Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Sound of Silence]

Talk to me about people that aren't main topics of conversation right now. Nacho, zMuffin, Ghostlin, AJ.

this would be a cool convo to have. mollie, you wanna talk to me about these people too?

Add nick and BRO in there for good measure.

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

zMuffin looks town to me. I disagree with him on some stuff, but his posts come off pretty damn town-motivated and the trajectory of his reads is internally consistent so far.

Ghostlin looks like town-Ghostlin for the most part though there's a thing or two I associate with his town play that I'm not seeing quite yet.

AJ's early play reminds me of town-AJ from Xeno. Now that he's dug in and is starting to pursue reads that's actually something I don't remember from the earlier game but once again - internally consistent and reasonable trajectory. Also he was hammered into a hole in the first game and I don't think he ever had enough stance to effectively pursue his reads.

Nick is playing aggressively. I think he's a little more aggressive than he was in the newbie game that several of us played together, but that was a few months back so I'd expect his comfort with MS game style to be higher.

I think BRO is scum. I wrote up a short paragraph why in a reply to ghostlin at some ungodly hour of the morning.

[Aj The Epic]

Aww, you don't like me wanting VI's dead and gone? You poor thing.

Confirmed town is still confirmed town. Don't make the town have to take care of it. That's for the scum to clear up. We hunt scum, not town. We vig unknowns, not verified town. Stop getting all butthurt about his claim. His play hasn't been a complete loss.

Show me a game where Mala used AtE so heavily and often as town. This isn't HER town game.

The point on zmuffin is something called 'confirmation bias'. He's not scum, get over it.

You can't even give a lean on Nick? Come on, he was part of the early controversy with TD, has posted throughout and every post he's made has stuck out to me like a sore thumb. I don't know how you've missed getting some read on him.

And I don't care if skull is on Mastin or not. She's obviously there as a sheep. There are scum on that wagon.

[Trust Fund]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

*nods*

zMuffin looks town to me. I disagree with him on some stuff, but his posts come off pretty damn town-motivated and the trajectory of his reads is internally consistent so far.

Can you elaborate a bit on the town motivation? Also, the timing of his "raaar TF is scum" I found highly suspect.

Ghostlin looks like town-Ghostlin for the most part though there's a thing or two I associate with his town play that I'm not seeing quite yet.

I believe I know what you're talking about, and I agree.

AJ's early play reminds me of town-AJ from Xeno. Now that he's dug in and is starting to pursue reads that's actually something I don't remember from the earlier game but once again - internally consistent and reasonable trajectory. Also he was hammered into a hole in the first game and I don't think he ever had enough stance to effectively pursue his reads.

Yeah, I liked his early play too. Mollie, why do you hate AJ? Luigi can answer too.

Nick is playing aggressively. I think he's a little more aggressive than he was in the newbie game that several of us played together, but that was a few months back so I'd expect his comfort with MS game style to be higher.

I will ISO this guy at some unspecified point in the future.

I think BRO is scum. I wrote up a short paragraph why in a reply to ghostlin at some ungodly hour of the morning.

I shall look for this.

[notscience]

Syry

Can I vig shot you

Not cabd because cabd isn't being mean to me

On a more serious note, who do you think the scum on the wagon are exactly, if not Nick?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Talk to me about people that aren't main topics of conversation right now. Nacho, zMuffin, Ghostlin, AJ.

this would be a cool convo to have. mollie, you wanna talk to me about these people too?

Add nick and BRO in there for good measure.

if andy flips scum I am thinking nacho is a good candidate for a partner. he should have zeroed in on the similarities of andy's pl game and instead chose to ignore them. he is out of step plus he is picking on girls.

muffin - not sure. he is defo putting forth effort I almost want to engage him but he doesn't seem interested in anything I have to say. he is defending mastin but going after lynchbait rach so hhhmmm....I dunno.

ghostlin - he is mentioning our name but isn't reaching out. so unsure.

bro is interesting and I asked both cabd and metal a question so I am waiting for a dialogue about that. in rw bro was really uncertain and I might be seeing something similar here. I waffle back and forth with him. he was much more confident as scum in xeno1.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No one ever wants to talk to Majiffy

[Trust Fund]

Syry

Can I vig shot you

Not cabd because cabd isn't being mean to me

Only if you promise never to fuck up PRs because you're bored again. Then I might stop being mean and let you vig me.

On a more serious note, who do you think the scum on the wagon are exactly, if not Nick?

[6] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon, nickthename, TiphaineDeath, Skullduggery)

Of the people on that wagon, I have townreads on everyone excepting Skull, nick, BRO. So if there's scum in there, it would be in those three. Which ones? Don't know yet.

Pedit: hi mollie, i will answer momentarily

[TiphaineDeath]

.... UNVOTE: VOTE: trust fund

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah, I liked his early play too. Mollie, why do you hate AJ? Luigi can answer too.

Skull has made 3 posts; her last post was the one in which she voted Mastin; IIRC, not even for the "slip".

AJ is misrepping Skull by suggesting she is the "pushing scum" in regards to a question involving scum

continuing

to push the MastinSlip argument.

For a number of reasons, his position is demonstrably false.

[Sound of Silence]

zMuffin looks town to me. I disagree with him on some stuff, but his posts come off pretty damn town-motivated and the trajectory of his reads is internally consistent so far.

Can you elaborate a bit on the town motivation? Also, the timing of his "raaar TF is scum" I found highly suspect.

Looks like he's doing genuine scumhunting so far. Re the timing, the TD blow-up over Venmar's claim was a really shiny thing and it pulled in a bunch of players. I thought TD looked scummy initially, but didn't vote because a) I almost always take my time over votes and when I don't I usually wish I had and b) I wanted to watch the interactions unfold because data.

[TiphaineDeath]

Guys, hey guys, look at me, I'm trust fund. "This dude slipped, and I have other reasons too, he's scum!" ..... "Oh wait this wagon looks like it's not going to get there because lots of people don't agree with my slip, lets vote this other dude while I can still look townie doing it!"

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

*nods*

zMuffin looks town to me. I disagree with him on some stuff, but his posts come off pretty damn town-motivated and the trajectory of his reads is internally consistent so far.

Can you elaborate a bit on the town motivation? Also, the timing of his "raaar TF is scum" I found highly suspect.

Ghostlin looks like town-Ghostlin for the most part though there's a thing or two I associate with his town play that I'm not seeing quite yet.

I believe I know what you're talking about, and I agree.

AJ's early play reminds me of town-AJ from Xeno. Now that he's dug in and is starting to pursue reads that's actually something I don't remember from the earlier game but once again - internally consistent and reasonable trajectory. Also he was hammered into a hole in the first game and I don't think he ever had enough stance to effectively pursue his reads.

Yeah, I liked his early play too.

Mollie, why do you hate AJ?

Luigi can answer too.

Nick is playing aggressively. I think he's a little more aggressive than he was in the newbie game that several of us played together, but that was a few months back so I'd expect his comfort with MS game style to be higher.

I will ISO this guy at some unspecified point in the future.

I think BRO is scum. I wrote up a short paragraph why in a reply to ghostlin at some ungodly hour of the morning.

I shall look for this.

I don't hate aj I have him as a strong town read. majiffy is the 1 who is being retarded and keeps trying to pass off his sole reads as both of ours as if he has bothered to talk to me about them.

[zMuffinMan]

I disagree with him on some stuff

Which stuff?

I almost want to engage him but he doesn't seem interested in anything I have to say

*shrug* You were one of my first town reads, I don't engage with my town reads as much as my other reads, unless I really feel a need to get them on the same page as me, or understand why they're not on the same page as me. You're free to ask me questions if you want, and I am reading all your posts, but I don't feel a need to engage with you.

he is defending mastin but going after lynchbait rach

If she's lynchbait then why is it so fucking hard to get her lynched?

[TiphaineDeath]

Though I think I am rescinding my mac scumread, mostly because trustfund can't be scum with mac after mac poo-pooed the mastin wagon. Woulda been reaaaaaly easy for mac to join.

[Sound of Silence]

Yeah, I liked his early play too. Mollie, why do you hate AJ? Luigi can answer too.

Skull has made 3 posts; her last post was the one in which she voted Mastin; IIRC, not even for the "slip".

AJ is misrepping Skull by suggesting she is the "pushing scum" in regards to a question involving scum

continuing

to push the MastinSlip argument.

For a number of reasons, his position is demonstrably false.

I'll go back and look at this.

What did you think of Skull's post with the vote?

[Trust Fund]

if andy flips scum I am thinking nacho is a good candidate for a partner. he should have zeroed in on the similarities of andy's pl game and instead chose to ignore them. he is out of step plus he is picking on girls.

100% agree.

muffin - not sure. he is defo putting forth effort I almost want to engage him but he doesn't seem interested in anything I have to say. he is defending mastin but going after lynchbait rach so hhhmmm....I dunno.

You think Rach is town, then?

ghostlin - he is mentioning our name but isn't reaching out. so unsure.

He's missing a couple key Ghostlin town qualities, imo. Not enough where I want to scumread him, but enough to keep me from townreading him.

bro is interesting and I asked both cabd and metal a question so I am waiting for a dialogue about that. in rw bro was really uncertain and I might be seeing something similar here. I waffle back and forth with him. he was much more confident as scum in xeno1.

I didn't like BRO initially cause of this liar tell stuff. I've never seen scum-BRO like some of the other people here, but that itself was enough to set bells off in me head. Putting him at L-1,2 ish and watching his reactions would be pretty alignment indicative, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. And not worth the time with scum-andy and possibly scum-nacho in the bush.


Pedit: I need to go reread AJ's Skull posts
Pedit2: TF, not TD, fery.
Pedit3:
Pedit4: Unintentional misrep noted, mollie. Sorry.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

majiffy is the 1 who is being retarded and keeps trying to pass off his sole reads as both of ours

Um... No?

[Aj The Epic]

AJ is misrepping Skull by suggesting she is the "pushing scum" in regards to a question involving scum continuing to push the MastinSlip argument.

For skull, " Not everyone who votes your target is (town).

Corrected that typo pages ago.

[TiphaineDeath]

Anyone feel like telling me I'm wrong? Or why I'm wrong? 'Cause really..... That sequence of events was fucking horrible.

[Trust Fund]

Guys, hey guys, look at me, I'm trust fund. "This dude slipped, and I have other reasons too, he's scum!" ..... "Oh wait this wagon looks like it's not going to get there because lots of people don't agree with my slip, lets vote this other dude while I can still look townie doing it!"

Are you serious? So if your top townread makes a reasonable argument why to put mastin off until later, you'd just ignore them and keep voting him? Particularly when said townread is voting another top scumread?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

What did you think of Skull's post with the vote?

I have no read on Skull. Not enough content.

[Aj The Epic]

There's some sorting to be done, TD. As I explained, what Mastin said can't be a scumslip so we've got to figure out who was pushing an easy lynch.

[TiphaineDeath]

Yes I'm serious, according to you, you honestly believed he slipped. I don't know know about ya'll, but when I see a slip, I go after it till I'm dead or have been proven categorically wrong at least once.

I'm still not sure I agree with you AJ, but a TF scumflip would confirm that for me.

[Sound of Silence]

Which stuff?

You have TD as maybe scum and RachMarie as scum. Other than that, I think we're close to on the same page. Your stances on those two are consistent, but, I disagree. I'd have Rach at null atm. Our amalgamated read is somewhere around null-town because GiF is pretty confident she's town.

[Trust Fund]

Yes I'm serious, according to you, you honestly believed he slipped. I don't know know about ya'll, but when I see a slip, I go after it till I'm dead or have been proven categorically wrong at least once.

Hey look, another player thinking I'm scum because I don't think the way he does.

I've been proven wrong about slips before. Between AJ's point involving said slip, and mollie giving me reason to give mastin more time, I'm perfectly happy to move my vote from him to Andy. In other words, I'm willing to consider I might be wrong about him which includes the slip.