NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Serene]

And in the interest of full disclosure

The three of us also think there's a high chance that Ank is scum who cleared Baby Spice and then bussed the shit out of his useless buddy TEODJFKEPPDJDDJ. The three of us think this because it sounds like something either of us would try as scum.

I mean who the hell wastes a cop guilty on THAT obvscum?

[DOMO]

Serene, do any of your heads think that pretend claiming masons with a random is something you might try as scum? What about with a scumbuddy?

My problem here is that you have this amazing idea that ank is scum because lol who looks up TMT (who looks up babyspice too?), but you expect us to believe that your ridiculous mason gambit came from town. This could appear like you're trying to increase the pool of potential lynches.

Let me be clear serene, you're ahead of ank in my willing-to-lynch list.

[Serene]

With a random player? Not as scum. That would be stupid, they'd deny you and you'd get lynched.

With a scum buddy? Absolutely, and in fact all three of us have done exactly that before. DGB and I famously claimed masons together as scum buddies in Gay Mafia I.

The thing is, dram not only didn't deny the claim, he let it keep going for four days. At any time, he could have put a stop to it. One of the claimed masons should be dead, but neither of us are. Dram and his team would have to keep us alive because our VT flip would have outed him.

The ank thing is my personal paranoia and may have rubbed off on the other heads. I don't want ank lynched now, I want dram lynched. Ank just needs to be kept in the back of your minds. Consider the circumstances of his claim, his continued survival as a claimed PR.

Again, had the cop guilty not come out when it did, we'd have come clean about dram yesterday. As it was, we figured we'd give him one more chance to get cross killed (we thought it was multiball until the Letters flip)

[DOMO]

Just did an ISO of ank, and he explains his babyspice investigation by saying that he tends to investigate people he has a hard time reading. Fair enough. As for TMT, ank was scumreading him and while I think TMT was being scumread by a lot of people, he wasn't picking up enough votes to be seriously in trouble, so again this investigation seems to correlate with his posts.

I'm not getting a fake cop feel from ank. It's risky to claim cop when scum because I don't think I've ever played a game where there's more than one cop, with the exception of my first game, which was diffusion of power, ie everyone is a night specific doc or cop. So if he gets counterclaimed, he's toast. The only benefit to claiming cop as scum is to draw a real cop out. This hasn't happened. So unless ank got lucky fakeclaiming cop in a game with no cop, I'm not buying him as scum.

I'll try to get through some more ISOs today.

pedit - let me be even more clear with you serene... I don't think you're scum. But I'm less convinced ank can be scum. If he is, then kudos. Yeah if he's still around at lylo, then questions need to be asked. If I find myself at lylo with ank and someone else, I won't be snap voting that someone else. But for now he's firmly in my town pool.

[DOMO]

babyspice ISO didn't take long... she is legit scummy, her votes seem to be on whoever is in the most trouble at that time. She's either town, scum with ank, or godfather.

If I were godfather, I'd be wanting to play in a scummy way so that the cop investigated me. This seems to correlate with her voting pattern. Babyspice also suggested that serene could pull off a mason fakeclaim as town, which might suggest she knows it's fake.

I doubt very much that she's scum with ank. I don't think I've ever seen scum fakeclaim cop and then clear a buddy. So most likely either town or godfather.

I'm not convinced babyspice is clear, but that should play itself out, so I'm not suggesting we lynch her any time soon.

[Rift Adrift]

I am so pissed about this game.

BROseidon - leaning town
DOMO - leaning town
penguin_alien - Formerly Slandar, formerly Metal Sonic - leaning town
Thirdkoopa - leaning town

Baezu - Formerly Brian Hollywod, null/scum moved slightly up for meta reasons that I am not sure should be taken into account tbh
KingCrabd - null, claimed RB
Shadi1337 - null, leaning scum because in-thread decisions look anti-town sometimes (e.g., leaving someone at L-1 so early in the game day)
StubbsKVM - null

Mason gambit:
Serene - claimed VT
dramonic - claimed BP town

Possible scum cop gambit in progress, or GF investigated
Ankamius
Baby Spice

jon_h61 - scum

The one thing that bothers me about Baby Spice is how she didn't snap into "I'm confirmed town" bahavior immediately. It was like she expected push back and didn't get it. I could be reading too much into those first few posts after Ank posted his investigation results. Since then there's been "confirmed" feel about her but it's been odd, somehow.

I'd much rather be straight up scumhunting than lynching over this mason bullshit.

[Serene]

All we're doing is asking that an open mind be kept

Keeping in mind the members of this hydra, all of us have pulled and seen some of the most audaciously ballsy scum gambits imaginable

It's merely something to keep in mind


While you're isoing go back to yesterday. DGB breadcrumbed that we had fakeclaimed in the event that we died last night. Might wanna check for reactions to that



pEdit: as I always say: claimed BP dies always, pretty simple

[DOMO]

Your ISO is too big serene, and I need to do some housework instead of wasting the day in front of the computer. Kindly link me to your crumb.

[Serene]

babyspice ISO didn't take long... she is legit scummy, her votes seem to be on whoever is in the most trouble at that time. She's either town, scum with ank, or godfather.

If I were godfather, I'd be wanting to play in a scummy way so that the cop investigated me. This seems to correlate with her voting pattern. Babyspice also suggested that serene could pull off a mason fakeclaim as town, which might suggest she knows it's fake.

I doubt very much that she's scum with ank. I don't think I've ever seen scum fakeclaim cop and then clear a buddy. So most likely either town or godfather.

I'm not convinced babyspice is clear, but that should play itself out, so I'm not suggesting we lynch her any time soon.

I once saw SpyreX claim hider and clear both town and a buddy

But if ank is scum, I think she's the clear that supports the claim

[Rift Adrift]

All we're doing is asking that an open mind be kept

Keeping in mind the members of this hydra, all of us have pulled and seen some of the most audaciously ballsy scum gambits imaginable

It's merely something to keep in mind


While you're isoing go back to yesterday. DGB breadcrumbed that we had fakeclaimed in the event that we died last night. Might wanna check for reactions to that



pEdit: as I always say: claimed BP dies always, pretty simple

We have no choice but to lynch dramonic, and probably you as well. And that pisses me off immensely given the rest of the game state.

[Serene]

Now everybody pay attention.

Orcinus knows I'm town.

But he wants my mason to be vig'ed.

That means he thinks that dram & I aren't scums claiming masons; no.

Orcinus KNOWS I'm town, and somehow I've pulled off fakeclaiming masons with some random player, WHOSE ALIGNMENT HE ALSO KNOWS.

And for some reason, he wants that player vig'ed. That reason is: orcinus is scum.

[Serene]

It's clear in that quote DGB expected us to die and dram to flip scum

Hence us thinking that Orc knew all of that

[Serene]

All we're doing is asking that an open mind be kept

Keeping in mind the members of this hydra, all of us have pulled and seen some of the most audaciously ballsy scum gambits imaginable

It's merely something to keep in mind


While you're isoing go back to yesterday. DGB breadcrumbed that we had fakeclaimed in the event that we died last night. Might wanna check for reactions to that



pEdit: as I always say: claimed BP dies always, pretty simple

We have no choice but to lynch dramonic, and probably you as well. And that pisses me off immensely given the rest of the game state.

Two dead scum and dram being caught out?

Why would that piss you off? Towns finally getting its shit together

[DOMO]

Yeah that crumb does make sense. Babyspice's comment about you pulling this fakeclaim off as town is in reaction to this crumb.

Dram's flip is going to be important. We have to remember he could be SK, not mafia, and in that case there's not going to be anyone who can be certain this mason claim is fake, other than of course serene and dram. If he flips mafia, well I suggest that those who remain ISO everyone else and look carefully at the reactions in general to the mason claim.

[Thirdkoopa]

i didn't know what to think of it because taco

But on a serious note, yeah, it was just a mason claim to me and Dram was just coasting.

What crumb?

Anyways, I think we should lynch Dram still because we don't know if we have an SK or we're in multiball. I thought about it, and at first I thought he was town from my Point of View, but then I remembered possible multiball among other things. To be honest, I think I'm probably the highest person to believe Dram's claim and I still think there's a high possibility of BS. (Just because baiting as a mason + My shot worked)

Meh. How long do you say we keep this day going? We don't need a week.

[Rift Adrift]

All we're doing is asking that an open mind be kept

Keeping in mind the members of this hydra, all of us have pulled and seen some of the most audaciously ballsy scum gambits imaginable

It's merely something to keep in mind


While you're isoing go back to yesterday. DGB breadcrumbed that we had fakeclaimed in the event that we died last night. Might wanna check for reactions to that



pEdit: as I always say: claimed BP dies always, pretty simple

We have no choice but to lynch dramonic, and probably you as well. And that pisses me off immensely given the rest of the game state.

Two dead scum and dram being caught out?

Why would that piss you off? Towns finally getting its shit together

I'm looking at worst case scenario, which is that you and dram are both town and we wind up lynching through both of you with Baby Spice still to sort.

I hope to hell dram flips scum but YOU said you CHOSE him for your gambit because you had a town read on him.

[DOMO]

Orcinus KNOWS I'm town, and somehow I've pulled off fakeclaiming masons with some random player, WHOSE ALIGNMENT HE ALSO KNOWS.

That crumb.

[Thirdkoopa]

Worst case scenario would blow in this case. The worst part is now our cleared towns and others have been made total WIFOM. I honestly think I'm going to be kept around till endgame at this rate. |:

[Serene]

We did choose him because we town read him

By day three, that read had changed

[Rift Adrift]

So did your orcinus read.

I'm done being morose about this. Dram's flip will help determine where town needs to look next.

@Jon I thought you had thoughts to share yesterday?

[Serene]

To be fair, we concluded sometime yesterday that other than Letters, every single one of our Day 1 reads had been wrong


I'm starting to think that the three of us are far better individually


Also our hydra QT is like 470 posts. And yes, it's a blast to read since someone mentioned that earlier

[dramonic]

You guys tried to lynch me Day 1. I know I'm town, and a PR, why would I counterclaim someone trying to protect me? If I did you derps woulda probably proceeded to lynch me. Basically what is happening now, to be fair, but you're horribly horribly wrong and it's amusing.

@Whoever suggested I'd self-hammer: I don't self-hammer, unless I'm scum and faced with very incriminating evidence. Since neither apply, I have no reason to try to kill myself?

@Serene: Please, you know that the odds of you being targetted for a kill are null, you already attract every other action in the game every other game, I'm a much more scrumptious target. Who the fuck would watch Dram, really?
Except, yknow, I don't DIE.
...Are you actually gonna pretend you didn't I'd obviously go along with a fake-mason claim? DO YOU NOT KNOW ME AT ALL?

Not gonna post a defense unless an attack is posted. Saying I shoulda counterclaimed is not an attack, it's dumb.

[Serene]

>:C

I don't want scum to be able to fakeclaim mason uncontested in the probable event that this isn't a scumgambit. Is nobody on the same wavelength as me here?

Well, if the scum manages to kill Serene and I simultaneously good for them.

That doesn't look like the words of someone unafraid of getting shot

[DOMO]

dram...

Ok dram, you're going to pretend to not be scum, that's cool, I'll play along.

Why, if you're town BP, did you not think it's better to immediately call bullshit on serene's claim, and play strong town to try to entice the scum into NK'ing you? Why sit back and watch serene clusterfuck the thread with spew while we mislynch people who she is pushing for? Why did you sit back and allow orc to take the crap he got and untilamtely take the vig's bullet when you KNOW that he's actually onto something when he distrusts you?

If you can show me the town motivation for your play as town BP, maybe I can remove my vote. I might also eat my ears.

[Thirdkoopa]

Also once again, has your BP been used up?
How long are we going to keep this going today?