Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm not sure that clarifies anything about anything, Varsoon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy, I meant why Mollie had them as null.

I understand that. I can't answer for her, but you asked if both heads have him as null. I answered that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie can you elaborate a bit on why you have ftl in the null?

Is it both heads are null or one is scummy one isn't or what?

cos I flat out can't tell what their alignment is and it has to do with both heads. varsoon is a bit whiney with the "I felt like a disaster in xeno1 and I am trying to improve" which is reminisce of xeno 1 where he was complaining of feeling left out. gun to my head I would say town.

if I had my way and could ask for town to make mollie's wet dream come true I would say lets lynch skull. of course someone will come in here and say "oh but she hasn't posted enough to get a read!!!!" and my answer to that would be YEAH WHY THE FUCK IS THAT. I think what you said was spot on and you are right, it is mostly scum who say things like that. her posts are horrible and skull is capable of so much more.

eta: xposts, majiffy plz just hush, that isn't what he was asking just stop

[mastin2]

I maintain that this does not appear to be the town-Malakittens I am used to. Something about her this game just seems...

different

from her town-self. I can't explain it. But she

feels

like scum.

mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking.

Well, then, get Majiffy to knock me out of his scum pile. I'm town. Seriously, I am. I know I haven't been putting on a strong showing. But I swear it. You can trust me to be town this game.

I want to work with you and him. I have Malakittens as scum, and obviously nickthename as scum, both in Majiffy's scum-pile, but I'm going to have difficulty working with you and him if he's calling me scum.

Among them being that I don't see the FtL scumread, and want more talking from you two on him.

I really like your townreads in 907, with the exception of Bro and maaaaaybe Trust Fund. (Who is stuck on null, but if you can, I'd love for you to talk me into them being town.) I also love the nick-scumread, and like your Andrius read as well. So work with me.

[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,

Malakittens

, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,

nickthename

)

Bad wagon is bad and incredibly scumdriven.

[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)

Replacement wagon is bad and the best names on there are FtL (a minor townread) and MuffinMan (also minor townread), which is

generally a

very bad sign

.

[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)

Epic wagon is epic. Made up of a player who everyone (be it via play or meta) is calling town and with TWO conftown backing it.
The Malakittens wagon is a decent alternative, though.

What specifically concerns you about these reads?

In short? Because nick's scum, Rach's town, I'm conftown, and TD is a minor townread of mine at the moment. I did say "a bit", not "seriously". It's a

potential

sign of "being-scum-saying-good-things-but-pushing-a-scum-agenda", but I don't think it actually

is

being-scum.

There is one specific scenario I can see Rach being scum in, but only one, and not one I'd care to share at this time. If that scenario turned out not to be true, then Rach would be town.

Also, skipped over this but noticed it when mollie posted:

It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

I actually did, but I didn't get much from it. The analysis is in the quicktopic I created for this game.

(See. This is me lying. This is me showing a bit more confidence, even though I'm actually having less and less confidence. I told you it'd be closer to the me you're used to, despite it being a lie. )

[Faster Than Light]

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time)

It's this one.

Look at the way FTL calls out TD for voting him for weak reasons under pressure, but doesn't even bat an eye at Nick, who is doing

exactly that

.

Oh God... now the issue with Notscience and Rach living together...

No, Rach lives with NobodySpecial. She's saying she refers to notscience as Notty because NobSpec is commonly referred to as NS.

@895Be careful mollie, if you keep grasping at straws that hard, you'll break them, and then you won't be able to keep drinking whatever hard liquor you were drinking when you made that post. Can yall like talk about reads before the end of day one? Is there some reason why have to wait for the first night to talk?

Can we get some more votes on this scumbutt please? ^

@Nickthename: He didn't? Holy shit, you're right. I must've misread his 128, it's a lot more clear now that he's just pissed at how Venmar played his PGO claim. I've never hydra'd with metal sonic, but we've got several PMs sent between us trying to get in touch. Skype isn't letting our messages hit each other, and MS isn't responding to me in the MafiaChat, so I just PM'd him my facebook account, so I hope he'll get in touch with me through that. MS plays this sort of way in all of his games, which is why I hydra'd with him. I'm usually way more long-winded and I focus on individual posts a lot. MS is tangental and assess the game as a whole, his posts seeming disconnected from the post-by-post discussion. Also, I can never fucking read him, so I'd rather be on his side than not.

-V

Fairly certain this addresses Nick's concerns about my slot.

-V

Quoting for Hydra integrity.

-V

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh but she hasn't posted enough to get a read!!!!

[Faster Than Light]

@B&B: Re-reading, I get that you're trying to dock points from -both- me and Nick, but your lens is set there.

@TD: You made a case. Good. It didn't take off. Make it stronger. Investigate. Do work, you hobgoblin. Don't just cross arms because no one listened to you once and now you gotta insult them because they want you to validate, reinforce, and present your voice.

-V

[mastin2]

(Actually, I think I mighta discovered part of the problem. The normal Mastin that most people have been playing with the last two or three years or so

is

a bit of a lie, since whenever I come to MS.net, I begin to wear a bit of a mask. A while back*, I resolved that I'd be trying to slowly disintegrate the mask, and show more of my natural self. Problem is, the natural me is a lot less confident. I guess this game will serve as a testing ground of sorts, then, as I balance the two. Letting more of my natural self in, but

also

becoming the mask, in that I take the better elements of the mask and incorporate them into my real self.)

*Mostly on a different site, when debating the concept of multiple personalities and a resulting PM conversation I had with someone on there about my MS.net self, meaning that the conversation there had an influence here.

[Malakittens]

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

[notscience]

I am now going to take a deep breath and be useful instead of yelling at you, which was my gut reaction to that horrible post.

Reason the first mac is scum, Misrep, see posts 150 and 153 i.e running away. Post 176 i.e go cry and post 208 i.e "that was a push."

Hey look, the PUSH I mentioned that you said I can't dismiss it as!

Reason the second mac is scum, trying to turn his own rhetorical's in to real questions after realizing that what he had told me to do didn't exist. See posts 153 and 164 i.e answering questions. (This was the slip that we are talking about.) He thought people had been asking me questions that he could make me look bad and apply more pressure for not answering, only they hadn't.

Hey look, more things related to pushing you! People ask questions, people like using them to find out your mentality. Doesn't make a scum. Admittedly, it looks rhetorical and leading but that's null.

Reason the third mac is scum, cognitive dissonance. I clearly, very motherfucking clearly was not "flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative" I have spelled out at least once why there is literally not possible way for an intelligent, reasoning, and reading individual to have thought this. See post 217 from mac and the first half of post 385 from me.

I disagree, that's exactly how it looked to me. Someone already said it looked like you were subtly pushing a PL on him. Which is what I saw. Pushing a lynch on town without being on it is worse than being on it. I disagree about the OMGUS bit. And you've been not-so-subtly buddying Syry/Cabd, sooooo.

Reason the fourth mac is scum, when confronted with evidence that debunks his reasons for being on a wagon, his response is not. "Ok, maybe I should vote someone else." or "Ok, but I have all this other evidence that says I should still be here." it's "I've justified my place on this wagon already." see post 245

Confbias is a thing you know, just because his points were wrong doesn't mean his opinion of someone changed.

I'll get one of these on FTL next. For a condensed version on trustfund, no I'm not going to enlarge it, please see post 385.

So

You think Mac is scum

You think nick is town for thinknig Mac is scum

And yet you're voting FTL

Your case is bad. You thinking it's good is both disgusting and pathetic if not moronic.

Pedit-@Majiffy, my question was meant to be if she had both of FTL's heads as null, sorry if that came off strange.

[Malakittens]

Mastin you aren't confirmed town, shut up.

[Faster Than Light]

Mastin, that's postmodern as fuck, but I'll bring you further than that:
The 'true face' was a mask, too.
One mirrors the other such in the way that one and one make three.

@Mala: Squirm more, scum. You're looking for the easiest target now that you've got some force behind your wagon? Step it up, senpai.

-V

[Sound of Silence]

Mastin, could you go into a little more detail on your Andrius read? I think it might help me sort both of you.

[nickthename]

I want to work with you and him. I have Malakittens as scum, and obviously nickthename as scum, both in Majiffy's scum-pile, but I'm going to have difficulty working with you and him if he's calling me scum.

"I'm buddying you really hard, can I be town now?" Also, I don't like the implication that you won't be able to work with them unless they post reading you as town.

[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,

Malakittens

, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,

nickthename

)

Bad wagon is bad and incredibly scumdriven.

[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)

Replacement wagon is bad and the best names on there are FtL (a minor townread) and MuffinMan (also minor townread), which is

generally a

very bad sign

.

[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)

Epic wagon is epic. Made up of a player who everyone (be it via play or meta) is calling town and with TWO conftown backing it.
The Malakittens wagon is a decent alternative, though.

You slip in saying that you're conf-town and comment on the mala wagon without looking at the votes on it, which I'd like you to do.

(See. This is me lying. This is me showing a bit more confidence, even though I'm actually having less and less confidence. I told you it'd be closer to the me you're used to, despite it being a lie. )

So you're lying that you're confident while pushing wagons? Dunno how people don't think this is obv scum.
VOTE: Mastin

[thezmon221]

yes Z dude is the zmon one I call the other one muffin to keep them straight. Also call notscience Notty so it does not get confused with NS who is my fiance.

1. Of course I know that the top row was scum. That's why I questioned Mala/nhamm's placement in there. Nobody had really given me a reason to believe they are scum at that point in time.
2. I'm going to call notscience NS. Deal with it.


Furthermore, I am starting to warm up to notscience some more. He's actually being useful.

To add to that, I'm going to totally sheep Molliffy here, since it gives me the perfect reason to hop ships to a different wagon. Plus, I do still have reasons which have been expressed in the past.

VOTE: nickthename

Oh, and I like most of the names on the wagon, so that's a plus. Mastin's looking really scummy about this time, though...

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Pedit-@Majiffy, my question was meant to be if she had both of FTL's heads as null, sorry if that came off strange.

Ohhhhh

[Aj The Epic]

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

So what you're telling me is when you are all over the place, and when you decide not to include well-founded reason, that's scum. But when you go AtE and start posting like you have (Look at my iso, I have the case there for you), that's town? No. You were REPLICATING your town game in the newbie game. This is downright your scum play. Appealing to Mollie, who misread you in that game, isn't smart since I'm the one who found your slip. You've already proven your own scum tell on FTL to work with you, and you're trying to get Mollie to defend you.

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I maintain that this does not appear to be the town-Malakittens I am used to. Something about her this game just seems...

different

from her town-self. I can't explain it. But she

feels

like scum.

mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking.

Well, then, get Majiffy to knock me out of his scum pile. I'm town. Seriously, I am. I know I haven't been putting on a strong showing. But I swear it. You can trust me to be town this game.

I want to work with you and him. I have Malakittens as scum, and obviously nickthename as scum, both in Majiffy's scum-pile, but I'm going to have difficulty working with you and him if he's calling me scum.

Among them being that I don't see the FtL scumread, and want more talking from you two on him.

I really like your townreads in 907, with the exception of Bro and maaaaaybe Trust Fund. (Who is stuck on null, but if you can, I'd love for you to talk me into them being town.) I also love the nick-scumread, and like your Andrius read as well. So work with me.

well I was just thinking about bro and was wondering if I should him down to unsure. I was back to wondering if the uncertainty is more of an uncomfortableness since he was scum who won in the last game and he is paranoid people are going to scrutinise everything he does. he hasn't followed up with "I caught sound in a liar tell!" so that is a little worrying.

tf is more of a gut read, his reach to me here felt very similar to the one in red wedding where he had to convince me for like ever that he was town cos he subbed into a scummy slot.

how do you feel about skull

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@B&B: Re-reading, I get that you're trying to dock points from -both- me and Nick, but your lens is set there.

@TD: You made a case. Good. It didn't take off. Make it stronger. Investigate. Do work, you hobgoblin. Don't just cross arms because no one listened to you once and now you gotta insult them because they want you to validate, reinforce, and present your voice.

-V

I don't even know what you are saying here

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah I didn't get that either.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

(Actually, I think I mighta discovered part of the problem. The normal Mastin that most people have been playing with the last two or three years or so

is

a bit of a lie, since whenever I come to MS.net, I begin to wear a bit of a mask. A while back*, I resolved that I'd be trying to slowly disintegrate the mask, and show more of my natural self. Problem is, the natural me is a lot less confident. I guess this game will serve as a testing ground of sorts, then, as I balance the two. Letting more of my natural self in, but

also

becoming the mask, in that I take the better elements of the mask and incorporate them into my real self.)

*Mostly on a different site, when debating the concept of multiple personalities and a resulting PM conversation I had with someone on there about my MS.net self, meaning that the conversation there had an influence here.

also, question:

in pikman you repeatedly called me stupid, so what has changed that you suddenly have decided that I am a decent enough player that you want to work with?

[Malakittens]

Mastin, that's postmodern as fuck, but I'll bring you further than that:
The 'true face' was a mask, too.
One mirrors the other such in the way that one and one make three.

@Mala: Squirm more, scum. You're looking for the easiest target now that you've got some force behind your wagon? Step it up, senpai.

-V

Still not scum. I don't like to be held so yeah I'm squirming. After all I'm a cat :p

Also you are calling you self easy? What makes you an easy target? You're not easy, you're scum.

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

So what you're telling me is when you are all over the place, and when you decide not to include well-founded reason, that's scum. But when you go AtE and start posting like you have (Look at my iso, I have the case there for you), that's town? No. You were REPLICATING your town game in the newbie game. This is downright your scum play. Appealing to Mollie, who misread you in that game, isn't smart since I'm the one who found your slip. You've already proven your own scum tell on FTL to work with you, and you're trying to get Mollie to defend you.

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

My beginning reads were gut. You never used gut before? If you say you haw never have I'm going to call you a liar. Currently I do have well reasons for my town reads, but also for my scum reads. I'm not even Ate'ing. I'm not appealing to her and sorry to break it to you I'm giving her cristism and I did it to her after our micro game where she scum read me for god knows what. I don't need anyone to defend me and I sure as hell don't want her to do it.

I never once did the scum tell that FTL has done. He's scum a million times over, but the fact you aren't considering it scares me. THE FACT NO ONE PICKED UP ON HIS POSTS BOTHERS ME (hint:Fery)

[mastin2]

Mastin you aren't confirmed town, shut up.

Except I am, and rather blatantly so.

Normally, I don't like to have the ego to say that a wagon on me is scumdriven. Least of all in a game where there are some justified reasons not to like my play. (Because

I

didn't like my play, it's understandable others wouldn't. ) But, well...almost all the names having me as a strong scumread are by no coincidence my own scumreads. And I have to admit, part of the reason that they're scumreads (worth noting, though, that

it's a very, VERY small part

making up less than 5% of my total read on them!) is their suspicion on me when it's blatantly obvious that I'm town. (Yes, admittedly, abnormal-for-Mastin in my playstyle this game, and again, that's something I have to apologize for. But still town, and about as unsubtly town as can be.)

how do you feel about skull

Dead null. Really, there's not much there. If there were more posts from Skull, I'd have a better idea of what to read Skull as, but there's virtually zero posts. Okay, I lied; not dead null. That "dead null" posting pattern in this game makes skull default to a minor scumread via being AT null.

Mastin, could you go into a little more detail on your Andrius read? I think it might help me sort both of you.

Similar in nature to my read on Malakittens, albeit less solid because it's not as backed by meta. I wrote the bit about Andy being a scumread before his megawall, because I didn't like his pre-wall posts at all. The wall itself (while being humorous) also was incredibly scummy to me, solidifying the read, but not being a basis of the read.

The megawall opens up with a vote on nick; this is a classic scumbuddy-RVS move of voting-scumbuddy-for-the-heck-of-it and I KNOW that Andrius comes from a time period where scum do that. Said RVS-vote is for a bad reason, too; not knowing the player seems really forced. In fact, the entire tone of the post is really, REALLY forced. The vote on your slot, SoS, for instance. Then there's the faked reaction to notscience's reveal; that rant is about as faked as fakerage gets. Not to mention, entirely unnecessary, as others had pointed out the sub-optimal nature of the play AND in addition to that it is unnecessary to do because notscience is the type of player who ranting on will only encourage him to do it again.

The bit about TD looks bad. Trying to get hydras to sign their posts, which I've found in my experience to be a bit of a scumtell unless the player in question has enough meta history with the hydra in question to justify it. (You know the type. A town player wanting to analyze their buddy who they have a perfect or near-perfect ability to meta-read, but said buddy is in a hydra where the heads post similarly.

Then

and ONLY then is it important to know or care who's posting. Andy most certainly was not this.)

So you're lying that you're confident while pushing wagons?

I'm lying about specific reads being as strong as they are, but the reads I'm lying about being strong are mostly townreads. My scumreads (few as they are)

are

fairly strong--Malakittens, you, and Andrius being among them. (The only scumread I might be exaggerating as part of the lie-of-confidence is Broseidon.) Thus, there is no lie about me being confident in you being scum;

that

read is probably the strongest real read I'll be getting this game.

Mastin's looking really scummy about this time, though...

Drop it, thez. You're one of the townreads I'm faking confidence in. I am town. I'm about as town as I can possibly be in a game. Not at my strongest scumhunting-wise (working on it), sure, yes, but town all the same. If you're town like I'm thinking, then you can trust me to be town this game.

[Sound of Silence]

FTL is very much in my scum pile, mala. I defer a little to GiF on reading Varsoon, but GiF also reads him as scum.

[notscience]

Mastin why do you keep reaching out to people saying "you can trust me to be town this game"