Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Malakittens]

{Flavor soon?}

1.14

With thirteen alive it will take seven to lynch.

*macmollie - thenewearth, Lynx_Shine [2]
*theslimer3 - macmollie [1]
*Sweet Pertayter - theslimer3 [1]
*thenewearth - penguin_alien [1]
*Mantisdreamz - havingfitz [1]
*Wisdom - Sweet Pertayter [1]
*ArcAngel9 -
*Desperado -
*Lynx_Shine -
*Bert -
*Natirasha - Desperado, ArcAngel9 [2]
*penguin_alien -
*havingfitz -

Not Voting [4]: Natirasha, Wisdom, Bert, Mantisdreamz

Chapter 1 Ends..

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-08-19 03:52:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[Sweet Pertayter]

Prod dodge

content tomorrow

[Wisdom]

Shit, just noticed the deadline. We have 1 day and some hours left.

VOTE: thenewearth
His last post gave me bad feelings, and I don't really feel especially good about any lynch, so this is my pick for a deadline lynch.

[macmollie]

VOTE: thenewearth

I am good with this but for realz, don't let slimer lurk his way to victory he has done that before. he definitely needs to be lynched before endgame and mac played a recent game with him where slimer was scum and he says he is getting the same vibe.

I rescind my town read on nats.

wis is town town town town. I think penguin is too.

@ bert

stay strong buddy just try to stay focused. I think we are a lot alike in that we both can be all over the place, I finally started to religiously use spreadsheets in order to track my thoughts.

@ lynx

sorry I called your game terrible. there is probably going to be an adjustment period for you on here I know there was 1 for me and it took a few games.

[Malakittens]

Arcangel9 is being replaced. Deadline will be extended (possibly) or frozen until a replacement is found.

[Bert]

Vote: TNE

[Bert]

This is what I think of the deadline.

[Desperado]

Newearth is still town guys. If you don't think Nat is town, she is a much better lynch today

[macmollie]

desp I don't think tne is town. his push on us is really really bad.

I don't like nat either but you are going to have to really push it and sell in order to get it to go through so close to deadline.

[Wisdom]

I don't know about Nat, his play is weird no doubt but it might just be playstyle.
I prefer tne or maybe havingfitz.

[theslimer3]

Bad wagons are bad
VOTE: mac[/mac]

Still V/LA

[Wisdom]

What makes macmollie wagon good, slimer?

[Malakittens]

Arcangel9 has been replaced by Serrapaladin.

Deadline has been extended by three days which should be enough time for him to catch up.

(expired on 2013-08-19 03:52:00)

[Bert]

Serra's here?



VOTE: unvote

[Mantisdreamz]

Newearth is still town guys. If you don't think Nat is town, she is a much better lynch today

what makes you say she is town?

[Natirasha]

Oh my, serrapaladin. Alright. Hopefully calmer minds prevail. tne is whatever to me.

[macmollie]

Bad wagons are bad
VOTE: mac[/mac]

Still V/LA

that doesn't look like a beetlejuiced omgus vote at all nope

seriously people lynch that shit. do not let him make it to endgame

[serrapaladin]

VOTE: Bert
Hi Bert!

Hi you guys. 4 days on the clock isn't too bad.

I just need to go find a new lightbulb for this room, then I'll start catching up.

[Desperado]

desp I don't think tne is town. his push on us is really really bad.

I don't like nat either but you are going to have to really push it and sell in order to get it to go through so close to deadline.

I think it was weak, not bad. And even that push was head and shoulders above the scumplay I'm familiar with from him.

Newearth is still town guys. If you don't think Nat is town, she is a much better lynch today

what makes you say she is town?

My read from early in the game is still valid. I saw scum-TNE up close and personal in Micro 150 and this just isn't it.

Seriously, just read this game, it's 13 pages:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26781

If you still think TNE is scum after reading the link above then we will just have to agree to disagree.

[serrapaladin]

@mala: Love the flavour, my summer hasn't had nearly enough Castle!

Now, some thoughts from my first read-through in more or less chronological order and probably with very little structure:

I'm not a fan of Desp's defence of Nati and the accompanying Bert vote.

Making empty posts is not the same as being gone and not posting. Do you think we're going to lynch Natirasha for lurking like this? No, but this should be a wake-up call to get his head in the game. I don't claim to be some super genius, but it's still urgent to get discussion going. I am so not happy with how my vote on Natirasha is being perceived.

How is finger-pointing empty? I made a fair accusation saying that she/he should be more serious about the game and not just say "this game isn't catching my interest." I've heard scum (Majiffy in Micro 189) just come in and say "this game hasn't caught our interest yet. I'll be back later"....and then come back days later when a huge portion of the day is already in the books. I have a low tolerance for that.

This is pretty town motivated.

Now, it's not as though a lack of early interest is particularly scummy, but Bert's vote was fine. Desp's, however, was bad.

Nati himself is either genuinely not engaged or playing his cards close to his chest. Either way he'll remain difficult to read until later on. I don't like the smug "look I got you guys talking", but he's neither here nor there.

Lynx here sounds different to scum-Lynx in Rach's Newbie. Her play here is a bit looser, which probably means she's town (or just doesn't have the pressure of fery scrutinising her, but I think the former.)

Om reads town, but I'll need to keep an eye on Ms. Marple (HI YOU, btw. It's been a while!).

106 is terribly uncharacteristic for town-Wisdom. I don't think I've ever seen him come in with a read-list after being called out for being too quiet. Town-Wisdom usually comes up with something indignant about how he doesn't play all of his town games the same way and continues as he was. I'll give him the point against fitz though.

115 by mollie pretty much bang on agrees with my thoughts. mollie is tentatively town, but I know she can make as much sense as scum, so I'll leave that as a maybe.

122 is pretty horrible. I remember sort of liking town-tne, so some new meta on him might be in order.

peng is also going to be an issue to read.

fitz continuing to go after mantis for the picture thing is just silly. In addition, Nati and slimer are pretty convenient targets to go after.

184 sounds like town-Mara, which is a relief.

I believe Om's frustration at Wisdom. Also thinking tater/macmollie is likely town-town.

Could we just policy-lynch slimer? Like seriously, he's not going to replace out, he won't contribute, and he'll be a liability towards endgame.

288 by Bert is truly painful. If he were a stronger player he'd be scum for how fake that is, but as is I might just have to ignore him.

Mantis might be scum. The 'reads' she tries to piece together in 245 and the following justifications look pretty fake.

In her discussion with mollie, mantis is looking a bit townier though.

Tater is still town - I particularly like the Mara half, and I think she might be right about Wisdom, too.

Desp's Nat vote is pretty opportunistic.

(obviously im playing

numberwang

with these numbers, bear with me)

<3

I like peng's 385 and her tne vote. I'm not completely convinced of tne-scum, but peng's points are at least decent ones to make, and I don't think scum-Peng would kickstart a new wagon at that point.

Ooh, but I don't like Wisdom's tne vote. He seems way too glad about having found a suitable mislynch target that he can write off as a DL lynch.

So I feel desp/Wis as scum, with a likely third among {slimer, mantis, Nati, fitz}. If I'm wrong about desp, tne shoots towards the top of that list.

My plug for today's lynch would probably be slimer though. What mollie has been saying is absolutely true and somehow slimer has actually managed to look worse here than usual. We can call it semi-policy.

It's genuinely a much better idea to take care of slimer now when our lynch would be the least informed.

VOTE: slimer

[Wisdom]

@Desp
If you think you can read someone just by reading one (1) scumgame of theirs, we will definitely agree to disagree.

[Bert]

YES

let's lynch Slimer

I'm game for this!!!!!!

Vote: slimer

<33333333

[Wisdom]

slimer votes are terrible btw. Especially from people who have played with him before. We'll figure him out later, we're not lynching him now.

[Wisdom]

Ooh, but I don't like Wisdom's tne vote. He seems way too glad about having found a suitable mislynch target that he can write off as a DL lynch.

I could point at anyone and call them a DL lynch, why would it have to be specifically tne? Your assumptions are wild and bad.

[Wisdom]

Town-Wisdom usually

Not reading the rest.