Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ desp

it reads as a commentary. he doesn't expound on why something is scummy.

this was his catch-up/entry post in xeno 1:

Subject: Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

Nacholove!

i claim miller

wut

hi guys, I'll catch up on the thread in the morning.

catch up with what? you are on the first page and allready doing excuses about not being avaible?

You don't like jokes?
You're probably just jumping on shadows, "miller" boy.

Vote: Svenskt Stal

:goodvote:

Vote: Sven Stal

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

This logic makes no sense.

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

1. Claim Miller, dont care if people buy it
2. Town NK's you regardless
Done.

yeah i aint kidding. i am miller.

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

so... my scum plan must then involve the following

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

2

There is a bolded number at the bottom of this post.

your logic involves scum hoping that the cop will investigate me and find guilty... which I, by claiming miller, have allready confirmed will happen.

Um dude, you claim Miller, Cop doesn't bother investigating you.
That's obvious.

i can claim flavor too if that helps

It might. Probably not now, but.

then scum will feel cornerd and forced to kill the "clear" person, regardless of him being mechanicly clear or not.

Scum will kill who they want, and if they have other priorities than a Miller who the town will kill if they're alive long enough, as you say, then the scum can forget about the Miller and move on.

I do appreciate the early claim though.

#47 Nacho is town.

svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f

Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post

no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

How so?

you can have abscent intellect as town, I have seen it before.

He DOES have a point.

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

So besides for the fact that it clearly isn't a popular move, what does not seeing it tell you?
Yes, it is dangerous.
But if it were used all the time it would not be nearly as effective; hence the scarcity of the move.
I have *one* game in mind but I'm not actually sure if the Miller was scum or not.
How is the Nacho vote better?
Sven's reactions have been iffy; Nacho is strong and analytical.

Metal Sonic is being not productive for his posts. I'm not impressed with 2's either.

i have a skype meeting

Vote: Sven

because i claim to be in a meeting?

i wanna vote cabd

no meeting ended

Look at the timing of these posts.
All in about 15m he goes from "having a Skype meeting" to "reinforcing he's in a meeting" "meeting ended".
I point this out because
a) why is he posting in a meeting
b) they're all in very close proximity.

On a side note, if you want to vote cabd, then do it?

Why is this stupid? If it's generally true that miller claims on day one are legit, then we should not lynch Sven, right?

Remind me that this is here if Sven flips scum.
Also his lack of a vote is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: BROseidon

On a side note, I'm a big fan of the TOPOFTHEPAGE votecounts.

Right now I don't have a scumread. Everyone walked away from the miller claim looking null or town.

...

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

Anything to add?

that said, giving her a townread that strong is not good.

She's not a scum player. I know her better than you do. Give it up.

why you got to be so bad at this bro

Just a second ago you were sucking up to me, and now you're sucking up to ffery and discrediting me.
Try harder.

with what? you are walking down the wrong path broseph

and i know ffer well enough to not go inst town and disrespecting her scum game.

i am not sucking up to you, i think you and orc have done a good job at sounding town.

You think they've done a good job at "sounding" town.

This implies that they are not actually town.
Am I right in drawing this conclusion?

the 2 are miles apart

[Malakittens]

Mollie

can you get jiffy to back off of me please?

[Ghostly Penguin]

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced. This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Not as passionate a reaction as I had expected from TD.
I was expecting him to either get really pissed at me or to use the 'out' I gave him where he could explain off his earlier actions as ones made solely out of frustration.
Instead, it's this strange melding of the two, where he admits I've pushed him against me but still says I'm scum but not his highest pick.
Regardless, I feel like Scum would've had a more artificial answer, given what I gave TD to exploit in my 591.
So, for now,

You don't like the answer, but the answer isn't scummy because scum would of given you X? Okay...

[Ghostlin]

Not as passionate a reaction as I had expected from TD.
I was expecting him to either get really pissed at me or to use the 'out' I gave him where he could explain off his earlier actions as ones made solely out of frustration.
Instead, it's this strange melding of the two, where he admits I've pushed him against me but still says I'm scum but not his highest pick.
Regardless, I feel like Scum would've had a more artificial answer, given what I gave TD to exploit in my 591.
So, for now,

You don't like the answer, but the answer isn't scummy because scum would of given you X? Okay...

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced. This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

[Ghostlin]

^Both of those are me.

[borkjerfkin]

I'd appreciate if you could vote as yourself rather than quoting it.

[Nachomamma8]

Also seem to be against consensus on townreading FTL and Nick.

FTL townread is good. Nick one is probably good as well, but I'd love to hear your reasoning for it.

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

I generally know what I'm doing.

you just called me scum and voted for me.

This seems like something to comment on in and of itself, but maybe I'm expecting something that I shouldn't be. Do you have an opinion on BRO or Desp or Muffin?

nachomamma

you didn't even comment on anything i posted ;-;

It was my role, I used it as I saw fit. You crying doesn't change the past. I already said I was bored and decided to use it.

I hope you take constructive criticism better than this.

I'd honestly be surprised if you could come up with two town motivated things from Rach's ISO. She's scum.

I am currently definitely on board with this one.

I still think Jiffy hydra is scum.

What's your read on mollie?

For what it's worth I see town-Mollie on Page 13.

Vote: Malakittens

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie

can you get jiffy to back off of me please?

I am trying mala. I think he is a bit, for now.

@ ghostlin

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

not a bad choice for what? lynching? when you are saying she is not sane as last game and she was scum? how does that even make sense?

[Ghostlin]

not a bad choice for what? lynching? when you are saying she is not sane as last game and she was scum? how does that even make sense?

No. She's reading 'not sane'. As in insane, from what I've seen. And that was her early play Day 1.

[Ghostlin]

Vote: Mala

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@nacho

what is

your

read on me?

[Malakittens]

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced.

This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

So my next word needs super big letters.

MISREP

You fucken misrepped me to world's end, then to hell and then back.

I never said I wanted to lynch him. Do not put words in my mouth. I said I was scum reading him because that didn't look like town-Bert as he was well not around and when he's town he will post mountains and be more involved and he wasn't. So yes, for his one post I did scum read him, but I never said once I was going to "lynch" him. I think if I wanted a lynch on him I would have voted him.. Wouldn't I?

[Malakittens]

Nacho keep reading. Thank you.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: nacho

[Malakittens]

Also Ghostlin what was the point of the above quote in regards to SoS / Mollie?..

[Venmar]

I tried to sign my posts last game but I forgot, it isn't my style. so I can make no promises

I am sorry for the hydra dissonance, I am trying to work it out in gchat. if I could get him to SHUT FOR ONE MOMENT it might get better.

I remember in rw people going after you for those reasons and do you remember I tried to steer people away from you? I picked up that you viewed cdb right off the bat - why do you think I was wanting to work with him so hard? did you read the dead qt where I gave you mad props for good crumbing? I didn't reach out to you as strongly cos I did not want to highlight you as a cop so I just followed your read.

and that is the problem I am having with you this game, it is like you have forgotten all of this. I am reaching out to you to the point where I am practically falling off a cliff.

lets fix this.

-mollie

Well, I think the key difference between me this game and me in RW is that I was a cop in RW, whereas here I am a PGO. Also, my early reads in RW were extremely horrendous, until I realized the problem, flipped the switch, and caught 2 scum right off the bat. I'm trying to go with that switch ON in this game, i'm trying mollie, I really am. People giving me mixed signals and all of this dissonance doesn't help me thought.

[Venmar]

This seems like something to comment on in and of itself, but maybe I'm expecting something that I shouldn't be. Do you have an opinion on BRO or Desp or Muffin?

I think Muffin is town. I'm also leaning town on Desperado I think. Currently null on BRO.

[Venmar]

Riiiiiiiiiiight also Mala is town #837

[Nachomamma8]

@nacho

what is

your

read on me?

If I thought you were scum, I would be voting you.

[Ghostlin]

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced.

This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

So my next word needs super big letters.

MISREP

You fucken misrepped me to world's end, then to hell and then back.

I never said I wanted to lynch him. Do not put words in my mouth. I said I was scum reading him because that didn't look like town-Bert as he was well not around and when he's town he will post mountains and be more involved and he wasn't. So yes, for his one post I did scum read him, but I never said once I was going to "lynch" him. I think if I wanted a lynch on him I would have voted him.. Wouldn't I?

So, you play patty cake with your scumreads instead of lynching them? That's good to know.

[Ghostlin]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

[Ghostlin]

Also Ghostlin what was the point of the above quote in regards to SoS / Mollie?..

Whoops, mostly, although, I was going to comment it seemed kind of a stretch to me.

[TiphaineDeath]

Get hydra your in!

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.