Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

@TD,

Even if I don't like TrustFund, that's not actually what happened and for someone who got all antsy about me apparently misrepresenting you, you're doing a fine job with your hypocrisy here.



@SoS,

If the RM wagon goes nowhere, I'll join you on the BRO wagon, but yeah, I don't see her as town right now. Is RM just null for you because zero content?

As for TD, I'm actually not sure what to think of him atm. I have him as maybe-scum because I'm having a lot of trouble reading any of his posts as town and I see some stuff that makes me think scum. People keep saying his posts look town but I don't see it at all.

[Trust Fund]

You have TD as maybe scum and RachMarie as scum. Other than that, I think we're close to on the same page. Your stances on those two are consistent, but, I disagree. I'd have Rach at null atm. Our amalgamated read is somewhere around null-town because GiF is pretty confident she's town.

Why does GIF think that she's town?

[Sound of Silence]

was*

I'm not as confident anymore, but her whining and shizz is null for her and I don't think she's being totally useless.

[Trust Fund]

I'm not as confident anymore, but her whining and shizz is null for her and I don't think she's being totally useless.

It put my hackles up mostly because she did the whole lurky whiny thing in a newbie game I was in recently. It took moving mountains to get her lynched for it too. Hence why I'm curious you thought she was town.

[Trust Fund]

^ she was scum rolecop

[Sound of Silence]

@SoS,

If the RM wagon goes nowhere, I'll join you on the BRO wagon, but yeah, I don't see her as town right now. Is RM just null for you because zero content?

As for TD, I'm actually not sure what to think of him atm. I have him as maybe-scum because I'm having a lot of trouble reading any of his posts as town and I see some stuff that makes me think scum. People keep saying his posts look town but I don't see it at all.

We moved our vote from BRO to Andy. If we change our minds about Andy we'll probably move back to BRO given the current lay of the game.

GiF tells me he just posted about Rach so I'll skip over that part.

[Sound of Silence]

I'm not as confident anymore, but her whining and shizz is null for her and I don't think she's being totally useless.

It put my hackles up mostly because she did the whole lurky whiny thing in a newbie game I was in recently. It took moving mountains to get her lynched for it too. Hence why I'm curious you thought she was town.

Is this Cabd or Syry

If it's Cabd, in newbie 1395, I was able to nail her down as scum very quickly. I'm not seeing that in this game. Something tells me that it's maybe because of her lack of posts, but until I see something pings from her, I'm content at leaving her as my townread.

[Trust Fund]

Is this Cabd or Syry

If it's Cabd, in newbie 1395, I was able to nail her down as scum very quickly. I'm not seeing that in this game. Something tells me that it's maybe because of her lack of posts, but until I see something pings from her, I'm content at leaving her as my townread.

Syry. Been Syry all day.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Anyone feel like telling me I'm wrong? Or why I'm wrong? 'Cause really..... That sequence of events was fucking horrible.

because we work with our town reads. we did this in xeno1 so you should be used to it somewhat. yes, town lost, but some d1 town reads should have been reevaluated on d3 and 4 and weren't. it happens.

in this game your play is screaming town so work with us!

that is town syrlacious or I will eat my hat.

[Sound of Silence]

Agree re Town Syr.

[notscience]

Okay Syry

I promise

ftr I hadn't been/seen one before so I was like "well fuck what do I do"

Good to know for future reference though

[Desperado]

Mollie, can you and ffery talk to me about what you guys are seeing with Andy? You've talked a little about the differences between his entrance here and in Xeno 1, but now you're saying he's playing like scum-Andy, which I am unfamiliar with.

SoS: Can you quote something useful that Rach has done? I agree that "being useful" is hard for Rach regardless of alignment, but Trust Fund and I are both seeing scum-Rach here for what I imagine are similar reasons.

[Desperado]

Mollie, can you and ffery talk to me about what you guys are seeing with Andy? You've talked a little about the differences between his entrance here and in Xeno 1, but now you're saying he's playing like scum-Andy, which I am unfamiliar with.

SoS: Can you quote something useful that Rach has done? I agree that "being useful" is hard for Rach regardless of alignment, but Trust Fund and I are both seeing scum-Rach here for what I imagine are similar reasons.

[Desperado]

Mollie, can you and ffery talk to me about what you guys are seeing with Andy? You've talked a little about the differences between his entrance here and in Xeno 1, but now you're saying he's playing like scum-Andy, which I am unfamiliar with.

SoS: Can you quote something useful that Rach has done? I agree that "being useful" is hard for Rach regardless of alignment, but Trust Fund and I are both seeing scum-Rach here for what I imagine are similar reasons.

[Sound of Silence]

@Desp GiF says this post is an example of what he means by something useful. Will answer your other question separately.

well this game will be.... interesting (in the sense of the old Chinese curse May your life be interesting that is).....

Whether TD is scum or town I am not sure on, but I am leaning town cause that wagon hell Nacho has not even posted yet..... And a few others as well. 8 of 11 votes? Cmon guys n gals we need to examine those on his wagon duh.

No need to get worried Mollie just I am not 100% sold that both your slot and hers are town. Given time will be better at sorting it out. And part of that would be finding out if its just hey we know each other or that you are playing buddy buddy knowing peeps would think it too blatant to be buddying. As Jiffy and Syr post that will help too.



Pedit the PGO kills the doc and so does the scum who tries to kill I believe but not positive on that.

[Trust Fund]

that is town syrlacious or I will eat my hat.

You have no idea how refreshing it is to be town after that horrendous travesty of a MyLo game. Then again, you might, considering you were scum too.

Okay Syry

I promise

ftr I hadn't been/seen one before so I was like "well fuck what do I do"

Good to know for future reference though

Next time, wait to use it for like, LyLo, or when you're about to get run up. Don't just... blow it to boredom.
/forgiven

Mollie, can you and ffery talk to me about what you guys are seeing with Andy? You've talked a little about the differences between his entrance here and in Xeno 1, but now you're saying he's playing like scum-Andy, which I am unfamiliar with.

SoS: Can you quote something useful that Rach has done? I agree that "being useful" is hard for Rach regardless of alignment, but Trust Fund and I are both seeing scum-Rach here for what I imagine are similar reasons.

Probably similar reasons, I gave mine in my reads list and a couple posts ago when talking to GIF.

I'd answer about what I think about Andy, but my name isn't fery or mollie :X

Pedit: oh herro usefulness /analyzing

[Malakittens]

Molliffy why do you think Mala's scum

He didn't like my entrance into the game.

hello this is MS


and i would like to say that mara pushing my slot is TvT

in HxH mala had broken sensors and she tunneled me calling me "omg ms is scum lynch lynch lynch"

later mala got lynched and flipped VT

apparently good thing her push didnt get traction because I was mason with gif/bork and yes mala cant read me

so i am inclined to believe that mala cant read me now either and is just throwing shit which varsoon is getting pissed off of

and yes i am now in touch with varsoon that is a good thing now lets play mafia

Um, hi. I never really tunneled you persay. I actually tunneled Oversoul a bit, but then I thought you were scum and then kinda let it go a bit?

Finally got to talk to Metal Sonic, confirming that here.

@Mala: I'm sorry. MS told me I was coming off as a total ass, too, and that's just not cool (of me, I mean). Your posts really jarred me around, especially how curt and cut-and-dry you are about calling people scum. I'll try to be a bit more clear-headed and understanding with you, but, please, articulate your reads a bit more. It's frustrating to see other players call for sheeps while not offering much new info. For now though, I think I've been way too abrasive and directly annoyed with your play, and it's polarized us in a way that isn't helpful at all to this game. So... truce?

I'm working on a really dope ISO-y/Reads list (instead of suicide, figured it'd be a little more better management of my time) so hold your breath. Should be coming this afternoon, and should synthesize MS's thoughts. :3

-V

Yeah let's truce. To be frank I don't like our back and forth and it was making me replace out which was why I posted what I posted before I went to bed. You'll going to have to deal with me being aggressive though. That's not going to change.

ms here and i cant help but say that even that mala apology was over the top

yeah mala the cat is town imo but that is non-standard varsoon behaviour (amished tell or whatever fancy term you call it)

rest assured that we are town and we are talking on fb right now

making reads list with vars now


pedits: wow 4 posts this is magic

@notscience if something's malfunctioning and then it is malfunctioning
tl;dr yes

p-pedit: gif ily <3

Amished tell really isn't town motivated though. I mean I even played it the time I was scum and I have seen scum do it. Town can do it also, but I guess I just don't care for it.

[notscience]

I do amished as town

Got me ML'd as town

[Malakittens]

Apparently he scumslipped with that 5 scums in the game thingy.

Don't really see it as a scum slip. I myself have always thought about how many scum are in a game so I can look for possible connections. Main reason why I haven't voted Mastin. I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".

I am not a fan of the mastin wagon at all. he has been saying a lot of the things that I have been thinking the only thing that really and truly bugs me is his buttering up after everything he said in pikman.

I really don't see how can people read andy's posts as remotely townish when they look like they were dipped in a vat of steroids intended for a wwf infomercial I mean omg. what he is doing is the very definition of scum posturing. that isn't andy.

I will vote ftl to save mastin. his early posts gave me the heebee jeebees but varsoon has a tendency to do that. he can also aTe like a pro, he is a very good actor and no, I disagree, I don't think he deserves a win because of it. he is a null read that I am willing to lynch.

will lynch nicky too but my strongest strongest scum read is andy.

I'm going to look back on the andy thing once I finish catching up.

[Desperado]

I guess I'm just really not seeing it then. Breaking it down into 4 parts, 1) is not useful, 2) is potentially useful, but Rach never actually examined the wagon, 3) is not useful, and 4) is not useful.

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

And quoting that post shows just how useless Rach has been considering this:

ye gods

Sorry about that Mollie its more confusion than anything else. This game totally exploded faster than I thought it would. Going to look at some ISOs

FTR anyone who has ever played with me knows I get suspicious of fast wagons and quick lynches.

About time you got here Nacho

Wait Andy is playing too? where is he?

grumble grumble I will take some time to get a handle on this game

Could someone let me know who the heads of the hydrae are?

Other than B n B I know that one is Mollie and Jiffy.

The hydra question is so blatantly manufactured that it's honestly hard to believe. She's referred to all six of the heads in SOS/Trust Fund/BnB by name by the time she asks this question. No follow up on the TD wagon, no follow up on the ffery/mollie interactions.

Rach is scum, guys.

[Trust Fund]

I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".

Why do you think he's scum, then?

[Desperado]

I'd answer about what I think about Andy, but my name isn't fery or mollie :X

Please do, I've never played with him before and a bunch of my townreads are telling me he's obvscum because of meta and I'm not seeing it. It's disconcerting.

[Malakittens]

obviously there are scum pushing this bullshit

who is the scum?

Nick, Skull are scum pushing. The team I have is Nick, skull, Mala, with an end of TF/Rach/Andrius.

You want outside pushing?

I agree with the Mastin scum read.

I'm null on Rach and the rest I'm in disagreement, Even though I'm null-leaning town on SoS. I was townreading TF and this hasn't gone away because there was no reason for scum-TF to say my "reaching out tell in regards to Fery" is a null tell>

computer do not do this right now> let me enter the damn post< ty

Seriously, though: The writing is on the wall that Mala is scum this game.

I didn't realize that I became so damn outspoken when I had caught scum. The FTL thing was not TvT, that's a terrible assumption. Unfortunately, I'm probably going to end up on my second choice (nick) because I have two townreads and a conftown there right now.

Hey Trust fund. Your reads are bad, and you should feel bad. Wanna know why?

We don't kill confirmed town (NotScience). -100 town points.
We don't kill Probtown (FTL) -10 town points
Malakittens is in no way town. You're lacking any reason. -10 town points
Calling yourself town stinks. -10 town points
Zmuffin is more town than you. -5 town points
Nick, Nacho, and Bro have enough content to decide what to do with them. Especially nick. Stop being so easy on 'controversial' or important reads. Take a -15 town points.
Skull read: She votes mastin, so she's not a good scum read of yours? Only a lean? Come on. Not everyone who votes your target is scum. (you just lost all your town points here, so we're not going to dwell on how many that was)

So, you've just earned yourself a solid scum spot. Hoorah for terrible reads.

You accuse me of tunneling, but you are doing the exact same thing.

I can also tunnel as town, but you haven't considered that!(granted this is a hydra, but I was very set on this scum read and pushed for it while yelling at NS the whole time)

Predit:

yeah, I do, but I want to recheck OMGL's game first. I know it's different because he replaced in, but I want to see something in his posts.

[Sound of Silence]

Links to a couple of his walls in the Perpetual Mylo game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5178895

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5186183

Compared to the game-significance of the posts he zeroed in on in the Xeno 1 game, I thought those walls were pretty lame. I as a town player with some well defined town and scum reads already, thought his reads didn't look good, and the rationales didn't either.

At the time, I hadn't done a meta dive on some prior scum games and didn't realize the significance of some of what I was seeing in that wall, but now I do. From a metadive perspective one of the things that stood out in his ISOs was how he used insults - to prod poor play as town, and simply to inflame tempers as scum.

[zMuffinMan]

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

QFT. This (and the rest of 1294) is a more concise version of the thoughts I posted back in 879 in my mastin response, which expands on a lot of the reasons I think the quotes mastin called town are actually scum quotes.

Don't see where the town reads are coming from.

Also, @Desperado, 1137 has some responses to you.