Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Hi mollie

hi honey I see scum is being mean to you again

[notscience]

Thez, what is your Rach read off of?

Her meta make her really null for this so I don't get your case

And yes Mollie, I'm suspecting at least 2 of the people begging to vig me are scums

Andy and who though

hmmm

Thanks though

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Go ahead and whine all you want, mollie. Just take from these quotes that MuffinMan called him a Vig target.

that's not me whining that is me saying EWWWWWWW....

Rach is a more solid scum read of mine. Andy's read is much more a meta read, and I don't like basing votes off of meta if I am not 100% confident I am right in that instance. I think Rach is more likely to flip scum than Andy, plain and simple.

this makes me so hot and bothered for an andy lynch it is not even funny

[Malakittens]

Hi Mollie I already grilled him 'bout that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

andy/nacho/thez and muffin

who else

I don't think it is nicky and I don't think it is bro

[Venmar]

We should be lynching Mastin

[RachMarie]

1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.

2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.

3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.

4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...

5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.

6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.

7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.

8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.

9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.

10. Nachomamma8 What on earth Nacho What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?

11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.

12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....

13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....

14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one

15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...

16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.

17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.

18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?

19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...

21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.


I know my reads suck there is obviously more scum out there than what I have, But at this point I have not yet been able to peg them yet. Part of this is due to the number of players I have here that I usually figure out they are scum after a few flips and them not being NKed at night (cough cough jiffy, nacho cough cough)...

I generally suck on D 1 and do better later in the game after I can put more of the pieces of the puzzle together.

I do trust Mollie and Jiffy though when they are town they are often right...

VOTE: Andy

[notscience]

Mollie

After Andy who next

[Venmar]

^ bad vote right now
^ also probably town

vote mastin

( rach i never wanted to lynch you in this game, just didn't think you were all that town until recently )

[pirate mollie]

Mollie

After Andy who next

thinking thez and nacho.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie

After Andy who next

thinking thez and nacho.

that was me.

[nickthename]

@1381
Wow, you managed to make an entire reads list without saying or committing to anything. Scummy, although I don't know the meta, maybe this is par for the course. I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though, but if she keeps sitting on the fence day 2 i'll most certainly want to lynch her then.

We should be lynching Mastin

This.

[nickthename]

andy/nacho/thez and muffin
who else
I don't think it is nicky and I don't think it is bro

Mollie
After Andy who next

thinking thez and nacho.

What are you talking about here? I don't follow.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

andy/nacho/thez and muffin
who else
I don't think it is nicky and I don't think it is bro

Mollie
After Andy who next

thinking thez and nacho.

What are you talking about here? I don't follow.

what is it you don't understand?

[nickthename]

You're saying a bunch of names, what are you saying about those names? Are those scumreads? Townreads?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You're saying a bunch of names, what are you saying about those names? Are those scumreads? Townreads?

okay I am pushing an andy lynch

hard

ns asks me who next

I give 2 names

wouldn't it follow that those 2 are my scum reads?

[notscience]

What about Thez is pinging your scumdar? How he shifted from "vigpls" to "he isn't THAT bad" towards me?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

What about Thez is pinging your scumdar? How he shifted from "vigpls" to "he isn't THAT bad" towards me?

I honestly don't remember that switch if so, thez gets triple points.

the timing. and his reluctance to vote andy but he was gung ho about sheeping us onto a nicky lynch.

[BROseidon]

@mod V/LA through Monday evening. I'm going out of town for the weekend

Will try to catch up tonight before I pack, but I make no promises.

[nickthename]

@B&B 1390 and 1392
Ah, I see. That was my first thought, but I was under the impression you thought thez was town, so I wanted to ask.

[TiphaineDeath]

YOU CAN'T ALL BE SCUM!

VOTE: rach

Tunneling huh, quote me tunneling. I've been on at least 3 different people today, four now. Rache's big post is horrid, I do not like it sam I am.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26390 Scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=29182 Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28499 Scum

[thezmon221]

11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.

Do you... know what tunneling is? And what hostility is? I am expressing the fact that I think you're scum, I don't think I've actually been hostile to you. I also haven't even remotely tunneled you. The fact that my read hasn't changed isn't me tunneling. That's you not posting.

What about Thez is pinging your scumdar? How he shifted from "vigpls" to "he isn't THAT bad" towards me?

I honestly don't remember that switch if so, thez gets triple points.

the timing. and his reluctance to vote andy but he was gung ho about sheeping us onto a nicky lynch.

Mollie, I made that switch a while ago. Post 712 is when I had a change of heart and didn’t want him vigged (though did not announce it). Post 939 is when I publicly displayed that I am alright with him being alive.

Furthermore, you are misrepping me hard. I changed my vote to nick because you guys did too, but that was after a realization that a FTL wagon was stalling, and FTL was starting, a bit, to show that he might be town to (FTR, I think he’s probs town). I did not, in any way, sheep your read, only the vote because it was a smoother transition. I had my own read on him, and felt he was scum all throughout the process. I put my vote on him due to the stall, and that is why I have changed it again. Notice this:

Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.

I changed my vote for exactly as I publicly stated in this quote – because the nick wagon was progressing.

[Desperado]

^ bad vote right now
^ also probably town

vote mastin

( rach i never wanted to lynch you in this game, just didn't think you were all that town until recently )

Are you high? What could Rach have possibly done "recently" to make her "never lynching you" level town?

@ Rach: Conf-bias? Can you be a little more specific?

And your reads post is just awful. Not only do you STILL not have any legitimate reads, your first legitimate vote is blatantly passing the buck off on mollie and Jiffy. You don't even think Andy is scum, but because mollie/Jiffy are often right when they are town, you are going to sheep them?

[Sound of Silence]

You're expecting too much from Rach

By the by, fery told me that syry wanted to talk with me.

[Desperado]

You're expecting too much from Rach

By the by, fery told me that syry wanted to talk with me.

Legitimate FOSes that aren't accompanied by self-evident questions that she wouldn't have to ask if she were actually reading the thread is too much to ask?

She asked Andy to provide some scum games when his scum meta has already been posted in depth. The read is fake and she's positioning herself to blame mollie/jiffy if Andy flips town, and the rest of her reads list is even worse...