In post 692, StubbsKVM wrote:Your play after day 1 hasn't been as good to say the least.
Miss Stranger was my top town read.
Nacho is my first scum option, although it's only because of the night actions, and not because of his play.
You're my other option, because I think Flay would have killed champino if he was scum.
You know you're town is not a valid argument by the way.
I know I'm town, but I'm pretty sure you won't believe me neither.
I'm trying to find more options for people being scum. If we're all here just waiting for Nacho to do all the work, why bother playing?
I have a lot of confidence in Nacho's scumhunting, and he has a flawless record on reading me. If Nacho is somehow town, I'm pretty confident he will find the scum.
If he's scum, we'll lynch him at lylo and have this in the bag anyway.
You keep complaining about me actually trying to find something, and the only thing you've got on me is my response to your post on day 2.
So you haven't limited it to me or nacho, yet champ is confirmed town, miss stranger is your strongest town read and you have written off mr flay based on champ not being targeted.
So please do tell me again how you haven't narrowed it down to just 2...
I can assure you that Nacho is going to vote for Generic. Not because he believes he is scummier than Stubbs but because he likes being a pain in the ass. And he'll hope we vote against him so that he can play the 'you never gave me my 2nd lynch' card.
Any chance you can just get on with it Nacho? I'm pretty sure that if you laid down a vote today we would have a lynch shortly after. Everyone just wants this game to flow until the point where we get to lynch you.
In post 671, Karnage wrote:1 - as BP, were any of your early posts designed to draw a NK? if so, which ones?
No. I draw NKs easily enough already.
In post 671, Karnage wrote:2 - I think your current read on generic is that he could be scum, is that accurate?
Yes.
If generic is scum, why would he have hammered antagon so quick at the end of day 1? A move you called incredibly town in 38.
In post 671, Karnage wrote:3 - Under what conditions is it appropriate for a massclaim?
What do you mean?
In Newbie 1388 you said "i think we should have a massclaim because it's optimal with one scum down." but in 474 you seemed to be against a massclaim even though we were one scum down. Why a massclaim in one but not the other?
Champ, if he chooses me I have said I would endorse it if it werent for my stance on self voting.
Doesn't mean you guys can't follow it.
And when we go into night phase, you guys will know who is the next lynch.
After that if by some fluke he was telling the truth, all I ask is you look very closely at Stubbs and make the informed decision whether I was right about him or not. If you feel there is a better last choice follow your gut, but to me it can only be Stubbs or nacho.
In post 664, Mr. Flay wrote:Generic still doesn't strike me as a good scum candidate. He could have stayed off the Antagonwagon D1, among many other things mentioned already.
I'm pretty tired of associative tells at present, actually. What are the other things mentioned already that you like the most?
Spoiler: The things that I just nodded along with during my initial read of the thread:
In post 85, Nachomamma8 wrote:I liked Generic's #61. I feel those sorts of things are overkill on page 3, but my perception of him as passive, coasting scum is clearly wrong.
In post 91, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think that Generic's response to pressure has been excellent; my original problem with him was that I thought he was trying to justify not providing analysis by claiming that he was afraid that everything he did would be taken as a joke and dismissed, but his recent analysis has blown that point out of the water. I also thought that his initial suspicion of me had very nice trajectory; the kneejerk response caused by OMGUS, that was slowly whittled away during the course of our exchange and ended up being leaning town, but not that town.
almost certainly town. Consistent and insightful analysis and good reaction to pressure from Nacho. Doesn't seem to care about compressing his posts content or rewording them, which is good. Excellent response to paranoid attacks from Champ. I don't think I can find something suspicious.
Generic's post 297 is Town as hell. Just go read it.
In post 338, Nachomamma8 wrote:
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This makes Generic incredibly, incredibly town. He didn't even give Antagon any time to pull out any counterclaims, which is the entire point of fakeclaiming a power role in the first place.
And then my own initial analysis, for a self-reminder:
avoided voting or commenting on it entirely when he came in at page 2. Gets VERY defensive when Nacho start hammering on him. By post 61 he was reading Antagon as Town, but flipped near the end of Day One when he could have stayed on Nacho if he was Antagon's scumbuddy. Due to the lack of Nightkills and the strong cross-group Generic Townread I strongly suspect he's been protected by someone at least once, and therefore Town. Also I find it impossible to believe a scum would even bother posting the "is it a two man or three man team"? blunder.
Furthermore, even the scummy-looking Town that we've mislynched have mostly called Generic Town. The ONE thing that gives me pause is that he should have been a NK target by now, but that way lies Wine In Front of Me... it's just as possible that scum believed he would be protected, and hunted elsewhere (though why they would be obsessed with Nacho is odd, if he's actually Town)
~108 posts have been made since then, only 10 a day or so.
~34 from Generic.
~19 from Stubbs.
~17 from Flay.
~14 from champino.
9 from Nacho.
6 from Karnage/Stranger.
Nacho is in the driver's seat. But he can make dozens of posts elsewhere... I'm not trying to lay the whole game on him, but I think it's very unprofessional of an IC to ignore this game if he is Town. If he's scum, of course, the reason for his apathy becomes clear...
How is it any different to lynching you now and nacho toMorrow?
I'm all for different ideas, but this doesn't have any difference to it at all.
And also, the trick with these things is to not declare champs target. Under your plan if you are town you basically are inviting mafia to no kill and auto lynch you through it.
I want a plan where we take back control, cos right now it feels like mafia are within reach of a win when they really shouldn't be.
