Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Malakittens]

Beckett: What kind of a name is "Nikki Heat"?
Castle: A cop name.
Beckett: It's a stripper name.
Castle: Well, I told you she was kind of slutty.
Beckett: Change it, Castle.
Castle: Wait. Hang on a second. Think of the titles. "Summer Heat", "Heat Wave", "In Heat".
Beckett: Change the name!
Beckett: [Advancing on him] Change the name!
Castle: [Backing away] No.
Beckett: Yes.
Castle: No.
Beckett: Change it!
Castle: [grabbing the cardboard cutout to shield himself] No.
Beckett: Castle?!
Castle: I’m sorry. I have artistic integrity, Beckett.
Beckett: “Artistic integrity?” Change the name, Castle! Today!

1.13

With thirteen alive it will take seven to lynch.

*macmollie - thenewearth, ArcAngel9, Lynx_Shine, Mantisdreamz [4]
*theslimer3 -
*Sweet Pertayter - theslimer3 [1]
*thenewearth -
*Mantisdreamz - havingfitz, macmollie [2]
*Wisdom - Sweet Pertayter [1]
*ArcAngel9 -
*Desperado -
*Lynx_Shine -
*Bert -
*Natirasha - Bert, Desperado [2]
*penguin_alien -
*havingfitz -

Not Voting [3]: penguin_alien, Natirasha, Wisdom

Chapter 1 Ends..

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-08-16 03:52:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[Sweet Pertayter]

oh

I got permission to do this earlier

VOTE: Wisdom

nonono

put your vote back on us cos we're the scumz remember? I am skating on town reads and now you have a follower don't chicken out now.

You're probably town for this mollie

[Lynx_Shine]

Posting from my phone to dodge the prod, I probably won't have access to a computer until tomorrow. Responding to Desperado's 331 for now since that's about as far as I've gotten and should be easy even though I'm on the phone. (I may or may not be able to do other short responses from phone tonight depending on time and patience for this keyboard/autocorrect.)

First thing about my argument being weak and macmollie being so obviously Town is I still have no idea why they're Town. The only counterargument so far is, "She's being really, really Town." Even a weak case is going to hold more than "because I say so." Can't even take a meta read seriously if it's not close to unanimous on how Town this game is for the players. Also if that account is a hydra is all the "she" only because one player is posting, or is it just more natural to refer to an account by singular pronoun? If one half is being "so Town" is it the other half that's being Scummy in this case?

Anyways, the post numbers I linked in my post, I'll summarize why it looks like macmollie is leading Bert.

118 - "I see my fraands! Bert come do this thing <3"
147 - "Bert get off your ass and do something."
157 - "Bert I can't believe you're listening to me, you're sheeping and that's dumb."
192 - "Bert I can't believe you aren't listening to me."

212 you say is Town regardless of meta, it looks like. Just a "if I die lynch this person" isn't automatic 100% Townslip. Are you saying you've never once seen that from Scum? Not at all? It's too safe and generic for me to take that as acceptance of death for 1 Town loss for a Scum down without confirming one of their alignments one way or another.

[Bert]

I've been really skeptical of Lynx throughout this game. But I have to say, post 377 makes some damn good points.

I've been pretty catty in this game (sorry), but anyways it has been a while since I posted in this game so I promise to go back and re-evaluate with a clear head after tomorrow (travel day).

And yeah, I jump all over the place with reading and keeping up because I have some eye pain issues - I always skim usually and so yeah it does come across as very ADD - but staying super chatty and engaged is the only way I can stay up to date with what's going on (without having to re-skim all the time). So yes, I am hard to keep up with but I try to restore sanity when possible (my play is worst when I'm not settled in a game yet, so hopefully it won't be quite as bad for the remainder...I hope)

Why I get lynched really often is I jump around and most of my stuff is baseless and due to gut. That's that.

/end rant

[Bert]

unvote

For the moment.

[havingfitz]

I'll try to catch up tomorrow.

[pirate mollie]

Posting from my phone to dodge the prod, I probably won't have access to a computer until tomorrow. Responding to Desperado's 331 for now since that's about as far as I've gotten and should be easy even though I'm on the phone. (I may or may not be able to do other short responses from phone tonight depending on time and patience for this keyboard/autocorrect.)

First thing about my argument being weak and macmollie being so obviously Town is I still have no idea why they're Town. The only counterargument so far is, "She's being really, really Town." Even a weak case is going to hold more than "because I say so." Can't even take a meta read seriously if it's not close to unanimous on how Town this game is for the players. Also if that account is a hydra is all the "she" only because one player is posting, or is it just more natural to refer to an account by singular pronoun? If one half is being "so Town" is it the other half that's being Scummy in this case?

Anyways, the post numbers I linked in my post, I'll summarize why it looks like macmollie is leading Bert.

118 - "I see my fraands! Bert come do this thing <3"
147 - "Bert get off your ass and do something."
157 - "Bert I can't believe you're listening to me, you're sheeping and that's dumb."
192 - "Bert I can't believe you aren't listening to me."

212 you say is Town regardless of meta, it looks like. Just a "if I die lynch this person" isn't automatic 100% Townslip. Are you saying you've never once seen that from Scum? Not at all? It's too safe and generic for me to take that as acceptance of death for 1 Town loss for a Scum down without confirming one of their alignments one way or another.

none of those are scumtells. not a single one. you are either really really terrible or scum.

[Wisdom]

Lynx looks town for that post, but she's wrong. mollie telling Bert to do things is not a scumtell for her.

[thenewearth]

reads

tator - om says he is sus of me then mara comes in and is all like "we never suspected you" and then went awol when I proved her wrong. in the mean time om continues a push on me without ever addressing that post. scum.

desp - mac says town so I am going with it. he gives me hope

wis - very low key, unusual for him but I can follow his thought processes and the 1 game I played against him as scum I could not. null to town

bert - terribad town.

mantis - unsure. I give lots of reads very early and she should know this. especially with the early town read on her and she should know why. so I am confused

nats - town based on gut

lynx - mara foses her but lets continue his sad push on me and then she pops up is all like "hydras oh noes!" but responds to a hydra in a manner that suggests familiarity. hedges her read on us (distancing from a town mislynch but wants to blend in) and tries to strengthen her weak scumread on bert by saying we are not partners. she is setting bert up for a future mislynch cos she knows how I will flip re: why she is hedging her read. that kind of clears bert, not sure how helpful he will be. scum.

penguin - unsure. if you are town plz get your head in the game

arc - unsure. the "huh" tell is not rock solid, she does it as scum.

tne - if desp did not give a town read I would be all over him. so, town cos desp said so

VOTE: lynx

I would really rather see that tator thing go but lynx is dropping such classic scumtells that I am really hoping that people with half a brain can see it.

Mollie's reads = sheep, flip-a-coin read, and Oh because I just said so, problem?" reads.
Which makes me way more suspicious.

VOTE: macmollie
Lets just say this was achieved through our discussion.

~Om

IIRC this is an example of Om being Om.
Which is pretty null.

I'm currently thinking
Potato-Mantis, with Mantis trying to townread Potato but changing her read to appeal to me
or
Potato-Lynx, due to Mara-Lynx unnecessary conversation which looks forced, as well as Lynx's familiarity with Potato that mollie pointed out.
Or maybe all 3 of them are scum.

lynch me then

okay.

VOTE: mantis

Seriously...

[Wisdom]

In post 239, Sweet Pertayter wrote:
VOTE: macmollie
Lets just say this was achieved through our discussion.

~Om


IIRC this is an example of Om being Om.
Which is pretty null.

what
So Om usually says that a vote was achieved through discussion? Was Om in hydras in all the games you've played with him?

[penguin_alien]

reads

tator - om says he is sus of me then mara comes in and is all like "we never suspected you" and then went awol when I proved her wrong. in the mean time om continues a push on me without ever addressing that post. scum.

desp - mac says town so I am going with it. he gives me hope

wis - very low key, unusual for him but I can follow his thought processes and the 1 game I played against him as scum I could not. null to town

bert - terribad town.

mantis - unsure. I give lots of reads very early and she should know this. especially with the early town read on her and she should know why. so I am confused

nats - town based on gut

lynx - mara foses her but lets continue his sad push on me and then she pops up is all like "hydras oh noes!" but responds to a hydra in a manner that suggests familiarity. hedges her read on us (distancing from a town mislynch but wants to blend in) and tries to strengthen her weak scumread on bert by saying we are not partners. she is setting bert up for a future mislynch cos she knows how I will flip re: why she is hedging her read. that kind of clears bert, not sure how helpful he will be. scum.

penguin - unsure. if you are town plz get your head in the game

arc - unsure. the "huh" tell is not rock solid, she does it as scum.

tne - if desp did not give a town read I would be all over him. so, town cos desp said so

VOTE: lynx

I would really rather see that tator thing go but lynx is dropping such classic scumtells that I am really hoping that people with half a brain can see it.

Mollie's reads = sheep, flip-a-coin read, and Oh because I just said so, problem?" reads.
Which makes me way more suspicious.

More suspicious than what? Your initial vote seemed to be based on macmollie voting Desperado. This looks like you searching for reasons to paint macmollie as scummy.

VOTE: macmollie
Lets just say this was achieved through our discussion.

~Om

IIRC this is an example of Om being Om.
Which is pretty null.

I'm currently thinking
Potato-Mantis, with Mantis trying to townread Potato but changing her read to appeal to me
or
Potato-Lynx, due to Mara-Lynx unnecessary conversation which looks forced, as well as Lynx's familiarity with Potato that mollie pointed out.
Or maybe all 3 of them are scum.

lynch me then

okay.

VOTE: mantis

Seriously...

So this you have a problem with, yet theslimer3 does the same thing three times in a post and it's nothing? Again, you're trying to drum up support for your wagon with incredibly flimsy reasoning.

VOTE: thenewearth

[theslimer3]

@Mod: Hey, gonna call another V/LA. This time you can see it!
I've got to go hug every cat In america and i'll probably be back Aug 14th - 15th.

[macmollie]

penguin I read you loud and clear on tne.

but mac has a buggy and I think he might be right.

VOTE: slimer

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: macmollie

[Malakittens]

Arcangel has been prodded.

[Natirasha]

This game continues to have trouble holding my interest. Hopefully fitz returning will make it interesting again.

[ArcAngel9]

Fuck this, I got prodded again.
Lets lynch Natirasha today

VOTE: Natirasha

[Natirasha]

What a surprise, ArcAngel being prodded.

[Desperado]

What a surprise, ArcAngel being prodded.

What was the purpose of this post? Because it certainly wasn't to hunt scum.

Nat I thought you had some things you needed to say? Or was #370 it? I don't like how you started to get a clearer picture, and clearly put some thought into the "alignment table" of three players (that's engagement in the game) but now you're saying it's still having trouble holding your interest.

[Natirasha]

What a surprise, ArcAngel being prodded.

What was the purpose of this post? Because it certainly wasn't to hunt scum.

Nat I thought you had some things you needed to say? Or was #370 it? I don't like how you started to get a clearer picture, and clearly put some thought into the "alignment table" of three players (that's engagement in the game) but now you're saying it's still having trouble holding your interest.

Nah, just taunting someone.

My posts on the last page were my thoughts for the most part and my alignment table is still sitting here, but as I said, I don't want to reveal them until I have an alignment reveal between {mollie/Potato/X} before I start expounding on them. I was actually excited to play again, but just as things happened, no one decided to post for three fucking days.

[thenewearth]

In post 239, Sweet Pertayter wrote:
VOTE: macmollie
Lets just say this was achieved through our discussion.

~Om


IIRC this is an example of Om being Om.
Which is pretty null.

what
So Om usually says that a vote was achieved through discussion? Was Om in hydras in all the games you've played with him?

I mean Om voting without really saying reasons. But saying that "Oh you know" things.

MM would have said what they had talked about, IIRC.

[Wisdom]

Fuck this, I got prodded again.
Lets lynch Natirasha today

VOTE: Natirasha

You never explained why mollie is scum.
And why do you want to lynch Natirasha over mollie?

[Bert]

Prod dodge...

catching up momentarily

[penguin_alien]

penguin I read you loud and clear on tne.

but mac has a buggy and I think he might be right.

VOTE: slimer

What are you seeing on theslimer3? I remember him being rather unorthodox in his play, but it's been a while.

[Lynx_Shine]

Post 362 by theslimer3: I try to avoid quoting entire long posts if there's more quotes than content, especially if I only have a sentence to say about it. You won't miss anything by not reading it, at least. What the hell is this lazy mess and can we get an actual catch-up post or something? You'll have to catch up with the thread after you're done with VLA at least.

none of those are scumtells. not a single one. you are either really really terrible or scum.

And your argument is really, really terrible. I'm glad we could meet on a middle ground.

To be more serious, are you saying the only way to read Scum/Town is guaranteed tells? There's no such thing as "feels Town" without a Towntell, or a player can't be acting scummy unless they slip. What forum are you playing on where everybody just slips their alignment all over the place? I mean I was expecting some fucking awesome player that would have me shaking in my sandals if you were Scum based on your condescension and apparent fanbase, but I just see a bunch of whining and reliance on a previously-universal Town read. And now you apparently rely solely on Scumtells, because yeah, every single scum player ever up just trips and makes a frequent mistake and, Town has never made a Scumtell or vice versa, and the game has never evolved beyond that stage.

Lynx looks town for that post, but she's wrong. mollie telling Bert to do things is not a scumtell for her.

I'm gathering that mollie is apparently always as bossy and emotional as she looks from how this game is going so far? Or are we just rubbing each other the wrong way here? 10/10 would play again obviously.

macmollie's post 225 (penguin_alien quoted it above, you can just scroll up) reminds me of a thing I heard in my newbie game, that it's considered anti-Town to post full reads lists like that because of Scum NKA or something. That something else they/she does regularly?

penguin I read you loud and clear on tne.

but mac has a buggy and I think he might be right.

VOTE: slimer

Apparently slimer plays scummier than I do. What was her Scumtell?