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[MattP]

I've said more than that silly. Who said Aj was scum again?

Also the fact you're even ok lynching someone who hasnt posted a single post Thor instead of asking for replacement, when there would be no information relationally to get from that lynch, is ridiculous

[Amrun]

Lynching someone who hasn't posted is probably a bad plan. Maybe he's scum, maybe he's not, but a PoE lynch on day 2 is not the best plan.

Which is probably why I'm not advocating his immediate lynch - but I'm certainly open to the idea of lynching him and don't have a town read on him, and people are suggesting that is wack.
Do you agree or disagree with that?

I don't have Peregrine as town. Maybe it's partly a difference in where we draw the "willing to lynch" line and partly a reads disagreement.

Whut?

You're either willing to lynch, or not willing to lynch - are you not willing to lynch PV?
If there's a third category in there, clue me in to it, but I feel a 'willing to lynch' list is kind of an either/or sort of deal.

.

I'm not willing to lynch PV, no -- not today, at least. He will be forced to post, or replace out, and then we get content from the slot.

I don't have a townread on him, of course.

I really see no need to unvote pitoli. A replacement doesn't erase the scummy things pitoli did.

Which can quickly be summed up as...?

For me, the biggest thing was going "omg you guys lynched stupendouskey and it was so bad, what a scumdriven lynch! /doesn't analyze wagon"

There have been plenty of other points raised -- why do I have to answer questions that have been said in thread if you don't? Was kind of annoyed when you said "I get told my questions are unproductive as town all the time" when you just accused me of that.

[MattP]

While I don't have a townread or a scumread on Pere right now, I totally understand both sides. From a philosophical standpoint, less is more so I think that Pere has been really progressive and essentially the town leader. Simultaneously, I don't like the way he's been looking at sangres and I think it would be a worthwhile lynch to figure out Sangres's, as well as everyone else's alignments, but like I'm not gonna go out of my way to push it tbh but I'm totally up for it if someone else starts it

[MattP]

Actually I did a reread of Pere's ISO and his breathing pattern makes me think he just has a crush on Sangres but it could be WIFOM

[Thor665]

Also the fact you're even ok lynching someone who hasnt posted a single post Thor instead of asking for replacement, when there would be no information relationally to get from that lynch, is ridiculous

There's a difference between 'willing to lynch' and 'must lynch right now with no further discussion'.
You're ridiculous.

I'm not willing to lynch PV, no -- not today, at least. He will be forced to post, or replace out, and then we get content from the slot.

I don't have a townread on him, of course.

No town read - not willing to lynch him (today)
Ehhh...feels really semantically loaded. I think you are willing to lynch him, but would like to get info from the slot and may decide later that you are not willing to lynch him.
I wasn't asked who I thought was scum, i was asked who I was willing to lynch.
And the only sane answer to that is 'everyone I don't think is town'.

For me, the biggest thing was going "omg you guys lynched stupendouskey and it was so bad, what a scumdriven lynch! /doesn't analyze wagon"

Most of his list of 5 scumspects came from that wagon though. I think Jon Doe was the only one off it. That seems to make sense to me as a mental state, yeah?

why do I have to answer questions that have been said in thread if you don't?

Don't recall saying you did.

Was kind of annoyed when you said "I get told my questions are unproductive as town all the time" when you just accused me of that.

You'll note I didn't say he couldn't accuse me of it. I did suggest it was something I hear often, and that I don't think it's a scumtell on me. I was debating its validity as a tell on me, not its validity as an inherent tell. Meaningless questions are a scumtell - I don't think my questions are meaningless, I understand that some people think they are.

[sangres]

I don't have Peregrine as town. Maybe it's partly a difference in where we draw the "willing to lynch" line and partly a reads disagreement.

Whut?

You're either willing to lynch, or not willing to lynch - are you not willing to lynch PV?
If there's a third category in there, clue me in to it, but I feel a 'willing to lynch' list is kind of an either/or sort of deal.

Please don't change the playing field like this on me. I associate that kind of manipulation with scum-motivation and I don't really want to think you are scum right now because I liked your day 1 play.

You asked me if I have PeregrineV as town given he's made no posts. Of course I don't have him as town. That does not mean I'm willing to lynch him prior to having the basis for a read.

[Thor665]

So you might be willing to lynch him or you might not, and want to put him into a third category of 'undecided upon'?

I don't use that category - react to my reads with that in mind.

[Thor665]

Heck, if we want to include 'any read that can be adjusted by any further info' as a category than my 'willing to lynch' list is empty and my 'not willing to lynch' list is Thor.
Does that help?

[sangres]

Heck, if we want to include 'any read that can be adjusted by any further info' as a category than my 'willing to lynch' list is empty and my 'not willing to lynch' list is Thor.
Does that help?

My willing to lynch category contains players I think are scum. I don't put true nulls in that category.

Are we at a place where we know what each other means by "willing to lynch" and can discuss reads without getting into semantic difficulties?

Maybe this is unnecessary when you're talking with Nacho because he already knows what you mean by willing to lynch?

[borkjerfkin]

Following up:

I had Sugar cain as town for:

oh fuck, I slipped :/

and

this game is fast enough without Wayne's shit

though, I wouldn't really mind KBW either >.>

yes we are town Amrun, you don't know how pumped I am to actually be town after so many scumdrawings

~Sugar

I know for a fact Mara was burned out on scum games. I don't see any reason to have posted this other than genuine elation at having not drawn scum. Otherwise you have to believe that this was a trap for people like me who knows she feels this way and I just don't see that being likely at all. 688 also struck me as really town.

As for Thor, I feel like when I've seen Thor scum in the past (I was in a newbie with him where he was scum briefly, a long time ago, and there was a mini where we were doing the 'creeper club' where he was scum) he has pretty much gone out of his way to discredit his detractors / just generally be confrontational with people attacking him instead of actually trying to work stuff out / compromise.

I see absolutely no hint of that here. This looks more like Open 465 where I was scum and he was town and he was being reasonable.

[borkjerfkin]

People I am comfortable calling town right now:

mattp
thor
actiondan
sugar cain
nbh
desperado
titus
amrun
toogeloo

last two are because we've got plenty of people emphatically asserting they are town.

[Amrun]

Where is Matt on that list?

[borkjerfkin]

mattp

[borkjerfkin]

Or are you asking "how town do I think matt is?"

[Amrun]

sry

[borkjerfkin]

that is horrifying

[mastin2]

Alright, back from my weekend in paradise. All the lovely thrills of recovering from depression, yaaaaay! :P

*ahem*

Anywaaaaaaay, thankfully, this time, the topic's not locked, so that means I have to stop slacking off and actually do some work this game. :P

But I'll be blunt. It's plainly obvious to anyone paying attention--this is not a game we'll win by lynching scum.

It's a game we'll win by not lynching town.

Basically, via a townbloc and by POE'ing the names not on there. Now, granted, obviously we'll still be aiming to lynch scum, but the important bit is the townbloc. :P

So with that, a quick rundown of the town:

Tier 1:

Amrun and Toogeloo are basically conftown from their claims.

MattP--do I need to say why?

Sangres--nope, no Nacho paranoia here. He's as town as he gets this game.

Sugar Cain--I don't see the case against them. I'm not entirely sure, but I AM

reasonably

certain that this is Nero's townplay, here. If I had to give a percentage, I'd say I'm ~90% sure that he's town, and that's more than enough for me.

Tier 2:

Desperado--this might catch some players by surprise, but I've actually quite liked his posting thusfar. It seems right in line with what I understand to be his town self, though, granted, I haven't had enough exposure to be sure.

That said, again, I like his reasoning and like his posts overall.

OhGodMyLife--I'll be blunt. I've read and see the accusation of the scumslip...but I don't see the scumslip. Quite frankly, I don't see why there are so many votes on OGML. Admittedly, I'm more familiar with OGML as a mod than a player, but this is in line with what I understand to be OGML's townplay, not his scumplay.

No Brains Here--Honestly, the only reason they're not Tier 1 is because I historically have sucked at reading both of their halves, but especially DGB. :P Their posting seems incredibly town to me, and I'm not seeing any scum in there at all.

Thor665--similar to NBH, I'd have Thor as Tier 1 if I didn't historically

suck

at reading him. :P His posts look town, breathe town, and so, he's probably scum. :P (But in all seriousness, he's town.)



Those nine names are, as far as I'm concerned, unlynchable. That leaves:

Pitoli, RedCoyote, Titus, Bork, PV, M2, Aj, Elli, AD, and GIF.

Ten names remaining. So, I need to narrow it down a bit further.

Red Coyote:

His vote on StupendousKey was bad, as it allowed for the quick end to D1. You can argue whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but in general, it's considered a mark against a player. Additionally, the post which had it (730) seems a bit "shallow", so to speak, in that RC's not putting the passion of a town player I'd expect.

...

That said

, I still have him as a very weak townlean. Though the content may seem a bit empty (so to speak), the actual content itself looks reasonably town. Furthermore, RC's play is admittedly apathetic, which offers a nice justification for the hollow-looking posting. His heart doesn't look like he's into it because it's quite clear he's not into it. :P

Plus (this is only from memory), I seem to recall that RC always posts in a matter similar to this.

It's not a strong townread, but it's strong enough to where he's getting a pass.


Unfortunately, I can't say I've got townreads anywhere else.

Titus:

Jon Doe's posts rubbed me the wrong way for the majority of yesterday and today, for that matter. The stupid AtE that got half the hydra kicked out of the game

did

have an air of legitimacy around it, however. Titus's posts are overall better--not great, but better. So, my overall read is ambivalent, pending reread.

Bork:

Bork's posting is a whole lotta null. There may be some playstyle tells regarding bork (I seem to recall that), but I'm not familiar enough with him to actually know what they are. He could be town, he could be scum; I'll leave it to someone more qualified than I am. Gun to my head, though, I'd say more town than scum.

PV:

Not going to even try. :P I'll let others read him. He's the kind of player who I generally can catch if he's scum and interacts with his scumbuddies, but otherwise, my read on him will be off.

Aj:

Not a fan of his posting, but I seem to recall that I NEVER am. :P He's a scumread, but a weak one.

Ellibereth:

Admittedly, my meta of Elli is old, outdated, and not very detailed. However, I seem to recall that Elli's antics in this game are just Elli being Elli. There's not much to see, so I'm waiting for more info, to get a more concrete read.

ActionDan:

A decently-solid scumread of mine, and among my top candidates for a lynchin'.

GiF:

Not enough content to be certain, but what's there is fairly weak. I seem to recall GiF being a stronger player than this as town, and that this is in line with his scum meta. (Then again, I'm Mastin; my memory's faulty. :P)

And last but not least...

pitoli:

I have absolutely zero experience with pitoli. All I know about her is that she's apparently a fan of my MD work. :P I'm going back and forth on her in my head. Sometimes she's town, sometimes she's scum. Overall, I'm not liking what pitoli is saying and pushing, but pitoli's tone and apparent mindset

looks

town.

Let me put it to you this way. If she's as good a listener to my MD threads as I remember, she very easily could be scum who is using my tips against me. That is, her reads seem like they're pushing a scum agenda, but are pushing in a matter which

looks

like town. So overall, gun to my head, I'd say scum. But I don't know her well enough to be sure.


Now, let's compile this into a

Tier 3

:

Red Coyote
Bork
Titus


...Which leaves us with {mastin2, PV, Aj, Elli, ActionDan, GiF, pitoli} outside the townbloc.

"Uh...you

do

realize you have yourself in the lynch pool, right?"

...Crud, you're right. Um...err...how do I fix that?

...I'm town?

Yeah, let's go with that. I'm town, so don't lynch me. :P

(Yes, I wrote the entirety of this post JUST to set up that joke. :P)

Vote: ActionDan

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[MattP]

Ur not gonna get most memorable like that bro, toogeloo already has you beat by miles in this game with blues clues pic

[mastin2]

Tl;dr:

CONF-TOWN

:

Amrun
Toogeloo
Sangres
Sugar Cain
MattP

TOWN

:

Desperado
No Brains Here
OhGodMyLife
Thor665

Leaning Town

:

RedCoyote
Bork
Titus

Null

:

PV
Elli

Scum

?

ActionDan
GiF
pitoli
AJ the Epic

[Amrun]

mastin town.

[Titus]

mastin town.

Why does a list make someone town?

[Amrun]

Doesn't.

But he is.

[sangres]

Mastin, ISO AJ in the Xenoblade game.

Tell me what you think.

[Amrun]

mastin town.

Why does a list make someone town?

Why would you assume this?

[Titus]

mastin town.

Why does a list make someone town?

Why would you assume this?

You follow someone's list with a one line post saying that player is town. Naturally, I assume you're saying that player is town because of his list. So I wonder why.