The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[borkjerfkin]

where did I say that there was another SK?

1 SK kill
1 Scum kill
1 town kill <---- we are claiming this.

I am fairly certain that I made this clear. are you still somehow confused about this?

This is a fucking comical communication breakdown.

Let's step back.

You are saying you killed chesskid. Rad.
Scum killed <someone>
There was a third kill.
You are saying OGML is a traitor.

Are we on the same page?

[No Brains Here]

I have been wondering if the "hey your target may not always get killed!" has something to do with a hidden mechanic

This.

What makes you so certain you are the only player with a variation of this role?

erm I never said that? in fact I put forth a mechanic how our nk might not always work or related to other players.

It's my guess that there are several players who manipulate the horde, and that instead of RNGing out of 23 players, it actually only RNGs out of the targets that the players with the manipulating power choose. The mechanic states that anywhere between 0-2 kills will happen from walkers every night, so "Your target may not always get killed," thing is reiterating the mechanic itself as well as the possibility that someone else's manipulation beat your own.

there might indeed be more than one

town herder

.

I'd agree with you that Michonne is a badass with a sword, and would make a good vig, but Merle is just as good if not more proficient at killing, so he makes sense as well. Traitor from a flavor perspective doesn't really make sense since he antagonistic to the core group the entire show, and then finally comes around to their side after the Governor tries to make him kill his brother.

So unless he's a Mafia traitor

, I just don't see it flavorly speaking. However, what I could see from flavor is that Merle is always aligned with Mafia and OGML just claimed his actual flavor, but instead of a town wincon, he has a mafia one. Do I think this is the case, though? No, I do not.

that is exactly what I am saying.

you said earlier in the day round that the rifleshot was most likely the govner and the SK could be shane. are you backpedaling on that?

and merle wasn't just antagonistic he outright tried to kill them for the majority of the series. he beat the shit out of glen, fondled maggie, tried to rape and kill michonne.

and you now want to change your mind

after saying that merle was likely a SK to saying that he is now somehow town aligned. what changed your mind?

I have no desire to lynch OGML or NBH because they are not direct CCs of each other.

okay. vote yourself then cos I am good with that.

you have been blatantly role fishing all game

and you are backpedaling as if for your life and I am just going to take a stab that it is cos you don't want to see what is front of you. instead of working with me you are instead trying to discredit and dispel what I am saying. I can provide flavour links that support that

merle worked for the govner

and actively tried to harm members of the group. it wasn't until the very end of last season that he finally did something positive for the group. the timing of when you outed made no sense whatsover I mean you painted a target on yours and amrun's back for no reason that would benefit town. my number 1 lynch choice would be you right now.

[Sugar Cain]

no, I highly doubt that there's more than 1 town herder, a scum herder, sure.

[Sugar Cain]

Mollie, what are your three powers?

[Thor665]

Reading up on this Merle character - he sounds more pro-town than traitor to me.

[sangres]

I won't vote RedCoyote, NBH, ActionDan, MattP, and Sugar Cain in that list meaning our pool is looking more like:

PV, mastin2, AJ, Ellibereth, GiF. Don't want to vote Ellibereth that much today but he has to do something soon. I'll talk it over with ffery later and get back to you with a nice healthy wagon.

why are you staying away from us nacho?

I'm trying to sort out Thor. If you want to talk to me, then come talk to me.

What's going on here, sangres? In the same post, you say Elli and AD are scum together, but then later you say Elli is town.

When I said Elli and AD are scum together I meant Elli and AD AREN'T scum together, which should be clear by context. I do think that he is town, but there's a huuge difference between "I won't vote" and "I think this person is town".

Why do you have a town read on him and disagree with me being willing to lynch him?

I don't like lynching people I don't have an opinion on because it's a crapshoot. I enjoy lynching players who I have a scumread on most of all and it's really hard to give up that feeling for someone who has not posted.

So you might be willing to lynch him or you might not, and want to put him into a third category of 'undecided upon'?

My third category is "not begging for death quite so earnestly as others", which I'm sure is a category you can understand and get behind.

Dunno you'd have to ask him, but, no, I wouldn't expect him to decide when I list that many players that I mean 'lynch them immediately with no questions asked'.

I didn't! And by "don't wanna lynch" I hope you would know that means I have better fish that need frying elsewhere. Either that or I just fantasize about you knowing me better than you actually do

I think Elli is town.

I agree!

I killed Majiffy last night.

Why did you kill Majiffy last night?

Once again a walker sender is not a vig so you are dumb for ccing

hahahahahahahaha

[Titus]

Holy clusterbleep.

[sangres]

wait wait wait
i just stopped rereading because this truly is a priceless moment and priceless moments need moments like these where we all take a step back and think about this.
OGML is claiming to be vig. NBH is claiming to be a walker sender.
NBH is claiming to be a role centered around the mechanic that Venmar specifically came up with for this game (and he came up with it for a purpose, right? think hired help mafia where third party is used as a tool by scum and town), which essentially amounts to a slightly weaker vig.
OGML is claiming to be a stronger vig. Nothing related to the mechanic, and also existing with this role centered around the mechanic who is essentially his role but weaker.

So Venmar decided to design this awesome role centered around his mechanic and then another stronger role that completely ignores the mechanic but functions in the same role? Hell no. OGML is 3rd party serial killer. Meaning he can be leashed, or if he's not willing to be leashed, we kill the fuck out of him.

[No Brains Here]

Reading up on this Merle character - he sounds more pro-town than traitor to me.

Season 1

Merle first appears in the episode "Guts", along with a group of survivors who had traveled into Atlanta to scavenge for supplies.[5] While atop a department store roof, Merle begins firing a rifle at walkers on the street while the group demands that he stop.

Merle gets into a physical altercation with T-Dog (IronE Singleton) after Merle calls him a "[removed]" and subsequently beats T-Dog in a brief, intense fight.[5] After momentarily announcing himself leader of the group, Merle is blind-sided by

Rick Grimes

(Andrew Lincoln), who punches him and handcuffs him to a pipe before Merle can fight back

.[5] Merle is put under T-Dog's watch while the other survivors attempt to find a way out of the city.

He only appears once in season 2 in a hallucination to daryl.

Season 3

In the episode "Walk with Me", Merle is found to be living in Woodbury, where he has earned the status of the

Governor's right-hand

man.

He has fashioned a knife attachment onto the stump where his hand used to be. He has been hoping to find his brother, Daryl, since his own separation from the group. While investigating an incident involving a crashed helicopter, Merle and a group of survivors from Woodbury encounter Andrea, a fellow survivor from Atlanta, and Michonne, and bring them back to Woodbury, along with the sole survivor of the helicopter crash. In the episode "Killer Within", Andrea gives Merle directions to the last location where she had seen Daryl.

Merle is noticeably kept in line by The Governor, a sharp contrast to his nature in the Atlanta group

. In the episode "Hounded", at the Governor's orders Merle allows Michonne leave Woodbury but in the next episode, "Say the Word", the Governor sends Merle to lead a posse to hunt down Michonne. He wounds her and she kills members of the posse, but when Michonne escapes into the red zone, Merle calls off the hunt, reporting to The Governor that he killed her. Later on, Merle runs into Glenn and Maggie from the Atlanta group. He asks them to take him to Daryl. They refuse, so he holds Maggie hostage and demands Glenn drive them to Woodbury.

In the episode "When the Dead Come Knocking", Merle unsuccessfully tortures Glenn to obtain the location of the prison, including beating Glenn and leaving him locked in a room with a walker and tied to a chair

. In the episode "Made to Suffer", Rick's group infiltrates Woodbury and rescues Glenn and Maggie, Michonne attacks The Governor; furious at losing an eye and his (already dead) daughter to a woman Merle reported as dead, he publicly accuses Merle of treason and reveals that he has captured Daryl. In the episode "The Suicide King", The Governor orders Merle and Daryl to fight to the death, but they are saved by Rick and Maggie, who attack Woodbury. When Merle begins to insult the group, Rick knocks him out. Rick's group decides not to include Merle because of his attitude and his transgressions against Maggie and Glenn, but Daryl opts to leave the group to join Merle, refusing to leave his brother behind again.

[ActionDan]

well also NBH role does prevent random kills by 3rd party zombie hoard so it's stronger than you give it credit for.

[sangres]

We are Michonne. We send walkers.

In this game, the Zombie Horde will be a global entity that is not controlled by any faction or individual player.

???????? yea lets keep like speculating bc im sure DGB is a nice grl w/ vry positive intentions

matt what the fuck are you doing

My role INTERACTS WITH the mechanic

I do not CONTROL the mechanic

DGB is LYING

NBH INFLUENCES the mechanic
they do not CONTROL the mechanic

What I don't understand is how Michonne is a vig that "herds" Walkers. For one, if she is a Vig, why wouldn't she just use her Katana?

oh my god what is this shit

merle is the traitor and if you look at the timing of ogml's role claim really made no sense at the time but it does make sense and is great play from a traitor perspective.

SERIAL KILLER

It's more likely you're both town.

NO

since they count as town towards parity

this is your site, not ours.

[sangres]

well also NBH role does prevent random kills by 3rd party zombie hoard so it's stronger than you give it credit for.

the point is that we most likely have several vig-like roles centering around the zombie mechanic. as far as the setup goes, those vig-like roles count as our vigilante role. we do not have another vigilante role because that would be fucking stupid. OGML is a serial killer.

[ActionDan]

I guess if you count all roles that influence the zombies as "vig-like" then maybe. It's possible there are some that could be "zombie hoard doc"... although I can't think of much else.

I don't mind OGML being leashed seeing as how his Majiffy kill (that I don't remember him explaining) was absolutely terrible.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sangres wants me to be lynched because he's scum who knows I'm going to shoot him tonight.

And I'm done reading this stupid clusterfuck do what you want.

Remember though, I killed Majiffy, DGB killed Chesskid, ??? killed Trust Fund.... oh yeah, that's right, the mafia.

So Titus is scum and you're all fucking morons.

[sangres]

OGML are you willing to be leashed?

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm going to shoot you tonight, so unless that's the leash consensus absolutely not.

[sangres]

Sangres wants me to be lynched because he's scum who knows I'm going to shoot him tonight.

I think you should be leashed because you aren't even reading my posts at this point, serial killer.
And if you don't agree to that you should probably die. Otherwise I'm pretty down with having two lynches.

[sangres]

Then after you shoot us, you will be leashed.

[OhGodMyLife]

You're scum. Have fun eating a bullet tonight.

[ActionDan]

I don't remember anyone saying that Trust Fund wasn't an anti-town kill.

[ActionDan]

I mean after NBH claimed chesskid as her kill. Cuz I totally thought TF was a vig kill.

[sangres]

Then after you shoot us, you will be leashed.

No?

[OhGodMyLife]

Yeah but I do remember a bunch of dumbasses insisting I'm mafia / Majiffy is the mafia kill.

[OhGodMyLife]

After I shoot you I'll likely be dead so don't even worry about it.

[OhGodMyLife]

It'll be very flavor appropriate, Merle kills Governor's henchmen (or Governor himself if I'm really lucky) before getting eaten by zombies that Michonne sent.