Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

[Daemon385]

@Oil Tycoons

I only really mentioned that because I like to think of every possibility I can think could happen. Everything I posted in that wall was just kind of all my ideas thrown together in a big ball. I highly doubt it is the case. Just something I mental noted as a possibility. Even if unlikely.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

We lost like 9% of the meter in nine hours at this pace we're not going to have much time at all. Daemon385, morph the cat, and DTMaster especially what are you doing with your lives. Do you really think "Not Voting" is scum?

[ProHawk]

Tycoon -

This Game is the one where Cabd gets his baseline of me-reading him wrong.

Another Game.

First Game Together.

One other game is ongoing. I am pretty sure thats about all of them.

[Purpkin]

Why should we table discussion? I find Sakura the scummier of the two, but not necessarily the one I would like to lynch today.

I've been trying to get ahold of Mara for the better part of a day now, but everyone else in the QT is ok with it, and we're kinda stalled, so:

We are neighbors with MTC.

Have been since about the beginning of the game when they initiated it. Our interaction in the QT is making me think they are town.

You seem really determined to read them as scum though, no matter what they do (like your 664 -- what is scummy about their saying "I will meta this dude when I have time?"

Furthermore, your initial hop on them in #342 is contingent on "using another player to strengthen a lynching position and posture". That actually seems like something town would do to me -- use someone that has prior experience with a slot as an authoritative source for a better read -- especially when they have a town read on the slot doing that. Why is that scummy to you in the first place?

You just seem really locked into this tunnel and I can't figure out why that is.

"Potential Tip Partners" = 'in the event of a TIP scumflip, here is where you should look.' I don't get the problem.

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I like daemon for town.

[Andrius]

Curious to see how Sakura's semi-scumread of Saki panned out from an initial townread built on his meta of doing nothing as town.
Because I don't see how something like that would reverse if she's come to expect this from Saki's play. Anywho.

Dearest Andrius,

You don't have to write your posts in ye olde English but if you insist on writing like you've been instructed to type at the Prosimian School for WORDS AND STUFF I will be forced to ignore you and assume the position I've taken about your scumness is correct. Perhaps that is your desire but if it is not, you know how to get in touch with me.

Sincerely.
Debonair Daniel DiPietro

I had to look up 'Prosimian'.
I'll put more thought into my words so you can read them and we can have a positively lovely discourse over tea and crumpets.

Purpkin, I agree that Sakura's read on Saki is pretty bogus, but I am concerned about The Cat Hydra.

Do you read them as town? If you do could you help me understand why?

Bogus as in, the meta is bad or bogus as in the read changing as it did is bad?
Because I'm leaning more the latter.

Ugh, it's 3:30 AM here and I'm about to fall asleep. I was only able to get through his two recently completed town games.

I guess this is just for morph the cat since they're the only ones who seem to care about this stuff -- the games I'm looking at are: Xenoblade Mafia, League of Legends Mafia, Strategy Mafia, and Stars Aligned III (note: his two completed scum games are very old so proceed with caution here).

SAIII is very, very old and I wouldn't use it as a sample here, fwiw.
League and Xenoblade are recent examples. I'm pretty sure that Strategy Mafia is my most recent scumgame.

Hi guys, are we any closer to lynching Sakura yet.

Seriously does anyone get the 'TOWN BUT NOT HELPING VIBE'?
Because it doesn't exist.
There's an epidemic of bad players who think posting with no content and fucking parading around in an assembly of idiocy is ok and its not. At all.

Ugh, it's 3:30 AM here and I'm about to fall asleep. I was only able to get through his two recently completed town games.

I guess this is just for morph the cat since they're the only ones who seem to care about this stuff -- the games I'm looking at are: Xenoblade Mafia, League of Legends Mafia, Strategy Mafia, and Stars Aligned III (note: his two completed scum games are very old so proceed with caution here).

Tomorrow's my mom's birthday so I won't be able to post much if at all. Tierce should be back from having a life today so you'll be hearing more from her, and afterwards, my activity should be back at normal levels until the weekend.

We both played with him in Xenoblade. I'll review that one quickly and go through the others tonight if I have time. Otherwise tomorrow sometime. Should be ready to compare notes tomorrow night.

...Why would you have to reread it if you were in the game with me? D:

Andrius why does it feel that even without reading the game I can tell that your behavior is static

Because we can't all be dynamic characters/ the main character?

there is no evolution or progression in your reads?

There is. I'm not sure what you're exactly expecting here but things are happening.

[I will slaughter all your hobbits again if that's what it takes for you to shape up--and if you're scum, I will slaughter them anyway as a matter of principle.

Can't slaughter what's already dead.

Not Voting: Daemon385, morph the cat, DTMaster

guys stahp
guys pls

They are both kinda easy to lynch, which concerns me a little.

The fact they're both still here says otherwise?

It doesn't in a way I'm willing to reveal to you~

I don't get it.

I'm ready to talk. When and about what?

Oh, you've answered everything I asked of you (iirc) so you've done what I wanted I just was expecting a bit more love I guess. whatever ill settle with lld?



Jabberwock-

he did buddy his friends but it felt like he was overall much more serious with them and in one instance he was willing to chide his friends for being lazy/playing poorly

Clearly you didn't read the whole game if you only saw me chiding people

once

. That game was a shitshow and I'm pretty sure it happened way more often than that one time you linked.

part of the reason he's pinged my radar here is the feeling that he's buddying his friends to an exaggerated degree

I don't feel like anything's different here? Besides the whole FISRT GAME WITH TIERCE.
I mean if you want to talk buddying look at my games again.
I spent all of D1 trying to convince people Panzer (who was then a bro) was town by using ridiculous tells and meta from the actual LoL game.
I buddied Nacho and orc early in Xenoblade in order to slink into the shadows better by lining them up as townierthanthou so I could do things in the background.

I'm not sure why you think this game is more buddy-heavy than others especially since I know waaay less people here but ok. Moving on.

In LoL, he spends a decent portion of the early game suspecting IPie for being useless but ends up reversing his position later on down the road.

Well yes. But again, this game didn't really have a D1, and I had one set of reads.
In that game it took me three gamedays drawn up to deadline most every time (so we're talking MONTHS, not coupleday D1 and a week-long D2) to actually pull a useful read from pie's slot, among others.

So Saki's leaning town, I dont think he would have tried to save me with a perfect oportunity to pin that overreaction to me and get me lynched.
UNVOTE: Saki
Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/
@Nacho/Syry: What do you think of Morph?

No why stop your train of thought confuses me.

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Dang I'm out of scumreads now =/

Unvote, Vote: Sakura

Not changing reads throughout a 2week long game is one thing.
Not having more than one scumread, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.
I love this tell.

We are neighbors with MTC. Have been since about the beginning of the game when they initiated it. Our interaction in the QT is making me think they are town.

Can you help us to understand WHY?

I like daemon for town.

Why?

[Andrius]

fuck
I had something else to say but I don't remember what it is
shit

[Andrius]

OH

Jabberwock- you mentioned how you don't like how my reads don't change

What'd you think of my read/vote combo on 2 for the duration of D1 in Xenoblade Mafia?

[morph the cat]

Here's the long awaited Andrius meta post. I tried condensing it this time to make it a bit more readable. Morph, feel free to comment/add on to this. I'm writing/editing this at 4:30 AM so if any of this doesn't make sense, let me know.

Ok so one of the things I wanted to look at is how Andrius interacts with his friends in other games because part of the reason he's pinged my radar here is the feeling that he's buddying his friends to an exaggerated degree -- I could see him buddying as town, but it feels like it comes on a bit too strong and forced for me. In his other games, he did buddy his friends but it felt like he was overall much more serious with them and in one instance he was willing to chide his friends for being lazy/playing poorly (League of Legends Mafia, #779). Interactions with Nacho in Xenoblade were noteworthy in that he's not afraid to speak up when he disagrees with one of his reads even if he does end up putting Nacho's judgment above his own most of the time (see: the way he conducted himself towards the Aj the Epic wagon).

Another thing I wanted to check out is whether he has a habit of maintaining static reads as town and the impression I get from both of his town games is that he doesn't; in fact his reads tend to fluctuate quite a bit. In LoL, he spends a decent portion of the early game suspecting IPie for being useless but ends up reversing his position later on down the road. I remember the Varsoon read in Xenoblade fluctuating a lot, going from suspecting him early on for complaining-without-scumhunting to townreading him to being a main driver of the wagon on the day Varsoon got lynched.

As far as his scum games go, I don't know if this is Large Theme syndrome or what, but he tends to post a lot less and there's a way lower signal:noise ratio. Aside from that, I'm not really seeing any huge differences? I thought him insisting that he not be ignored in his interactions with LLD and Nacho was kinda town but I saw him doing something similar in SAIII after crumbing something that had to do with the mechanics of the game that I frankly don't care enough to go and check out.

I'm gonna go sleep on this and then reread this post and see how he lines up in this game to draw some conclusions from all this.

(Also, minor thing but I wanted to see if he reacts to cases as town by trying to guess at the reasons before the cases are put forth and he does! -- compare #647 (bottom) in this game with Xenoblade Mafia, #2232)

P-edit: Hi Nacho. I'll take a look at the mbf thing again when I wake up since I'm going to bed right now.

You looked for some things that I didn't think about when I read the games. I was mostly looking for tonal differences and style differences based on alignment. One of the first things I noticed in the earlier games was the way he used insults (but not so much in Xeno - maybe being more aware of the context changes how I read his posts). In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

At first I thought I was onto something regarding his shorter posts and his alignment, but the quantity of relatively short posts were often due to working with/through game mechanics in the earlier games.

Nacho, what are your thoughts?

[Andrius]

In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

This is surprisingly deep and accurate.

[morph the cat]

...Why would you have to reread it if you were in the game with me? D:

Because I was only in the game for one (really long and dreadful) day.

[Purpkin]

Can you help us to understand WHY?

They are collaborating with Mara and me to figure people out in a way that does not seem fake to me. They are giving as much as taking with regard to opinions.

Why [is daemon town]?

It is a gut feeling of honesty and candidness that is coming from every post he makes.

[morph the cat]

Confirming bork purpkin's post about our neighborhood.

[morph the cat]

Saki was due to posts 63 and 73, Nats was for the apparent distancing between the two. Dtwhatever for light buddying (and the weird as fuck 136), lady for their interactions specifically around posts 84, 97, and 106. Lady was really laying on the extra drama and flair to the questioning, and it felt a bit over the top.

I feel like the reasons are fairly evident if one goes back and looks at day one.

[morph the cat]

In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

This is surprisingly deep and accurate.

I didn't find your posts in Xeno particularly insulting which makes me think that context changes things a lot wrt your posts. If I had time to read all those games beginning to end instead of flipping here and there from iso to contextual perspective, I'd probably come away with a different opinion about some of the interactions.

[morph the cat]

In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

This is surprisingly deep and accurate.

I didn't find your posts in Xeno particularly insulting which makes me think that context changes things a lot wrt your posts. If I had time to read all those games beginning to end instead of flipping here and there from iso to contextual perspective, I'd probably come away with a different opinion about some of the interactions.

Go read his interactions with the letters/waynegg hydra, posting this here in case anyone not named ffery cares enough to go read it. A biiiiit more patronizing there.

[morph the cat]

Like I said. Context. :/

[Oil Tycoons]

Sup, bitches.

[Oil Tycoons]

So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

[morph the cat]

So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

I want Nacho's thoughts because he has a ton of experiential meta with Andrius compared to me.

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

[Oil Tycoons]

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

I'm in pretty much agreement with ya. You've talked to Nacho more recently than I, so I'm no help there.

Ignoring the "S-people clusterfuck" who do be you thinking scum?

[morph the cat]

So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

I want Nacho's thoughts because he has a ton of experiential meta with Andrius compared to me.

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

And the male half of the kitty agrees but minus the nacho need.

[morph the cat]

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

I'm in pretty much agreement with ya. You've talked to Nacho more recently than I, so I'm no help there.

Ignoring the "S-people clusterfuck" who do be you thinking scum?

I'm not liking Prohawk.

[Saki]

Willing to full-claim and self-hammer since battery power.

Not liking mtc anymore

[Oil Tycoons]

I'm not liking Prohawk.

Did Nacho talk about him at all?

[Oil Tycoons]

I'm not liking Prohawk.

Did Nacho talk about him at all?

Yay self ISO. Answer: no.

Well, he can come give his two cents later.

I don't like Prohawk either, and I haven't liked him since his opening post at the start of this Day phase. He's spent way too much time tunneling your slot to the exclusion of all else (especially when it's p obv the slot is town to a bunch of other obvious townsfolk and townscreatures) and the timing of his little "hey the old man might be scum cuz disingenuous was damn convenient considering we just got protected afask.