Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

[Malakittens]

Aww, you don't like me wanting VI's dead and gone? You poor thing.

Confirmed town is still confirmed town. Don't make the town have to take care of it. That's for the scum to clear up. We hunt scum, not town. We vig unknowns, not verified town. Stop getting all butthurt about his claim. His play hasn't been a complete loss.

Show me a game where Mala used AtE so heavily and often as town. This isn't HER town game.

The point on zmuffin is something called 'confirmation bias'. He's not scum, get over it.

You can't even give a lean on Nick? Come on, he was part of the early controversy with TD, has posted throughout and every post he's made has stuck out to me like a sore thumb. I don't know how you've missed getting some read on him.

And I don't care if skull is on Mastin or not. She's obviously there as a sheep. There are scum on that wagon.

I haven't used AtE that much? Stop tunneling me.

[notscience]

srsly mala

;-;

I want to forget that game

[Sound of Silence]

I guess I'm just really not seeing it then. Breaking it down into 4 parts, 1) is not useful, 2) is potentially useful, but Rach never actually examined the wagon, 3) is not useful, and 4) is not useful.

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

And quoting that post shows just how useless Rach has been considering this:

ye gods

Sorry about that Mollie its more confusion than anything else. This game totally exploded faster than I thought it would. Going to look at some ISOs

FTR anyone who has ever played with me knows I get suspicious of fast wagons and quick lynches.

About time you got here Nacho

Wait Andy is playing too? where is he?

grumble grumble I will take some time to get a handle on this game

Could someone let me know who the heads of the hydrae are?

Other than B n B I know that one is Mollie and Jiffy.

The hydra question is so blatantly manufactured that it's honestly hard to believe. She's referred to all six of the heads in SOS/Trust Fund/BnB by name by the time she asks this question. No follow up on the TD wagon, no follow up on the ffery/mollie interactions.

Rach is scum, guys.

In the quoted post and also for example in 432, you can see that she is formulating reads. That's what GiF means as "useful".

[Sound of Silence]

GiF also has some threads for Andy meta he asked me to post.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30280

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28572

[Desperado]

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

QFT. This (and the rest of 1294) is a more concise version of the thoughts I posted back in 879 in my mastin response, which expands on a lot of the reasons I think the quotes mastin called town are actually scum quotes.

Don't see where the town reads are coming from.

Also, @Desperado, 1137 has some responses to you.

Yeah I'm losing confidence in Macscum. Mollie's familiarity with him is much higher and she's got him as town, and a couple other people (you included) that I trust are telling me to back off so I have. We really need to focus on Rach. I'm concerned that a couple prominent people are writing her off as lynch bait.

[Desperado]

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

QFT. This (and the rest of 1294) is a more concise version of the thoughts I posted back in 879 in my mastin response, which expands on a lot of the reasons I think the quotes mastin called town are actually scum quotes.

Don't see where the town reads are coming from.

Also, @Desperado, 1137 has some responses to you.

Yeah I'm losing confidence in Macscum. Mollie's familiarity with him is much higher and she's got him as town, and a couple other people (you included) that I trust are telling me to back off so I have. We really need to focus on Rach. I'm concerned that a couple prominent people are writing her off as lynch bait.

[Desperado]

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

QFT. This (and the rest of 1294) is a more concise version of the thoughts I posted back in 879 in my mastin response, which expands on a lot of the reasons I think the quotes mastin called town are actually scum quotes.

Don't see where the town reads are coming from.

Also, @Desperado, 1137 has some responses to you.

Yeah I'm losing confidence in Macscum. Mollie's familiarity with him is much higher and she's got him as town, and a couple other people (you included) that I trust are telling me to back off so I have. We really need to focus on Rach. I'm concerned that a couple prominent people are writing her off as lynch bait.

[Trust Fund]

Well shit, fery and mollie beat me to it. There you go, Desp.

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

[Desperado]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

Yeah I read those walls from Perpetual Mylo and I can see what you are seeing.

With that said, I also see a) way more detail in his reads and b) way more time spent antagonizing unconfirmed players.

What needs to happen to get you on board with Rach-scum? You were null-scum leaning on her earlier, what changed? I feel like she's gotten scummier as the game has progressed

[notscience]

Desp have you ever played with Rach before?

[Trust Fund]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

[Desperado]

I guess I'm just really not seeing it then. Breaking it down into 4 parts, 1) is not useful, 2) is potentially useful, but Rach never actually examined the wagon, 3) is not useful, and 4) is not useful.

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

And quoting that post shows just how useless Rach has been considering this:

ye gods

Sorry about that Mollie its more confusion than anything else. This game totally exploded faster than I thought it would. Going to look at some ISOs

FTR anyone who has ever played with me knows I get suspicious of fast wagons and quick lynches.

About time you got here Nacho

Wait Andy is playing too? where is he?

grumble grumble I will take some time to get a handle on this game

Could someone let me know who the heads of the hydrae are?

Other than B n B I know that one is Mollie and Jiffy.

The hydra question is so blatantly manufactured that it's honestly hard to believe. She's referred to all six of the heads in SOS/Trust Fund/BnB by name by the time she asks this question. No follow up on the TD wagon, no follow up on the ffery/mollie interactions.

Rach is scum, guys.

In the quoted post and also for example in 432, you can see that she is formulating reads. That's what GiF means as "useful".

Yeah but we're almost 1000 posts out from those two examples and we've still gotten nothing from her. I can't tell you a single thing that Rach actually believes.

[Desperado]

Desp have you ever played with Rach before?

Yeah we rolled scum together in Micro 168, and were in *ONGOING*

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

Dude. I already explained what I wanted to look for in Mastin's scum game. I'm not seeing it either.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=12314

Starting to doubt that scum-read on Mastin. -__-

[Trust Fund]

Dude. I already explained what I wanted to look for in Mastin's scum game. I'm not seeing it either.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=25151&user_select[]=12314

Starting to doubt that scum-read on Mastin. -__-

I did not understand what you meant by "moving on to mastin". I understood it to mean "voting mastin" which in conjunction with your previous statement made absolutely no sense.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

Yeah I read those walls from Perpetual Mylo and I can see what you are seeing.

With that said, I also see a) way more detail in his reads and b) way more time spent antagonizing unconfirmed players.

What needs to happen to get you on board with Rach-scum? You were null-scum leaning on her earlier, what changed? I feel like she's gotten scummier as the game has progressed

because I want to get the head before the ass (figure of speech rach, not calling you an ass). everyone leaped onto andy being so tooooooown that is who I want to take especially if I am strong scum reading him. rach falls into the same category as mastin as far as giving them a day.

[Malakittens]

No. Means I'm checking meta on him.

[Trust Fund]

Yeah I got that now Mala.

[Sound of Silence]

I guess I'm just really not seeing it then. Breaking it down into 4 parts, 1) is not useful, 2) is potentially useful, but Rach never actually examined the wagon, 3) is not useful, and 4) is not useful.

What did we actually learn about Rach's view of the game from this post? Nothing. "There are almost definitely scum on this bad wagon, we should look there!" is not content. "I'm not sold on both of you as town and you might be using your "hey we know each other" to blatantly buddy as scum" is not content, it's obfuscation.

And quoting that post shows just how useless Rach has been considering this:

ye gods

Sorry about that Mollie its more confusion than anything else. This game totally exploded faster than I thought it would. Going to look at some ISOs

FTR anyone who has ever played with me knows I get suspicious of fast wagons and quick lynches.

About time you got here Nacho

Wait Andy is playing too? where is he?

grumble grumble I will take some time to get a handle on this game

Could someone let me know who the heads of the hydrae are?

Other than B n B I know that one is Mollie and Jiffy.

The hydra question is so blatantly manufactured that it's honestly hard to believe. She's referred to all six of the heads in SOS/Trust Fund/BnB by name by the time she asks this question. No follow up on the TD wagon, no follow up on the ffery/mollie interactions.

Rach is scum, guys.

In the quoted post and also for example in 432, you can see that she is formulating reads. That's what GiF means as "useful".

Yeah but we're almost 1000 posts out from those two examples and we've still gotten nothing from her. I can't tell you a single thing that Rach actually believes.

about 1000 post in a really fast moving thread. Her rate of posting over time here is consistent with recent games I've played with her since her knee injury and stuff. I don't think that is alignment indicative.

[Malakittens]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

Yeah I read those walls from Perpetual Mylo and I can see what you are seeing.

With that said, I also see a) way more detail in his reads and b) way more time spent antagonizing unconfirmed players.

What needs to happen to get you on board with Rach-scum? You were null-scum leaning on her earlier, what changed? I feel like she's gotten scummier as the game has progressed

Okay from Perpetual LyLo to Xeno I. I see a difference in the first wall. Xeno I - less fluffy, less ragey. Second post similar reaction to the Sven claim to NS claim here. Perpetual LyLo - more fluffy, more ragey. Also the reads are more developed.

VOTE: Andy

In the process of moving back onto Mastin scum-game in Micro vs Mastin-town game in Micro. brb.

[Sound of Silence]

This is kinda weird because I'm not arguing that she's town. I'm arguing that she's pretty null atm and I need more time and more content to develop a decent read.

I'll be back in an hour or so and will look for questions addressed to me first thing.

[Malakittens]

I'm shit at either meta'ing Mastin in general or his play makes me feel it's the same. He self-meta's as both alignments. He's over confident as both alignments. He does gambits as town. He uses ':p' too much. He tries to confirm his alignment as both alignments with meta. He's unreadable to me.

[Desperado]

about 1000 post in a really fast moving thread. Her rate of posting over time here is consistent with recent games I've played with her since her knee injury and stuff. I don't think that is alignment indicative.

I wasn't saying that her rate of posting was alignment indicative. You are saying that she was formulating reads in 409 and 432, but 570 is the fluffiest post in her ISO and shows no follow up on the formulations she was making earlier. 896 is more of the same.

PEdit: I think that's kind of a cop out. Skull needs to provide more content. Rach has been engaged with the game continuously without providing any reads or following up on anything she thought was suspicious. Her ISO is a giant hot air balloon and she needs to go.