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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:35 pm

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Votecount 1.5


[3] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado)
[2] BROseidon (Sound of Silence, Nachomamma8)
[2] Faster Than Light (thezmon221, Malakittens)
[2] Mac (TiphaineDeath, nickthename)
[2] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund
[2] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2)
[1] notscience (notscience)
[1] Sound of Silence (BROseidon)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Ghostlin)

[5] Not Voting (RachMarie, Skullduggery, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Faster Than Light)

With 21 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-26 08:30:00)
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:35 pm

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I'm also liking Bert {Nachopappa} as scum right now too, but that's lack of posts so far in this thread! Subject to
maybe
change!
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:43 pm

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In post 747, Malakittens wrote:No? To actually post my reads and thoughts after reading everything. Good god lay the fuck off of me right now.
Mala it's very simple. Either you have reasons for scum reading us, or you don't. You don't need to finish catching up to answer this question. :roll:
In post 747, Malakittens wrote: So I call bullshit on "Probably because it's Majiffy".. I'm not talking about
now
as I'm talking about previous posts.
For the sake of clarity, I'd advise using direct quotes because otherwise you just look straight derp.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:44 pm

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In post 751, Malakittens wrote:I'm also liking Bert {Nachopappa} as scum right now too, but that's lack of posts so far in this thread! Subject to
maybe
change!
Becomes Thezmon. Becomes town.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:48 pm

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nickthename wrote:The contrast between this Mala and the scum-replace-in mala from my Newbie is pretty strong, and even absent from her meta she's been reasonably towny. Townread on that slot.
Mala feels rather town to me as well. Majiffy is just being a jackass at this point in time. Plain and simple.

Wait a fucking minute.
BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Being caught up is not alignment-indicative.
You say this...

But I went and reviewed your nhammen read...
In post 311, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 221, nhammen wrote:In my post above I posted:
"BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience, Venmar, take this Breaking Bad discussion ELSEWHERE. We"
when I meant to post:
"BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience, Venmar, take this Breaking Bad discussion ELSEWHERE. We are averaging more than 1 page per hour. I will not be able to keep up at this rate."
The reason only part of this got posted is because I realized that if I took the time to preview my post, then I would have to add more to it, and then preview and then add more, etc.

Oh, I also forgot to
VOTE: FTL
Multiple wagons helps find out who is scum later on, and I feel both TD and FTL need pressure. And FTL is slightly scummier than TD.
nickthename wrote:
-Snipping all this crap-
Except that's not what happened.

VOTE: Mac
Wait what? I'm confused. What is the reason for this vote?
second post of your and so far I hate everything about both of them
Firstly, this is the closest I could find to a reason why you think he’s scum. And this is mollie, not Majiffy.

Secondly, he’s being hammered by y’all because of aggravation at you… wait for it… because you’re spamming about Breaking Bad and the fact that you guys are posting a lot.

Is that truly scummy? In the words of Majiffy, it's not alignment-indicative. So by your
own
submission, he should be null. All three of his posts were related to how he couldn't keep up with the game, hence why he replaced out.

Long story short: You have absolutely zero town motivation with the last page or so. You are pissing Mala off for a VERY trivial agenda. Give her some fucking time to catch up before you hammer away about her cases and reads. She’ll post them when she has the full story.

I mean shit, she’s still reading where I haven’t replaced yet. I’d argue my play versus pappa’s has been rather different. (as of Post 751)

So stop being such a douche, Majiffy.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:48 pm

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VOTE: Nickthename Since apparently we're not voting anyone.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:49 pm

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Okay, town read on Mollie from page 16+.

I have to agree with Rach regarding Nacho in . I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.

Also. Achievement Unlocked: Fery's first alt slip on her other alt!

Herro Jedi Mind Trick that we call Mastin's post Thanks for putting a bad taste in my mouth about you.

Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:51 pm

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VOTE: Nick
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:51 pm

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In post 687, notscience wrote:AtE. "Ugh every IC always does this ;-;" And shouldn't scum be looking for crumbs moreso than town?
I don't think you understand what AtE means...
In post 692, mastin2 wrote:Broseidon's tripping my gut as scum for some odd reason, but he's solidly town via his words.
Oh I'll be getting to this...
In post 699, notscience wrote:It's on me, because I'm waiting for someone to suggest a PL on me.
Why? You're going to get NK'd unless the scumteams thinks you're a complete moron.
In post 699, notscience wrote:SoS or TD is probably scum. I don't think both are.
TD is obvtown can you stop being obtuse.
In post 701, Desperado wrote:Muffin's stance on TD, and the consistency of his Bro scumhunt, are both town motivated. Unlike Venmar's useless TD tunnel, Muffin's intentions are transparent and he lays his thought process out willfully.
Why is consistency town-motivated? Also, in the second quote of his you've posted, what is the town-motivation of stating theory that is wrong (his part about wagon-speed being null is just outright wrong).
In post 705, mastin2 wrote:I'm thinking at this point that BROseidon might be scum, from his iso. "Why? His words look so town!" Words, yes. A good scum player can create good words. Actions, on the other hand? Actions, I think make him scum. Macscumread, nicktownread, fakeish-looking reaction to IC, SoS scumread, general reads not seeming all too original (this may just be me, though), overall posting not screaming town even though the words themselves look town. Not much, but worrisome. (Basically: any individual sentence may look town, but their sum is less than their parts.)
Here we go!

You IIoA everything I do, except for the part where you talk about general reads not being too original. However, that ONE piece of analysis, the ONE USEFUL THING YOU DO in trying to discern my alignment, you get WRONG. I was first to call nhammen scum (if nhammen flips town whoever sheeped my read early on should be lynched btw, because the way in which that's proliferated makes me super uncomfortable). I was one of the first to call Mac scum. I am in the minority calling Nick town. I was one of the first to call TD town. Unless you define "not too original" as "holding contrarian views the entire game," you're explicitly wrong. This looks like a weak early push you can bring up later to try to force a mislynch on me.
In post 707, Desperado wrote:What did you mean "no stahp, it's nhamm?" I rolled scum with him as the IC of my first newbie and his first two posts seemed in line with my experience. I'm disappointed he replaced out because I'm much less confident in my ability to read Mala.
Both of us having experience with scumnhammen and both of us reading his first post the same way assuages my worries about the read, though.
In post 710, mastin2 wrote:Desperado's
actually quite
worrying me. I'm
kinda
used to Desp being super-active as town and having strong reads on multiple players and a very strong will. Instead, I get a singular post which is spoilered and
rather
weak. It's mostly quotes (info) and barely laden with the analysis I'd expect
(Says the guy who's doing the same thing)[/b]. I'll
obviously
wait for more from him, but right now, he's a nullish-scumread of mine. :/
1) Use fewer words.

2) Stop hedging and emphasizing. Oh wait, scum love to do those things.
In post 718, mastin2 wrote:Mac iso:
Some specific posts
may be a bit
concerning, but overall, there's strong town posting present and I
really don't
think this is scuMac.

Malakittens iso:
She's not giving me
warm fuzzy
feelings. At all. This doesn't seem like the town-her that I've come to expect, like, at all. So again,
bit
of a scumread.

She replaced nhammen,
who is
next on my iso list. There's not much to really see, there. I
can't really
have anything definitive, other than a
bit of a gut scumread with his overall approach
.

Skull iso is
basically
empty, so nothing there at all. At this point with me
not really having any really strong townreads, might
be a scumread just by virtue of being a null-read.
Everything I've bolded is scummy (hedging, emphasizing, or failure to contract).
In post 732, nickthename wrote:Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.

Also, you're voting SoS, and all you've said so far about her is a possible liar tell. So either you consider that one tell scummier than anything else so far this game, or there's more to that vote then you've said. Which is it?
His intro post reminded me a lot of his intro post in Inevitable Mafia, where he was scum. Generally taking non-stances and not pushing anything while appearing like he was engaging with the thread.

That vote was for town-multitasking. I think SoS is getting too many unjustified townreads, and that slot needs to be looked at seriously.

VOTE: Mastin

I am not letting this shit off the hook.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:53 pm

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Wait. Is mollie still playing? Or is Majiffy the lone head? (I ask this because Majiffy said "we" in 755)
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:54 pm

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Haven't you been reading? I am a complete moron.

Please tell me what AtE is.

TD isn't too obvtown.
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:56 pm

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In post 759, thezmon221 wrote:Wait. Is mollie still playing? Or is Majiffy the lone head? (I ask this because Majiffy said "we" in 755)
Mollie is still in the game. Sorry if this was not clear.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:57 pm

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In post 754, thezmon221 wrote:Firstly, this is the closest I could find to a reason why you think he’s scum. And this is mollie, not Majiffy

...

Is that truly scummy? In the words of Majiffy, it's not alignment-indicative. So by your
own
submission, he should be null. All three of his posts were related to how he couldn't keep up with the game, hence why he replaced out.
Tell me, as a professional glue-huffing connoisseur, do you prefer polyurethanes or polyvinyl acetates?

You admit that it's Mollie's post, then proclaim
my
submission. Last I checked, we
are
two different people.

And I'm pretty sure I've touched on nhammen scum so you can go back to digging in that ISO.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:59 pm

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In post 760, notscience wrote:Haven't you been reading? I am a complete moron.

Please tell me what AtE is.

TD isn't too obvtown.
APPEAL to emotion.

AtE requires an APPEAL. Having an EMOTIONAL OUTBURST does not intrinsically mean APPEALING.

:facepalm:
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:59 pm

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Why are you voting nick, he's town. Stop Q_Q. Vote mac instead, she's scum.
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:00 pm

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In post 764, TiphaineDeath wrote:Why are you voting nick, he's town
Mmm... no.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:05 pm

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BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Tell me, as a professional glue-huffing connoisseur, do you prefer polyurethanes or polyvinyl acetates?
Polyvinyl acetate.
You admit that it's Mollie's post, then proclaim
my
submission. Last I checked, we
are
two different people.

And I'm pretty sure I've touched on nhammen scum so you can go back to digging in that ISO.
Oh, my bad.

You mean this?
In post 275, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 189, nhammen wrote:Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)
Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.
This is literally the only feasible post of your reasoning for nhammen being scum. So uhh... Reasons or I call bullshit.
BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 764, TiphaineDeath wrote:Why are you voting nick, he's town
Mmm... no.
^^^

Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:11 pm

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I have a town-read Cabd. He's trying to work with Fery also and he did that during Vox's game.

Zmuffinman - Can you give me links on Mastin's accuracy to read you? I thought the same until he tricked me. Every time he called me scum that game I got a knee jerk reaction and kept wanting to call him scum.. Then he bused his team mate and I believed his every words on his "vow to never bus his team mate" and I allowed him to become my strongest town read and then he flipped scum. I was a very, very sad kitten.

Ooh, I like Themonz's 506. I'm not seeing AJ town though. Anyone want to clue me in on why AJ is town?

ZMuffin.. That's actually just normal for Rach in any alignment. She tends to do that =\

Am I the only one who didn't like Ghostlin's 517? Mainly because I haven't seen much hunting from him, but he's calling other people out on not doing it..

I don't like by FTL. Can you please tell me how using wagon analysis without a flip works well?..

I think I agree with you Notscience.

Welp, I don't like by TD. He's really caring how he looks and he's trying to stay calm to avoid {possibly} another wagon on him?

Bad gut feel by Rach's post

However I do like TD's 575.

Okay and I'm caught kinda up to where I was when I replaced in.

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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:11 pm

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okay so I apologise for my earlier outburst, I will stay in the game but it is gonna be majiffy mostly posting unless he says dumb things so yeah I guess I am back in. ftr the kerfuffle between fery and I has to do with out of game stuff, so no one should read anybody's alignment into that situ. it came up a bit in xeno 1, I thought it was sorted, I guess not and I am not going to put up with any more cos I have been down this road before I know how it ends and I think it is best if we just don't play together anymore. for those who think I overreacted all I can say is there is so much more to it and it is really not worth getting into.

moving along ------------------->

mala keep reading. majiffy leave her alone.

mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking. I think this looks like nicky's hyper-aggressive scum game he seems to be one of those players who likes playing scum. I agree with sound's assessment that bro looks uncomfortable but that post where he thinks he caught fery out on a liar tell is so batshit insane that I almost want to put him in the town category.andy is most defo scum and I think you all need to reconsider your read on desp cos him putting andy as strong town for that wall and saying it was effort and content when it deserves the fluff post of the year award looks scummy as hell and I almost want to call them buddies.

I don't quite know what to make of venny, mac and td are still strong town for me. I have sound slot down as town still not liking that varsoon/metal thing but they are both a little crazy (in a good way it just makes them in hard to read) so I want to interact with them a bit.

nicky asking nacho if he has played large games before and telling him about the vote/unvote process is pretty priceless, now I have new material to troll nacho with. thanks nicky!

I think mac is town and I probably know him better than anyone. the arguments against him are weak, certainly not as strong as the individuals making them would like everyone to think no matter how much they pretty up their words. kind of wanna put thez as town too. still finding rach scummy.

ns, you are taking a beating and I just want to give you a Image

I feel like I am forgetting something give me a minute I will remember.

eta: a bunch of xposts will get to them
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:14 pm

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In post 510, thezmon221 wrote:
Nickthename:
His is more of a conflict-of-interest type read. I view Mac as pretty town-like, and I’m not a big fan of his case on Mac in post 272. Plus, he was delayed in his reasoning for Mac. It seems a bit like a fit-the-evidence-for-the-read shnindig.

Not to mention, he voted for Venmar for his PGO claim, then quickly changed his vote to TD, in a similar kind of feel to FTL’s hop from one to the other… The reasoning for TD was poor, at best (Post 102).

I do like some of his posts, but those two pointers outweighed what I viewed as town.
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In post 647, thezmon221 wrote: I'll give you this. This is actually pretty decent reasoning for Macscum.
=
In post 766, thezmon221 wrote: Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.
What am I missing here? Also, do you still think mac is town?
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:17 pm

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Thanks mollie :)

Mala which part do you agree with exactly? TD being potential scum?
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:21 pm

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In post 758, BROseidon wrote:Why is consistency town-motivated? Also, in the second quote of his you've posted, what is the town-motivation of stating theory that is wrong (his part about wagon-speed being null is just outright wrong).
Consistency betrays earnestness which I find is difficult for scum to fake. It also makes the progression of his read transparent.

The second question is pretty loaded. What makes wagon speed alignment indicative?
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:21 pm

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In post 770, notscience wrote:Thanks mollie :)

Mala which part do you agree with exactly? TD being potential scum?
Faster than Light being scum.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:23 pm

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In post 769, nickthename wrote:
In post 510, thezmon221 wrote:
Nickthename:
His is more of a conflict-of-interest type read. I view Mac as pretty town-like, and I’m not a big fan of his case on Mac in post 272. Plus, he was delayed in his reasoning for Mac. It seems a bit like a fit-the-evidence-for-the-read shnindig.

Not to mention, he voted for Venmar for his PGO claim, then quickly changed his vote to TD, in a similar kind of feel to FTL’s hop from one to the other… The reasoning for TD was poor, at best (Post 102).

I do like some of his posts, but those two pointers outweighed what I viewed as town.
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In post 647, thezmon221 wrote: I'll give you this. This is actually pretty decent reasoning for Macscum.
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In post 766, thezmon221 wrote: Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.
What am I missing here? Also, do you still think mac is town?
I still think that you have rather underwhelming evidence to prove Mac scum overall. I feel his town play has far, far outweighed his scum play. Thus, the discussion on the cases still left me in a relatively similar position, albeit the reads are not as strong as they once were.

There's still the fiasco with the Venmar and TD hop in the first quoted post which doesn't help you too much.

Oh, and I still think Mac is town, as was probably evident from my first paragraph.
In post 767, Malakittens wrote:Ooh, I like Themonz's 506. I'm not seeing AJ town though. Anyone want to clue me in on why AJ is town?
His posts have been concise, and are consistently filled with information. There's little fluff involved. Also, he's playing like the town meta I know of him, and I know him the best of anyone here. (Not unlike fery + mollie from my understanding)
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:25 pm

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I have seen town-AJ once and I'm not really seeing it, but I will need to take a closer look. So they were impatient and started w/o me on League. (fuck you andy </3)
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


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