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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:28 am

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In post 671, thezmon221 wrote:Do you actually have your own reasoning, or are you merely trusting someone else's gut (not even your own)?
Venmar's reasoning is spectacularly good. Once I read mastin's pitiful AtE laden posts and confirmed Venmar wasn't a dipshit or a liar, I was perfectly happy to place my vote on mastin.

So, you and your leading questions can very kindly choke on it.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:29 am

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In post 672, notscience wrote:It was my role, I used it as I saw fit. You crying doesn't change the past. I already said I was bored and decided to use it.
This is why you don't get gifs, because you really shouldn't bother playing Mafia in the first place.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:30 am

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Then explain what reactions you have benefited from, and what they've given you, please and thank you.
Trust Fund wrote:
In post 671, thezmon221 wrote:Do you actually have your own reasoning, or are you merely trusting someone else's gut (not even your own)?
Venmar's reasoning is spectacularly good. Once I read mastin's pitiful AtE laden posts and confirmed Venmar wasn't a dipshit or a liar, I was perfectly happy to place my vote on mastin.

So, you and your leading questions can very kindly choke on it.
Such hostility. I didn't say it was terrible. In fact, I agree with you that Venmar probably has something going there. It's influenced mastin into a more null-scum. I was just curious if you had other basis for your vote.

No need to make me cry, TF.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:30 am

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UNVOTE:

need to reread some posts and pages.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:31 am

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For future reference, that was Cabd or Syr?
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:31 am

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In post 676, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 672, notscience wrote:It was my role, I used it as I saw fit. You crying doesn't change the past. I already said I was bored and decided to use it.
This is why you don't get gifs, because you really shouldn't bother playing Mafia in the first place.
;-;

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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:33 am

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In post 677, thezmon221 wrote:Such hostility. I didn't say it was terrible. In fact, I agree with you that Venmar probably has something going there. It's influenced mastin into a more null-scum. I was just curious if you had other basis for your vote.

No need to make me cry, TF.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:35 am

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In post 679, thezmon221 wrote:For future reference, that was Cabd or Syr?
This is the one, the only, the mighty, Syryana.

So, since you're so talkative and things, pretend mastin doesn't exist. Who do you think is scum?
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:36 am

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As of right now, my three reads are FTL, nickthename, and RachMarie. I have given reasons for them before, so please ISO me if you want them, because I am feeling lazy about restating them.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:39 am

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Spoiler: Reactions
In post 201, nickthename wrote:@nhammen
You need to take your meds and chill out, it's a game.
In post 193, borkjerfkin wrote:
notscience has elected to identify as
Midori Uzuki of the Nisan Alliance.
Well, that was dumb.
Doesn't this ring a bell? Who was it saying about calm reactions?
In post 202, Sound of Silence wrote:I'd ask what the motivation for that was, but hell if it even matters.
Reprimand
In post 223, Faster Than Light wrote:@Nhammen: I don't like that when I fucking explain why I read something as null, everyone throws their hats in the air and goes WAFFLES
I don't like that when I play straight-forward town, everyone's like "VARSOON SO SCUM" because I did it in like one other game somewhere.
It's not a -reaction test- "defense" when I outright GOT VENMAR TO REPLY IN A GENUINE WAY THAT LET ME READ HIM BETTER. I'm milking the interaction between him and TD for info, something other players aren't. Please note that Notscience and NachoPappa haven't engaged too much on either side and half of the player list hasn't even fucking posted a decent contribution.
IF I THINK OF SOMETHING TO WRITE AFTER MY POST, I WILL WRITE IT. THREADS WILL BE SPAMMED AT A SPEED FASTER THAN LIGHT.
As far as the reason why I thought that nickthename was voting him without saying so--I thought it was a soft counter-claim until Nick explained his vote, which made me less assured of my own. Also, I got the reaction I wanted out of Venmar, which was essentially the same waffle-accusation bullshit I'm getting from you. Engage my posts, rather than writing them off, please.

@Trust: Don't you think it's ironic that you see me as scum, but have a vote on the same guy as me?

If anyone wants to discuss things, I'm here to do so.

@Notscience: Now that you're confirmed town, you need to play the game. I was in Open 512 with Pasche, who was Innocent Child and he gave up playing after his IC reveal. Now you don't have to convince us that you're town, so please actually contribute to the thread and catch scum. What's the worst that can happen, they waste an NK on you?

-V
Reprimand
In post 194, Trust Fund wrote:OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
Flipping out, like 1 post after it.
In post 196, TiphaineDeath wrote:What-the-princess-pgo-everyone-claiming-ever-loving-FUCK!
This sounds fake.
In post 197, Trust Fund wrote:....That was the worst possible thing you could have done with your role D1, ns.
Reprimand.
In post 199, Trust Fund wrote:I'm aware, but you could have gathered a wagon, effectively giving us day one wagon analysis without anyone being dead. Instead you did it this early, so the info we'd have gained from your role is WORTHLESS.
Reasonings with reprimand.


Andy's post too.

Of all these reactions, the only that sounds LEGITIMATELY decent is TF's. TD's was fake as fuck, and I can guarantee you one of the people reprimanding me is scum. Andy has a decent chance too.
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:39 am

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Spoiler: Reactions
In post 201, nickthename wrote:@nhammen
You need to take your meds and chill out, it's a game.
In post 193, borkjerfkin wrote:
notscience has elected to identify as
Midori Uzuki of the Nisan Alliance.
Well, that was dumb.
Doesn't this ring a bell? Who was it saying about calm reactions?
In post 202, Sound of Silence wrote:I'd ask what the motivation for that was, but hell if it even matters.
Reprimand
In post 223, Faster Than Light wrote:@Nhammen: I don't like that when I fucking explain why I read something as null, everyone throws their hats in the air and goes WAFFLES
I don't like that when I play straight-forward town, everyone's like "VARSOON SO SCUM" because I did it in like one other game somewhere.
It's not a -reaction test- "defense" when I outright GOT VENMAR TO REPLY IN A GENUINE WAY THAT LET ME READ HIM BETTER. I'm milking the interaction between him and TD for info, something other players aren't. Please note that Notscience and NachoPappa haven't engaged too much on either side and half of the player list hasn't even fucking posted a decent contribution.
IF I THINK OF SOMETHING TO WRITE AFTER MY POST, I WILL WRITE IT. THREADS WILL BE SPAMMED AT A SPEED FASTER THAN LIGHT.
As far as the reason why I thought that nickthename was voting him without saying so--I thought it was a soft counter-claim until Nick explained his vote, which made me less assured of my own. Also, I got the reaction I wanted out of Venmar, which was essentially the same waffle-accusation bullshit I'm getting from you. Engage my posts, rather than writing them off, please.

@Trust: Don't you think it's ironic that you see me as scum, but have a vote on the same guy as me?

If anyone wants to discuss things, I'm here to do so.

@Notscience: Now that you're confirmed town, you need to play the game. I was in Open 512 with Pasche, who was Innocent Child and he gave up playing after his IC reveal. Now you don't have to convince us that you're town, so please actually contribute to the thread and catch scum. What's the worst that can happen, they waste an NK on you?

-V
Reprimand
In post 194, Trust Fund wrote:OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
Flipping out, like 1 post after it.
In post 196, TiphaineDeath wrote:What-the-princess-pgo-everyone-claiming-ever-loving-FUCK!
This sounds fake.
In post 197, Trust Fund wrote:....That was the worst possible thing you could have done with your role D1, ns.
Reprimand.
In post 199, Trust Fund wrote:I'm aware, but you could have gathered a wagon, effectively giving us day one wagon analysis without anyone being dead. Instead you did it this early, so the info we'd have gained from your role is WORTHLESS.
Reasonings with reprimand.


Andy's post too.

Of all these reactions, the only that sounds LEGITIMATELY decent is TF's. TD's was fake as fuck, and I can guarantee you one of the people reprimanding me is scum. Andy has a decent chance too.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:41 am

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NS you forgot me calling you an idiot for playing IC wrong.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:43 am

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In post 267, BROseidon wrote:Why does everyone ever who rolls IC play it like an idiot. YES, WE ALL SAW YOUR OBVIOUS CRUMB, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO AND CONFIRM IT FOR SCUM.
Yes, thanks for reminding me

AtE. "Ugh every IC always does this ;-;" And shouldn't scum be looking for crumbs moreso than town?
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:49 am

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In post 683, thezmon221 wrote:As of right now, my three reads are FTL, nickthename, and RachMarie. I have given reasons for them before, so please ISO me if you want them, because I am feeling lazy about restating them.
I will do more investigation on nick. I like your other two.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:49 am

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Congratulations! You found out that everyone indirectly called you an idiot for playing the IC-role poorly.

Now, what have these
amazing
reactions told you thus far, NS? Other than the fact that you are playing IC badly right now?

PEDIT:
Trust Fund wrote:
In post 683, thezmon221 wrote:As of right now, my three reads are FTL, nickthename, and RachMarie. I have given reasons for them before, so please ISO me if you want them, because I am feeling lazy about restating them.
I will do more investigation on nick. I like your other two.
Do you have any scum reads apart from the three aforementioned?
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:50 am

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I fail to see anything useful in those reactions.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:51 am

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I love how you dismiss everything I say thez.

Look at the reactions and tell me none of them are strange.

Pedit- Nick, that's because your reaction pegged you as scum so you're mudslinging me now sit down, shut up and prepare to eat rope.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:53 am

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In post 450, Sound of Silence wrote:What's the basis for your scum reads?
Not much? I haven't liked zMuffinMan's posts, and nick's posts were largely null, with some potentially-town and some potentially-scum, but nick's later posts progressively tipped him towards being scum. If I had more than that, I'd have said so. :P But really, that's it. Which is why I suck. I should have more. I'm feeling, like, DoRC-level useless this game, whereas I
should
be doing Underground Mafia-level usefulness.

To put it simply: this is the kind of game where I'll be dead (via nightkill, mind you) within a few nights, without leaving anything useful behind. Why? Because it'll take me too long to get in my element, to find my stride, to lock into the scumminess and the scumteam. Any hope I have of doing so will almost certainly be in a later game phase, by which time the scum will have eliminated me. (Why? Because, looking at the playerlist, almost all the players here know me, either by experience or reputation. They all expect me to be competent. And they all know that even when I'm
not
being competent, all it'd take is a single post, a single night phase, a single trigger which can be anything, to turn me from being utterly-useless to deadly-effective. Because that's Mastin. Someone who can see things others miss.)

Which, again, is why I owe the town an apology. (And for that matter, an apology to any scum members expecting me to be more of a threat than I currently am. :P) Because I'm
not
living up to what I should be, and I feel horrible for it.
In post 475, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 448, mastin2 wrote:I DO have some townreads >_<
Who?
Not nearly as many as I'd prefer. Chronologically?

A very minor one on FTL. Sound of Silence is a strong townread. Venmar equally-strong to SoS townread. I also have Rach as a slight townread, though admittedly I don't know her play very well. I could tell even before he revealed himself that notscience was town, because he was townposting like crazy. I initially feared that BeautyAndBeast might be scum, but their later posting reversed this into a solid townread. I also think this is town-Mac, not scum-Mac. Broseidon's tripping my gut as scum for some odd reason, but he's solidly town via his words.

And...that's it. (Left out the chronology of the scumreads, of course.) That's seriously the sum of my reads at this point, pathetic as that is.
In post 496, Trust Fund wrote:While we wait, ffery, mastin meta, always this passive?
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In post 505, zMuffinMan wrote:If mastin is town, this is the first game i've seen him read me incorrectly from my initial posting. but I don't really think he's town atm so that doesn't particularly matter to me.
Calling it as I see it. If you're town, you can trust me to be town. You can't trust me to be reliable-town at the moment, because I'm currently not in my element and am trying to find it. :P So you can't exactly count on me being extremely useful, much to my chagrin. But you can trust me to be town. (Just really, really bad town.)
In post 516, Ghostlin wrote:Mastin's being passive, but he's being Town passive. The difference? He's not keeping his options open and is admitting he's clueless rather than hedging his bets on this or that wagon.
Appreciate the opinion, but it's not exactly accurate. It's not true, but my posts very easily
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be read as me keeping my options open, and cluelessness is easily faked. Yeah, still town, and probably in no danger of being lynched, ever, but still not exactly the beacon of towniness I
should
be, right now. :P

Vote: nickthename
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Eh. MuffinMan read is in doubt, nick read is strengthening.

Quick question to those who know Andrius. This his scumgame? It looks like a scumgame, but I don't know his towngame or scumgame, but it really looks like a scumgame.
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:56 am

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NS... I don't think you understand what's going on here.

You claimed IC at one of the most inopportune times.

I have just said your play is bad, and you disagree.

I asked for your reactions, and what you gathered from them. You gave me the reactions but not the latter.

So please cooperate and tell me what you have gathered from this reaction fish. This is your burden of stupidity, not mine.

PEDIT: Ohai Mastin.

nick wagon is looking to be gaining traction, so I'm starting to get the urge to follow...
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:06 pm

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thezmon wrote:Was curious, because you voted for nick and said he's the only player you didn't know.
You replaced in. Was looking at the original slot, sorry. :/
I already said I was bored and decided to use it.
I was bored
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I was bored
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I was bored
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no but seriously you're a garbage player who is not playing to win and playing because you're fucking bored?
In post 689, thezmon221 wrote:Congratulations! You found out that everyone indirectly called you an idiot for playing the IC-role poorly.

Now, what have these
amazing
reactions told you thus far, NS? Other than the fact that you are playing IC badly right now?

PEDIT:
Trust Fund wrote:
In post 683, thezmon221 wrote:As of right now, my three reads are FTL, nickthename, and RachMarie. I have given reasons for them before, so please ISO me if you want them, because I am feeling lazy about restating them.
I will do more investigation on nick. I like your other two.
Do you have any scum reads apart from the three aforementioned?
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mastin wrote: Quick question to those who know Andrius. This his scumgame? It looks like a scumgame, but I don't know his towngame or scumgame, but it really looks like a scumgame.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:08 pm

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In post 691, notscience wrote:
I love how you dismiss everything I say thez.

[Irrelevant Sentence]


Pedit- Nick, that's because your reaction pegged you as scum so you're mudslinging me now sit down, shut up and prepare to eat rope.



1.
You misspelled "proper town play"

2.
Where's your vote again?
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:09 pm

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NICK ISO:

Thinking at this point TD is town, but not sure of it.

nhammen/Malakittens may be scum, but I'm having a hard time telling for sure.

Rach town and Mac town both seem to be reinforced. FTL may be a bit stronger town, too. B&B definitely town, though. Thezmon/Pappa slot looks town, too.

(SUPER SECRET READ REDACTED. You'll have to wait until it pans out or I die and release my personal QT to the dead QT to find out what it is. Whichever comes first.)
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:10 pm

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mastin wrote:
Rach town
and Mac town both seem to be reinforced.
the hell are you smoking mastin
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:10 pm

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...nm that was an iso
wowwwww reading comp fail
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:12 pm

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It's on me, because I'm waiting for someone to suggest a PL on me.

And what part of what I said isn't clear?

TF is probably town for that reaction.

Nick is probably scum (based upon what PM said about scum acting more calm when there's a reaction test)

SoS or TD is probably scum. I don't think both are.

What's not to comprehend?
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