Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Trust Fund]

Oh, I also forgot to
VOTE: FTL

I am Sasha and I approve this vote.

[Faster Than Light]

This game is moving so fast.
Anyway, pressure away, but it's pretty transparent when you say it's pressure. Not that it isn't useful, just transparent.


@SashaTrustFund: Of course you do, you fence-sitting coward.

-V

[notscience]

FTL, you assume I'm not playing the game when I am.

And right now, you are welcomed to my scumreads.

[Trust Fund]

MMmhmmm, yeah, look at me on the fence and certainly not on a wagon at all.

Man I must be a scumfuck.

Oh, wait.

~sasha

[Faster Than Light]

@Notscience: You assume I assume that you aren't playing the game. I saw and liked your post about TD understanding alignments about scum. What I'm calling for is for you to actively engage with the game, instead of prattle and distract town, which is what you do in some games.

@TrustSasha: I didn't say you were scum, you did. Guilty conscience, much? And when you agree with votes on me, but are on a different wagon, it's a fence. You can now reasonably swap to my wagon under the artificial defense of "I thought FTL was scum all along so -ploink-". I'm calling out that rubbish now. If you think someone is scum, vote for them.

[notscience]

Being a distraction is what I'm best at.

But why should I be a distraction to anyone now that my alignment is known?

[Trust Fund]

Two scums, one vote. I don't really care which of you gets lynched vs shot.
~sasha

[nickthename]

VOTE: Venmar

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum.

Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but

waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

So, if you look at post #48, TD jumped away from Venmar when I voted Ven, and actually told me not to vote him. This is completely inconsistent with Mac's version of events. Mac's been trying to justify a place on the TD wagon for a little while, but apparently he doesn't even know why he's on it.

" it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD."
But then when I took the initiative, he immediately backs off? That makes no sense.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: TD
Got what I needed, thanks!

[8] TiphaineDeath (Venmar, zMuffinMan, nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund)

+nhammen

For later.

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199 by TF is scummy.

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the fact we have a wagon build up this fast this early before everyone has even posted kinda sets up my scumdar a tad.

Bingo.

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Note to self: read later when I feel like reading poorly written garbage.

[Sound of Silence]

TownMac, I think.

Agree so far.

Venmar town.

Thoughts about nickthename?

[Faster Than Light]

@TrustSasha: You're perpetuating the accusation I made against you, then. It could easily be two Town, and you're pushing an easy mislynch on either based on town consensus, which, oh, hey, let's look at how reactionary your votes/opinions are to town consensus so far! You're either a sheep or scum hopping on a mislynch of two people you know are town--both options are anti-town.

@Notscience: Conf. Town can still distract and hinder town. Look, nevermind, just play.

@NicktheName: I dunno if that makes mac scummy or just wrong.

-V

[Trust Fund]

The analysis about Mac re TD looks legit, and something not surface-level.
~sasha

[Faster Than Light]

@Nick: I think your post about Mac does highlight why TD feels so scum, though.

[notscience]

Hi Majiffy

Pedit- No Varsoon, you said it, explain it. How do I distract?

[nickthename]

@Nick: I think your post about Mac does highlight why TD feels so scum, though.

I don't even know what this means.

[mastin2]

Gah, it figures. How many times has this happened to me? Over the weekend, things start? Silly bork; he should have learned his lesson last time! To say the least, that puts me a bit behind this game. Let's try not to get another 10 pages while I'm catching up, 'kay? Now with that said, it'll be a while--I have other things to attend to. So, that'll be it for now. Time for me to get to work. (Oh, gods. We're in for a very long game. No way to have me procrastinate

this

game! )

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Hi Science.

Hey if anyone wants to give me a hand (read: I'm lazy) if you could collect all the votes for the TD wagon into one post for me that'd really just be awesome and I'd love you the rest of the game.

[Faster Than Light]

@Notscience: Typically, when you post things that aren't wholly game related, or when an issue is being engaged with and you pull away from that to assert things otherwise. Usually, it's the not-so-game-related fluffiness that irks me. Whimsical one-liners and things like that. 85, 90, 103, 108, 133, 137, etc. You've got solid posts in your ISO where you make good points, but from time to time the whimsy overwhelms the pro-town side of things and it's a potentially exploitable thing for scum, imo.

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Hi Science.

Hey if anyone wants to give me a hand (read: I'm lazy) if you could collect all the votes for the TD wagon into one post for me that'd really just be awesome and I'd love you the rest of the game.

On it, champ.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You're a magnificent beast of wonder.

[Mac]

VOTE: Venmar

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum.

Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but

waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

So, if you look at post #48, TD jumped away from Venmar when I voted Ven, and actually told me not to vote him. This is completely inconsistent with Mac's version of events. Mac's been trying to justify a place on the TD wagon for a little while, but apparently he doesn't even know why he's on it.

" it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD."
But then when I took the initiative, he immediately backs off? That makes no sense.

ok. i was wrong. remind me why that makes me scum? I've justified my place on this wagon already.

also voting venmar for stupidity = policy lynch. despite td apparently hating them.

[Sound of Silence]

The analysis about Mac re TD looks legit, and something not surface-level.
~sasha

Yeah that post I liked. The vote-change speed was kinda dizzying, but I tend to think relative vote-stickyness is scummy. It's a meta thing, though, not absolute. So, leaning town even though I didn't like the Mac vote itself.

[Aj The Epic]

Huh. Regardless, got the reaction I was looking for from Venmar, so

Unvote

UNVOTE: TD
Got what I needed, thanks!

Are we all pretending we have reaction tests going in this game?

So far, the obvious choices for the early scum list are TFL, Nick, and TD deciding to vote for Venmar because of 'stupidity'. That's a copout reason. But I don't like the wagon, especially recently with weak votes from Nick and FTL. In fact, I really think Nick's true bad vote came on his vote on Mac, not TD. 210 and 218 felt like he was trying to pull some bullshit test off and even when he wants to vote Mac, he doesn't explain his reasoning for shit. He is obligated to explain such reasoning because he's suggesting a slip/misrep and therefore needs to bring it to light instead of saying "That's not what happened" when Mac essentially agreed with his original post.

VOTE: Nick

I actually am going to say TD's reactions feel genuine. He stepped bad and is feeling bogged down, which is something I completely understand.

TFL's attack on Nhaman was bad, which was really the first time I noticed him. I don't like MS on my own policy of him reading too fast to be useful, but the worst post from them was made by Varsoon, which surprised me. Off hand, what was Varsoon's allignment in Xenoblade? I didn't ever bother to check back in on the end result (stopped reading short of d4...)

Mollie/Jiffy and other hydras:

Spoiler:

When I sleep, I don't want nightmares about waking up to 70+ pages. Every game I in this category seems to love large post games. I've played Street Racers, Posh, and Xenoblades with the majority here, I know you're capable of posting that much. So you don't have to prove you are capable of 1,000+ pages d1 to prove you can. Got it?

P-edit: And the shit of this begins. Not even going to bother.

[nickthename]

I didn't like the Mac vote itself.

And why is that?

[Sound of Silence]

Gah, it figures. How many times has this happened to me? Over the weekend, things start? Silly bork; he should have learned his lesson last time! To say the least, that puts me a bit behind this game. Let's try not to get another 10 pages while I'm catching up, 'kay? Now with that said, it'll be a while--I have other things to attend to. So, that'll be it for now. Time for me to get to work. (Oh, gods. We're in for a very long game. No way to have me procrastinate

this

game! )

Bad news, Mastin. It started only a few hours ago.