The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[Amrun]

Your "evidence" is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Scum asks two other players to hammer without reading. Conclusion? They're his scum buddies! Jesus fuck, it's so wrong I just want to curl up into fetal position and let someone else explain why it is so wrong.

[Sugar Cain]

Ok, I'll hold my reservations on meta judgment until then. Also, I'm going out of my way to really look at this meta since a lot of people disagree with me. Normally,

my belief is meta has little value since the player is aware of it

.

I asked questions to try and clarify whether Eli was scum in my mind (

was this his meta?

). I never got 100% clear responses although Brains is starting to be clear now.

[Titus]

Your "evidence" is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Scum asks two other players to hammer without reading. Conclusion? They're his scum buddies! Jesus fuck, it's so wrong I just want to curl up into fetal position and let someone else explain why it is so wrong.

And this is the discussion we should have had earlier, soon after the flip and evidence Eli could be horrible town with a setup by scum.

@Sugar Cain, if there's nothing else to use, I will use meta. I just don't like to.

[Amrun]

I did discuss it earlier. You ignored my perfectly logical post about it, that others agree with, and instead entertained whatever it is you're doing.

It's not inconceivable that one of them is scum, but very unlikely both are. They are both players chesskid knows (Dan especially) and reaching out in that way to them is not odd, but he'd be unlikely to do it if all three were scum.

[RedCoyote]

I'm still reading through the game, but I stopped for a break. I decided to check the last couple of pages with regards to Elli. I have seen Elli's posts in isolation. I have seen nothing to suggest this slot is helping the town in any significant way, nor do I find anything in Elli's behavior that would suggest he's secretly town or anything in that regard. Although I wouldn't say I have a quantifiable scumread on Elli, I would say that I don't have a townread on him. That's not a cop out; that's just the truth. He is objectively anti-town though. Further, The wagon is composed of a great many of my strong townreads. I would like to get my gigantic 100 page catchup post up for y'all, but I see no fundamental reason why this lynch shouldn't go through. In a game this large especially, there is no reason to be particularly picky about lynching specific players. If you're not helping the town, then you're subject to being lynched. I would arguably include myself in that mix too (assuming I were approaching this game from another player's point of view, of course). I'm a pragmatist as town if nothing else.

tl;dr = If a wagon checks most of the boxes, even if I am not fully caught up for everyone yet or haven't really been able to have my unique say, I'm happy to oblige it.

UNVOTE: Metal Sonic; VOTE: Ellibereth

[TheIrishPope]

At least announce it's L-1
And waiting for a claim

[RedCoyote]

Yeah, yeah. L-1.

[Metal Sonic]

hi tip

[TheIrishPope]

sup
r u maf

[Titus]

Intent to hammer if claim is bad. I basically agree with RC's thoughts on this one, so that moves him significantly more towards being town for your information Amrun.

[Sugar Cain]

Am I the only person who caught what this vote was about?

I saw no logic in it and dismissed it as flail.

I didn't see it as flail, given who posted it.

Interesting to note, however: Neither of you had any part in the discussion. May I ask how you came across the discussion?

I read way more than I post in the mafia discussion forum. In that particular instance, the topic was of interest to me because about that time I was playing an ungodly long newbie game and someone replaced into it at the start of day 2. He asked for a summary and I did a sort of conversational mode Q&A rather than a wall. It turned out to be a good way for us both to develop reads. There may be something to Mara's summary tell, but it's more nuanced than summary = scummy. The fact that it was the summary with the flowery turns of phrase and narrative style that pinged for her in this game probably says something about how she thinks about the tell, herself.

Of course there is? there aren't any tells that are black and white, though I just missed Thor's summary. Him and toogers are definitely not scum together though their separate summaries each have things in them that kinda bother me.

Pedit: I really, really do not like this Elli lynch

[Titus]

Am I the only person who caught what this vote was about?

I saw no logic in it and dismissed it as flail.

I didn't see it as flail, given who posted it.

Interesting to note, however: Neither of you had any part in the discussion. May I ask how you came across the discussion?

I read way more than I post in the mafia discussion forum. In that particular instance, the topic was of interest to me because about that time I was playing an ungodly long newbie game and someone replaced into it at the start of day 2. He asked for a summary and I did a sort of conversational mode Q&A rather than a wall. It turned out to be a good way for us both to develop reads. There may be something to Mara's summary tell, but it's more nuanced than summary = scummy. The fact that it was the summary with the flowery turns of phrase and narrative style that pinged for her in this game probably says something about how she thinks about the tell, herself.

Of course there is? there aren't any tells that are black and white, though I just missed Thor's summary. Him and toogers are definitely not scum together though their separate summaries each have things in them that kinda bother me.

Pedit: I really, really do not like this Elli lynch

Why not? He hasn't done anything particularly pro-town.

[Thor665]

Pedit: I really, really do not like this Elli lynch

You were on board with it earlier - what went wrong?

[RedCoyote]

Is it just me or does Sugar whine anytime there's an impending lynch?

[Thor665]

I think it's just the ones he disagrees with. He was hard wagoning earlier in the day when I first caught up.

[Thor665]

Heck, I'm pretty sure that's still the basis of his scum read on me.
Thor broke his wagons of choice and ran off giggling (manfully).

[Metal Sonic]

im VT loool

[TheIrishPope]

Sure? You're acting pretty scummy

[Sugar Cain]

He hasn't done anything particularly scummy?

Nero did like the Elli wagon earlier and I didn't oppose, though that was before you became the main pusher of that wagon

and no, that isn't the basis of our scum read on you but it is a pretty good addition to what I had stated earlier. I really, really do not see the town-motivation of following ones scum-read

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

deadline isn't till the 16th and I'd LOVE to see this catchup post from RC.

[Thor665]

Nero did like the Elli wagon earlier and I didn't oppose, though that was before you became the main pusher of that wagon

[Sugar Cain]

What is your read on RC?

[Amrun]

deadline isn't till the 16th and I'd LOVE to see this catchup post from RC.

Actually I would too.

Why the fuck did metal sonic just claim?

[Thor665]

What is your read on RC?

Still lynchable.

Why the Smurf did metal sonic just claim?

Why does it matter considering what he claimed?
Most of the game is currently claiming Vanilla Town.

[Amrun]

I don't recall anyone claiming vanilla town, actually.