Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Trust Fund]

Seriously, like.... I've only posted one gif and so many posts with text!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@B&B: Makes sense. We've got an early wagon we can analyse now. That's what I assumed, but I didn't remember you posting that straight out, but, rather, it felt like a later conclusion.
When you ask if I can't possibly be that stupid.
I also have no clue who your 319 is directed to.

-V

That was Mollie. If there's proper grammar, it's likely me (Majiffy). If not, it's Mollie.
If 319 has proper grammar, assume I was talking to Trust Fund. That's been my primary conversation as of late.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

-- Just checked, yeah it was to Trust Fund.

[nickthename]

Yall hydras need to sign ur shit.

[Sound of Silence]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

Soooo...what are your thoughts about FTL?

[Trust Fund]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

Not really. I know I play a clam towngame and I've seen plenty of emotional lashy scum. We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, jiffy, but that's fine. Talk to me about your (well, or mollie's) reasons for liking my post 145?

Varsoon scum is looking more and more likely.

Not that I disagree with the TD wagon, mind you.

I like you too

[Trust Fund]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

Soooo...what are your thoughts about FTL?

DAMMIT FFERY STOP MIND SNIPING ME

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

He's way too willing to be helpful but I need to prod him more.


p-edit: to ffery.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Want to take a look at the interplay tween B n B and SoS

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

yes cos fery and I would totally fall for that. I am so glad we have you to help sort that out.

I can't tell if this bugs me or not

does rach normally do this?

i dont recall it last game

she will make odd comments which make her look incredibly scummy but to me it looked like she was trying to find busywork. mine and fery's interactions are a magnet for scum when we are both town if you are town it is best to just leave us alone and do our thing. we are rarely wrong about each other and we certainly wouldn't be so dumb as to fall for some buddying trick

[notscience]

So

If scum are supposed to act calm

Does that mean anyone not throwing a shitstorm is scum?

[Sound of Silence]

I'm liking rach as town so far.

[Trust Fund]

Yall hydras need to sign ur shit.

No. It's certainly their right not to.
I don't mind, but SoS won't, and mollie/jiffy one is obv. Varsoon signs his shit too, so deal with it.

(SYR go get a deal with it gif to reply to this post later with)

[Venmar]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

- The fact you think scum don't flip out or rage or have more than just calm reactions proves to me I don't think you realize what you're talking about, and are just trying to make a one-sided argument ( that isn't one-sided ) to justify TD as town, which he is not.

Scum can rage, scum can have emotional outburts, ITS ALL PART OF TRYING TO LOOK TOWN. Scum just don't DO IT as well as town, and their rage is usually FAKE. I don't think TD's rage is coming from town.

PEditx9001: Let me post ffs

[Sound of Silence]

Also during this game I will be counting how many s Mastin use in this game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Not really. I know I play a clam towngame and I've seen plenty of emotional lashy scum. We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, jiffy, but that's fine. Talk to me about your (well, or mollie's) reasons for liking my post 145?

First off; that was Mollie.
Anyway - I think you're missing the point. It isn't about how you play; you were looking to cause emotional reactions, yes? So if you're

looking to cause emotional reactions

, why are you then

expecting a calm reaction

? Do you get my drift?

I wouldn't, for example, spit in someone's face and then expect them to call me a gentleman and a scholar.

It doesn't fit the narrative

. So if you're finding someone's

emotional reactions

scummy, you need to discern

what is scummy

about the reaction; because reacting emotional is a null tell. Both alignments can react emotionally. That's one way of scumhunting; eliciting emotional reactions.

So I'm asking you to tell me

what was scummy

about TD's reaction. And if your answer is "he was emotional!" you have failed to play the game properly, regardless of your alignment.

[Aj The Epic]

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

Not really. Someone like me doesn't want to be perceived as a person who completely flips shit all the time. I think it would be better if the majority of arguing in mafia was handled at a cold, anti-personal level but that's just me. I doubt this as a powerful scumtell, but I do use the opposite to find town... (Being genuine AtE vs fake)

[notscience]

She's had like what, 5 posts?

What do you think of the two leading wagons?

@SoS

Oh also AtE isn't a scumtell unless Mara is involved sooooo

[notscience]

Oh That post was all at SoS

She=Rach

Leading wagons=TD and FTL

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So

If scum are supposed to act calm

Does that mean anyone not throwing a shitstorm is scum?

If the intention is to cause a shitstorm, yes.

- The fact you think scum don't flip out or rage or have more than just calm reactions proves to me I don't think you realize what you're talking about

Hi, are you reading?

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

Apparently not. Fuck off, Venmar, I'm working.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

If mollie and I figure out that each other are town then we will at turns buddy the hell out of each other and suffer from intense paranoia. It will be fun for all.

Hi Majiffy.

If I werer PGO I'd play it similarly to what Venmar is doing.

I agree that Tiphaine's reaction wasn't cool. Also think that Varsoon and MS both seem off. Nachopappa (whom I will call Bert for the most part) isn't looking very town to me atm. But, I gather he usually doesn't when he's town.

almost want to call you town for this post

that might almost restore my faith in your ability to even recognize my town game.

oh I am terrible and retarded why the fuck are talking to me aren't you afraid it might be catching or something

plus I don't have a completed game with you where you were town on this site. try again

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

and how does the speed of a wagon arising have anything to do with alignment?

cos most speed lynches are on town

starting to like you now

[Sound of Silence]

He's way too willing to be helpful but I need to prod him more.


p-edit: to ffery.

Also the calm scum observation you made can't be universally applied. I'm not sure how well it applies to TD. Will have to do some research. I will say this doesn't look much like his Xeno 1 scum game, but he didn't come under that kind of sudden pressure ever at all in that game. By the time he was under vote pressure it was pretty close to endgame.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Not really. Someone like me doesn't want to be perceived as a person who completely flips shit all the time. I think it would be better if the majority of arguing in mafia was handled at a cold, anti-personal level but that's just me. I doubt this as a powerful scumtell, but I do use the opposite to find town... (Being genuine AtE vs fake)

My argument was not a blanket statement, it was a rebuke of Cabd's expectation of "calm reaction = town reaction".

Do try and keep up.

[notscience]

Ah

PM and Majiffy are posting at the same time

Now I get it

So, here's a question for the two of you.

What do you think of the reactions to my claiming?