Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

I'm going to do more of a Post Based Attack on FTL, because it works better for how I see him as scum.

Post#53, Gets set up to vote either me or venmar easily, depending on which way the wagon seems ready to crumble, and buddies nick, hard. note how later he votes venmar, then switches his vote to me as my wagon builds.

Post#76 is another buddy post, this time to BNB.

Post#99 should be read as "Damn, people aren't trying to lynch you, better get my vote off now and pretend it was a reaction test."

Post#144 should be read as "Hey look, a wagon building on the other one, BANZAI!"

Post#223 proves that his reaction test is shit. "All I wanted from venmar was to tell me I was waffling." Erm, DERP? Him saying that has nooooo bearing on being town or scum.

Post#226 "Only I may waffle!"

Post#229 "I'm not saying you're scum, just that you're acting scummy." This post also includes the brilliant line "If you think someone is scum, vote for them." Which is wrong on so many levels I am just not even going to start.

Post#235, more trustfund distancing.

Post#242, People need to learn to read better, I still haven't voted venmar this game.

Post#262+274 Soo much bnb buddying sooo much.

Post#303 "The people I'm on the wagon with are scummy as fuck, but I'm going to stay here anyways...."

Post#314 What the actual mother loving fuck is this shit? "Let me justify all these peoples votes as much as I can so they'll stay here and mislynch with me." And also the interaction with nick in this post is horrid.

The reason I'm not actually voting him, and am on mac instead comes next, because MS reads as town to me. Hydra dissonance... /problem. Then again I misread MS as scum when he was town soooooo, Dunno X_X.

Post#565 Misrep me harder, I dare you. I post plenty of why's for things. I've been yelling at people all game to try to get them to post why's for things. This is a post that clearly says, I can poke this and diminish it and it won't fight back and then I won't have to worry about it as much. Well that bush you just poked is a sleeping bear buddy. So back off.

[notscience]

Yeah

I take back TD being scum

I liked that above post

[nickthename]

Also Mac is town, and FTL is likely town, too.

Since these are fairly controversial, could you, like, post at least a summery of why you think them? No need for walls. Has your opinion of FTL changed any from 521? Why do you think Mac is town? I have a hard time swallowing that, especially after 245 where he acknowledges his primary reason for being on the TD wagon is wrong but then completely ignores it and keeps on wagoning.

Quote the reasons why mac is scum. I keep seeing you writing that "Mac is scum, mac slipped."
Show us where and why Mac is scum.

Iso me and/or TD, it's pretty much all been posted before.

[nickthename]

Also, @TD, could you please use

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When you make a post referencing other posts without quotes? Makes it easier to read.
/off-topic

[zMuffinMan]

Mac isn't a controversial read. Only you and TD are reading her as scum, and you're both wrong about it. If I need to go over why, I will later. Currently in the process of doing something else at the moment that requires much more of my attention.

As for FTL, the back-and-forth with the MS head is what gave me the town read, and again if I need to go into more detail, later.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, FTL is scum.

I'm getting the opposite sense, actually.

[nickthename]

Mac isn't a controversial read.

I'm contradicting you on it. It's controversial. Now explain it when you can.

[notscience]

Yeah, FTL is scum.

I'm getting the opposite sense, actually.

Why?

[Sound of Silence]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

[BROseidon]

I think the lack of text-walls from BRO is unsettling, but I'm usually used to more activity from him. BRO's contributions so far haven't pinged for me, but I'm skeptical of him.

Been at work, playing League (made Plat last night ), and asleep for the past 24 hours. Also, I'm trying to move away from massive wall-posting because some of my posts in Xenoblade seriously took 4+ hours with 10 pages spawning while I was walling.

pedit: Varsoon's tone. He's being more cogent than I'm used to, but the way in which he is doing it makes me think he's doing it from his town-self.

[nickthename]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

[BROseidon]

And the votes I'm thinking are the potential scum-votes on the TD wagon are Muffin, Mac, Ghost (++ to chances if Macscum), TF).

Are you done thinking yet?

Getting plat+ARAMs with friends+sleep>ISOing a bunch of people on day 1.

Will hopefully get to ISOing while I'm at work today, although I'm getting a less scummy feeling from muffinz and more from TF as I read through everything the first time.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

I have meta on you

[BROseidon]

Mac isn't a controversial read. Only you and TD are reading her as scum, and you're both wrong about it. If I need to go over why, I will later. Currently in the process of doing something else at the moment that requires much more of my attention.

As for FTL, the back-and-forth with the MS head is what gave me the town read, and again if I need to go into more detail, later.

...Ignores that I am also scumreading Mac.

The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.

Now that I'm fully caught up, I would be down for wagoning Mac or Rach. I could easily want to wagon Mala depending on what she posts when she comes in.

VOTE: Mac

[nickthename]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

I have meta on you

[Sound of Silence]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

I will posit a scary-good scum game and give you squinty-eyed stares for the rest of the game.

[Faster Than Light]

TD, your 525 feels pretty biased. I explain a lot of my approaches and your interpretations fly in the face of what I've written in the thread. It feels like you're reading my posts in the light of "This is how I could interpret this as scummy" rather than "How could I interpret these posts."
I have no clue what you mean about the question post earlier. My latest post behind that one does end in a question. I'm wondering if your frustration over how I've handled your case is painting how you're handling my case. I've polarized you, I feel. Does that make sense?

It's not a misrep of you when I'm positing an interpretation of your play toward you, in order to see how you respond.

Also, TD, you call it buddying, but I've already told you that I'm trying a much more friendly approach in this game. I'm sorry that you see trusting and doing work for other players/town as buddying. I think that, as a group, we've got to find scum. I found scum on my own in Xenoblade and all of you collectively shit on my reasoning. I'd rather not have that happen again.


@BRO: Congrats on Plat. I'm silver4life.
As for this game, I'm not sold on Mac. I think TD is scum, although now I'm leaning a bit more towards frustration-biased town. Still, if TD is scum, his hard push on the Mac wagon is either a desperation bus or a mislynch. I agree that mac is pretty scummy, and it's hard to refute TD's points against Mac, but I'm still not giving up on this one yet.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

To elaborate:
I feel that the points brought up against Mac expose him as scummy, and that it would be an easy exposure to exploit. That's why I'm trying to figure out the nature of TD's approach to this game, and why my vote stays where it is.

-V

[Sound of Silence]

Mac isn't a controversial read. Only you and TD are reading her as scum, and you're both wrong about it. If I need to go over why, I will later. Currently in the process of doing something else at the moment that requires much more of my attention.

As for FTL, the back-and-forth with the MS head is what gave me the town read, and again if I need to go into more detail, later.

...Ignores that I am also scumreading Mac.

The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.

Now that I'm fully caught up, I would be down for wagoning Mac or Rach. I could easily want to wagon Mala depending on what she posts when she comes in.

VOTE: Mac

Everyone took meta from that game and used the shit out of it in their ongoings. This is just another ongoing.

[BROseidon]

And nobody from the last game is going to be hyper-cognizant of their gameplay from last time and try to emulate it if they were town last time and scum this time.

Wait...

[Malakittens]

Catching up after work.

I was reading this game before I replaced in and thought B&B was scum, but I need to reread again before voting.

[Sound of Silence]

And nobody from the last game is going to be hyper-cognizant of their gameplay from last time and try to emulate it if they were town last time and scum this time.

Wait...

I am not seeing players replaying their previous town games so far. And there are quite a few players who weren't in the first Xeno game playing.

I'm not seeing players who were scum being all weird about that in this game. Except you. Maybe winning that game is the reason? I'm reluctant to ascribe your play so far to that, though.

I feel like you are kinda hyper-sensitive about Xeno 1 and don't look comfortable in this game at all so far.

[BROseidon]

I am not seeing players replaying their previous town games so far.

Elaborate on this point.

[Sound of Silence]

I am not seeing players replaying their previous town games so far.

Elaborate on this point.

I'm thinking about day 1 and I'm not seeing a lot of parallels in reactions to the negative utility PGO claim vs the first game's miller claim.

MS, Varsoon, Cabd, Ghostlin, Majiffy, and Nacho's 1 substantive post. None of them look like they are trying to reprise how they played early in Xeno 1.

You could argue that mollie is, but it just looks like her usual town game to me so far.

[Venmar]

Unvote: TD