Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Ghostlin]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

[Ghostlin]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

Honestly, your reaction to the original post, even on a base scum level, was extreme. There was hardly nothing to scumtell.

That said, no, I don't play this game the same fucking way you do, and the hyper defensive shitty way you've decided to defend yourself doesn't read Town to me. You could of gone, 'what do you mean by this', or even harsher 'what the fuck are you talking about'. Instead you accuse me of maliciously misrepping you.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The level of irony going on presently is terrifyingly amusing.

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

Honestly, your reaction to the original post, even on a base scum level, was extreme. There was hardly nothing to scumtell.

That said, no, I don't play this game the same fucking way you do, and the hyper defensive shitty way you've decided to defend yourself doesn't read Town to me. You could of gone, 'what do you mean by this', or even harsher 'what the fuck are you talking about'. Instead you accuse me of maliciously misrepping you.

Because you did.

Anyone else saw the post I called him out as a misrep? Or is it just me?

Also Andy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs

<3!

[Mac]

Contrast Muffin's push with Mac's. Whereas muffin consistently expressed his thought processes and gave TD content to react to, Mac was needlessly antagonistic.

what part of venmar's claim made you rage TD cos I really can't see much wrong with what he did?

I feel that claiming PGO is bad as a pgo, the same way claiming bomb is bad even if you know there is a vig in the game.

It's tantamount to saying "I don't think I can play my role well enough to make it usefull so i'm going to go ahead and be a vanilla townie that needs to be lynched before lylo." You take a role that can be a great errr good thing, to the town, and make it a detriment. I know that it can be a horrible detriment to the town if played badly, but that's not a fucking excuse. When you're given a role, you play that role to your win condition.

It just.... it bugs me...

so what would you have done if you were given PGO?

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

we are most certainly not done with it.

stop running away.

pretty sure you are running away.

now answer the questions asked at you or be lynched. it's simple.

What kind of response is he looking to get here? He's not interested in determing TD's alignment, he's just kicking the dog while it's down.

that's not true at all. there is no hostility in my line of questioning until TD says we should drop it which you know doesn't happen in mafia. if that happened, scumslips wouldn't exist. don't you see how frustrated I was getting with TD?

Neither of those are questions, and you are stupid to think so. Putting a question mark on the end of something doesn't make it a question.

Fail slip dodge is fail. VOTE: Mac. Hey guys, I found an overeager scum, want to help me lynch it?

is this really fucking happening?

are you going to do anything other than cry in the corner and call everyone stupid?

Aren't you doing the same thing? What else is "is this really fucking happening?" supposed to mean other than "How stupid are you to vote me?"

nope. that is one of the most blatant OMGUS votes I've ever seen.

It's not a mother fucking policy lynch, I didn't push a lynch on venmar, I never voted venmar, and I hate policy lynches. Remove-head-from-rectum-conf-town.

and yet you said you were "heavily tempted" to vote Venmar earlier

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

Except that's not what happened.

VOTE: Mac

what?

I can almost see Mac's neck whiplashing here. He thinks he's gotten someone to buy in to his TD misrep and he doesn't even know what to say when he realizes he misread the situation.

nah my neck was fine, thank you for asking. I can see where I went wrong and have admitted my mistakes. one mistake didn't eradicate my scumread however. TD STILL ran away from the discussion when the going got tough. it's akin to fakeclaiming as you are about to be lynched and never returning to discuss it. with all that said however, I think he's been more townie with his posts lately.

[Mac]

@mala

why did you moan about people voting you despite not having finished your catchup, and then vote before you'd finished your catchup?

[Mac]

also mala I'm struggling to understand your thought process here because here's how you entered this game wrt to mollie:

- haven't seen townmollie in the 15 pages I read before replacing in, vote mollie
- retract vote next post, town mollie on page 13

what happened there?

[Mac]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

what does playstyle have to do with misrepping?

for what it's worth, you did misrep her.

[Malakittens]

also mala I'm struggling to understand your thought process here because here's how you entered this game wrt to mollie:

- haven't seen townmollie in the 15 pages I read before replacing in, vote mollie
- retract vote next post, town mollie on page 13

what happened there?

I was really skim following in the beginning as I was watching a certain player play.

Well I retracted the vote for a really damn good reason. FTL scum slipped so I voted him.

[Faster Than Light]

ya varsoon is so scum

VOTE: varsoon

o wait i am varsoon

UNVOTE: varsoon

lets vote rach since i scumread her and varsoon unvoted td

VOTE: rach

[Faster Than Light]

test

varsoon do you use skype? i have facebook if you don't use skype

smh

get on

and we can talk about reads

and who is the scum

[Malakittens]

...

Hi, I'm Mala and I approve of the lynch on the player above.

[Faster Than Light]

hi mala

are you the cat who hydra'd with mara in HxH mafia?


i am the sonic who masoned with gif and bork(our mod) over here

nice to meet you

[Malakittens]

@mala

why did you moan about people voting you despite not having finished your catchup, and then vote before you'd finished your catchup?

They were treating me unfairly. I was being given a read off my ISO before I had time to fully catch up. I don't like that.

[Malakittens]

hi mala

are you the cat who hydra'd with mara in HxH mafia?


i am the sonic who masoned with gif and bork(our mod) over here

nice to meet you

Yes.

You aren't playing the same.

You scum slipped.

You are scum, tyvm.

Nice to meet you though.

[Faster Than Light]

that was varsoon with the fancy english

i did not scum slip



P.S: remember how you tunneled me calling me scum in HxH? yeah

[Metal Sonic]

i get "no replies after f5-ing for 30 mins" syndrome

agh OCD

[notscience]

lol, people other than me selfvoting.

@Skull, I'm pretty sure the only time I've seen anyone say something like that they've flipped scum.

[Faster Than Light]

i get "no replies after f5-ing for 30 mins" syndrome

agh OCD

Gotta quote this, I think. Proper Hydra etiquette and all that.

METALSONIC,

chill out. I gave you my contact info. Contact me.

@SkullDuggery

: I've already claimed alignment, I think. To be honest, I'm a bit iffy about it, because last time I was banned I didn't think that my 'offense' was actually an offense, and I wasn't warned. I don't want that to happen again. I want to play this game with you guys, so I don't want to do something that'd cause mods to peel me away.

@Nacho:

I can't seem to catch you, so here are some questions:
Do you think that TiphaneD is frustrated with this game?
What's your read/analysis of Rach's posts?
What is your read/analysis of B&B's posts, especially considering the hydra dichotomy/dissonance that've merited some noise so far?
What has you reading us as town in this game?
What do you think of the people with least posts (SkullDuggery, AJ, Rach, Mastin, Desperado, Andrius, Ghostlin, MuffinMan)?
What do you think of the people with the most posts (B&B, TrustFund, SoS, Venmar, Me, and TiphaneD)?


I don't like Mala, but I need to -actually talk to Metal Sonic- about our reads and which players we should pressure, etc.
Mala's approach to scum hunting feels way too much like Mala's trying to insert that something is scummy and force players to trip themselves engaging on that front. It feels like that was done with me and that it was done to Ghostlin, TD, etc. Mala keeps pouting and saying people scum-slipped, ringing every buzzword, and trying to get the players accused to engage in arguing the scummy accusation, which gives it more credence than the dismissal it should be given. Mala, make accusations about people that aren't so biased/informed by gut rather than game. I'm going to discuss this with Metal, but consider this a FoS from the Varsoon head.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Also, Skull, Sheeping denies town quality info/content, yo.

-V

[TiphaineDeath]

VOTE: ftl

[Aj The Epic]

@Nacho:

I can't seem to catch you, so here are some questions:
Do you think that TiphaneD is frustrated with this game?
What's your read/analysis of Rach's posts?

What is your read/analysis of B&B's posts, especially considering the hydra dichotomy/dissonance that've merited some noise so far?

What has you reading us as town in this game?
What do you think of the people with least posts (SkullDuggery, AJ, Rach, Mastin, Desperado, Andrius, Ghostlin, MuffinMan)?
What do you think of the people with the most posts (B&B, TrustFund, SoS, Venmar, Me, and TiphaneD)?

-V

[/quote]

Alright. This is incredibly bad. The amount of questions asked to nacho is more or less meant to bog him down by asking his reads on half the game. More importantly, however, the bold. If anyone is having dissonance issues, it's this slot. Through and through, this is a scum post. However, I've seen reasons to believe that this isn't on Mala's team should she be scum, and I have reasons to believe Mala as scum...

[nickthename]

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

-V

(TD never voted Venmar)
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- This:

I'm thinking at this point that BROseidon might be scum, from his iso. "Why? His words look so town!" Words, yes. A good scum player can create good words. Actions, on the other hand? Actions, I think make him scum. Macscumread, nicktownread, fakeish-looking reaction to IC, SoS scumread, general reads not seeming all too original (this may just be me, though), overall posting not screaming town even though the words themselves look town. Not much, but worrisome. (Basically: any individual sentence may look town, but their sum is less than their parts.)

Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

[borkjerfkin]

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