however, representing the vocal majority, it's easier to sway the lower post count players, especially those too lazy to read up.

Look how easy it was to convince Amrun to jump around with her votes.

[Jon Doe]

Thor, as tempting as that sounds it would take more than two votes. Anyhow, with those answers in mind...

Also willing to policy lynch the Stupendous Man/KBW slot.
Also willing to help lynch Majiffy.

So you're saying you totally believe his claim?
...
So you think early pressure wagons are meaningless?

Functionally,

and let's be honest

, he claimed 'can't be allowed anywhere near lylo' as his role - whoop-de-flippin'-doo.

Sugar Cain - why do you think I'm voting him?

Then why do so many of your posts, and this is just a few, curry for favor and/or feel out what the consensus is before making a move? Your answers imply you're more direct, sure of yourself and that people come around to your line without this kind of behavior.