Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

BeautyAndTheBeast slot will be resolved as soon as a hear back from Majiffy. If he does not stay on, a replacement will be requested.

[Sound of Silence]

I'd rather replace out and let you continue mollie if that's acceptable.

[Malakittens]

Then why are you reading us wrong?

Ftr that's a lot of scum reads.

Also I'm scum because I'm reading you as scum?

Please, please tell me that's not true.

Predit:

Mollie why. I joined because I wanted to play with you >_>

[Andrius]

DAMN this thread exploded.
Going to go grocery shopping and then I'll be here.

[thezmon221]

This is wrong in several ways. First off, my first write up of my reason for voting mac came

14 minutes after my initial vote.

Perhaps this isn't immediate enough for you, but it took me a little while to double check what I was talking about and find the quotes I wanted.

I can create a case of that stature in 14 minutes. Not to mention, half of the case holds barely no water anyways.

\because if my partner thinks he is scum there must be a reason and so i am going to ask him

If you think he's town and Varsoon thinks he's scum, you don't think you could find a read you guys, y'know, don't contrast on?

who cares about where the vote goes anyway what matters is a wagon push, not really pushing whatever atm lets see what varsoon has to say

What.

Mac isn't a controversial read.

I'm contradicting you on it. It's controversial. Now explain it when you can.

Bro. One or two people thinking Mac is scum for weak reasoning whereas everyone else has him as town is not controversial. That's you not reading him right.

BRO, your liar tell is a reach at best. There’s no way you’re serious right about now.

{FTL,

Malakittens

, nickthename}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar, Thezmon, Nacho, Muffin}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Rach, Skull}

Pretty much ok with speedlynching any of the scum reads at this point, they're all pretty strong. I'd say FTL is the weakest, which should be an indicator.

Why is Mala there? nhammen did jack little shit, and she hasn't done much since replacement.

Replacements, please post. Nacho's catchup is a good model for this. I will hold you accountable for catching up. Nothing annoys me more than parroty-shitty-town that hasn't caught up. It annoyed me in 512 when I was scum, and it annoys me here, too.

It's like you've yet to read my posts at all. Last I checked, I read the wole thread, posted my reads, and then went ahead and created my case for my strongest scum read, and then some.

So go read those posts before you challenge me to bullshit.

[TiphaineDeath]

But mollie... <3 .

[Trust Fund]

HALLO MY CHILDREN

COLIN HATH ARRIVED

[Trust Fund]

mollie

mollieollieollie

plz come back

i wont let the mean fery hurt you again

i swear

[Venmar]

DAMN this thread exploded.

Going to go grocery shopping

and then I'll be here.

Lol what a badass

[Trust Fund]

DAMN this thread exploded.

Going to go grocery shopping

and then I'll be here.

Lol what a badass

Just wait until he busts out the tea and crumpets

[Andrius]

the rage is rising in me so damn quickly

[RachMarie]

Mollie Please dont go

[Venmar]

Ok i've been such a douche so far this game, sorry Mollie/Majiffy, and everyone else, I was in a bad mood in general yesterday. Gonna try to set things straight.

I'm still trying to iron things out, but atm I feel comfortable calling BnB, Muffin, notscience, and I think Trust Fund as town.

I have TD currently as null, I still have my doubts on the guy but I think his recent posts have been a very large improvement from what he has done earlier on in the game, seeing some town motivation here.

Going to need to see more from Nacho before I make any reads on him, i'll let you guys know if he's town or scum soon enough.

Scumreads right now are probably Mastin and FTL

Everyone else I don't really have concrete reads on yet, so mostly null. I'm getting on top of this game soon guys.

[RachMarie]

z dude you do realize that the top three on their list were their scummiest reads right?

[nickthename]

This is wrong in several ways. First off, my first write up of my reason for voting mac came

14 minutes after my initial vote.

Perhaps this isn't immediate enough for you, but it took me a little while to double check what I was talking about and find the quotes I wanted.

I can create a case of that stature in 14 minutes. Not to mention, half of the case holds barely no water anyways.

Are you seriously accusing me of voting someone for no reason, then immediately deciding I needed to manufacture a case? And this seems more logical to you then that I just voted immediately then went about writing up the reason that I already had for why I was voting?

Also, do you care to rebut the case, or just say you don't think it makes sense?

Mac isn't a controversial read.

I'm contradicting you on it. It's controversial. Now explain it when you can.

Bro. One or two people thinking Mac is scum for weak reasoning whereas everyone else has him as town is not controversial. That's you not reading him right.

First off, TD, me, and BRO, that's 3 people. I would call three people disagreeing with your read reason enough to explain your reasoning, no? What do you have against him explaining his read?

[notscience]

HEy guys

Venmar thinks I'm town

HI SYRY I WANT FUNNY GIFS PLS

Mollie don't replace ;-;

[Trust Fund]

the rage is rising in me so damn quickly

Dayvig or it didn't happen!

Mollie Please dont go

Who do YOU think is scum?

Scumreads right now are probably Mastin

This I'm actually interested to hear.

HEy guys

Venmar thinks I'm town

HI SYRY I WANT FUNNY GIFS PLS

Mollie don't replace ;-;

No.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho came in. Nacho, when you've got some time, I want to talk.

Hello.

Nacho next time you are itt what are your thoughts about BRO?

Don't have any yet. Do you?

Hi Nacho

That's all you have for me...?

Now that I'm fully caught up, I would be down for wagoning Mac or Rach. I could easily want to wagon Mala depending on what she posts when she comes in.

Have you said anything interesting this game...?

To be fair nobody ever listens to my scumreads just like nobody wanted to listen to me about Rach in the last Xeno so I had to kill myself to get you people to realize it. Perhaps I shouldn't even try in this game.

The above unvote is actually me rethinking my read a little bit, but keep what I just said above in mind.

I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?

Unvote, Vote: BRO

[BROseidon]

Have you said anything interesting this game...?

Early townread on TD and early (and still one of the few) scumreads on Mac. Also seem to be against consensus on townreading FTL and Nick.

[nickthename]

Unvote, Vote: BRO

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.

[Venmar]

@Nacho - There wasn't really anything to address, you just called me scum and voted for me. Not ignoring you bbg, what do you want to talk about?

[BROseidon]

Also I was early on to the "nhammen is scum" thought.

So yeah, decent amount of interesting stuff in there.

[thezmon221]

z dude you do realize that the top three on their list were their scummiest reads right?

Are you talking to me?

\Are you seriously accusing me of voting someone for no reason, then immediately deciding I needed to manufacture a case? And this seems more logical to you then that I just voted immediately then went about writing up the reason that I already had for why I was voting?

Also, do you care to rebut the case, or just say you don't think it makes sense?

It seems pretty logical to me that your case overall feels fabricated.

First off, TD, me, and BRO, that's 3 people. I would call three people disagreeing with your read reason enough to explain your reasoning, no? What do you have against him explaining his read?

See, what happens when you go ahead and interject like that is that you don't understand. I didn't say it was bad to question the reasoning. I said it's not controversial. Something controversial would be me saying notscience is scum, even though he's an Innocent Child, and then providing a more than adequate case which would display how he has been playing in a scummy matter.

Nonetheless, continue.

Spoiler:

Case on Mac.

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

His initial reason for getting on the wagon is pretty insubstantial

Why him specifically? Most of the people on the wagon initially jumped on because of this very same thing.

we are most certainly not done with it.

stop running away.

pretty sure you are running away.
now answer the questions asked at you or be lynched. it's simple.

And yet he follows up pushing the wagon without really posting his own reason.
I'm not posting the whole iso, but suffice to say up till 208 he doesn't give a reason for being on the wagon, despite pushing it heavily.

Post 138 disagrees.

It's not a mother fucking policy lynch, I didn't push a lynch on venmar, I never voted venmar, and I hate policy lynches. Remove-head-from-rectum-conf-town.

and yet you said you were "heavily tempted" to vote Venmar earlier

But TD explained in his very next post that he only said that out of frustration, and never intended to actually vote him. Mac seems to have ignored that post entirely.

So what you're telling me... is that he's wrong for not reading a backtrack? I'd understand if this was like, y'know, something less scummy. But TD backtracked the hell out of that post. He went all guns blazing at Venmar, only to later say, "Oh, I never REALLY wanted to vote him!"

...Remind me why it's scummy to assume such behavior?

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

As I said early, this is simply incompatible with what Ven and TD actually said there. This is either joining and staying on a big wagon without even reading the reason cited for being on it, or blatent misrepping.

Eh, I'll give you this point.

ok. i was wrong. remind me why that makes me scum? I've justified my place on this wagon already.

also voting venmar for stupidity = policy lynch. despite td apparently hating them.

What you were wrong about

was

your justification for being on the wagon, did you even read what I said?
Also, TD never voted venmar for stupidity, which is consistent with his dislike of PLs. That's not a reason to vote TD.

As far as why it makes you scum, well, obviously you aren't confirmed scum for it, but hopping on, staying on, and pushing a large wagon without bothering to read the posts of or try to understand the intent of the person you are wagoning doesn't seem at all town to me.

His position looked justified to me by other posts that TD had made with his flailing. Unless, of course, Mac voted him solely based on post 217. However, I don't believe that to be the case.

Will someone please give me the Malakittens/nhammen scum case please? kkthxbai.

[Andrius]

~fanfare~

[Venmar]

@Trust Fund - Mastin scumread is mainly gut, but I don't think this is his town meta. He tries really hard as scum to appeal to others, which is basically all of what his 2 posts are, him complaining and trying really hard to look town. Both of his posts have like 0 content in them and don't hold much fruit, they're just him complaining/AtEing and not doing any kind of substantial scumhunting or being productive, which is what he said he would be in his 1st post (#240), but 228 posts later he comes with with his 2nd post (#448) with him just complaining and slapping on random reads.

Not to mention Mastin-town is way more productive and active, and generally is an active scumhunter. As scum he tends to be more appealing and passive, and tends to choose weird and obscure ( or unpopular ) votes in general.

I think i'll have to develop this read a bit further... it's still mostly gut despite of what I just said above. I'll make a vote somewhat shortly.