Newbie 1419 - GAME OVER

[Brian Skies]

This is my first game playing mafia through the forum. The only experience I have is two games with friends.

It's been a few days and a few people still haven't posted. =(

[Brian Skies]

I now understand that I will try to avoid WIFOM like the plague.

I agree. After playing epicmafia for a few days, WIFOM gets you suspected by more experienced players even if you really are town. Trying to outsmart your fellow players can lead to your own undoing.

[JKMatthews]

Not ever, I think. It felt like a good thing to get the game going, and look it did.

I really dislike this line of reasoning. In general, town being scummy is bad for town. So if you're town, all you've done is helped scum get out of RVS by voting for you like any good townie probably should...
But yeah
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus
because this is more likely.

[notscience]

Elaborate JKM?

[JKMatthews]

Rereading makes it seem more likely to me that Titus is buddying than m-m actually being scum...

[notscience]

VOTE: Titus

[JKMatthews]

Elaborate notscience?

[notscience]

I liked your point

What isn't to understand

[Titus]

Generally, it is better if we ate all straight up. Sometimes gambits and withholding information are essential.

@notscience, please put jkm's thought into your own words. I am beginning to get suspicious that your vote was opportunistic and you wanted someone to make your case.

[notscience]

I you're getting a little bit worried that I'm being opportunistic why not vote me?

Look at the last page- "An experienced player like you wouldn't do something like that"

Pretty blatant ass-kissing

[Verbs]

Generally, it is better if we ate all straight up. Sometimes gambits and withholding information are essential.

@notscience, please put jkm's thought into your own words. I am beginning to get suspicious that your vote was opportunistic and you wanted someone to make your case.

why do you think withholding information is essential?

also could you remind me why you think mail's self vote was pro town? youve mentioned that scum wouldn't have pulled that move whereas i can't think why a townie would either.

[mail-mi]

Generally, it is better if we ate all straight up. Sometimes gambits and withholding information are essential.

@notscience, please put jkm's thought into your own words. I am beginning to get suspicious that your vote was opportunistic and you wanted someone to make your case.

why do you think withholding information is essential?

also could you remind me why you think mail's self vote was pro town? youve mentioned that scum wouldn't have pulled that move whereas i can't think why a townie would either.

Would scum want to get the game moving, or keep it in (almost useless) RVS?

[SXTLHGaiden]

You know, this argument is as follows "Would scum really try to move RVS? Clearly no. Thus anyone who promotes RVS must be town." I really hate circular logic.

[mail-mi]

You know, this argument is as follows "Would scum really try to move RVS? Clearly no. Thus anyone who promotes RVS must be town." I really hate circular logic.

What I'm saying is scum would usually just go with the flow and end with RVS when it ends, but not actively enforce it or stop it.

[JKMatthews]

Such tasty WIFOM, seriously...

[Brian Skies]

VOTE : Medoner

If I'm going to invest who knows how much time into this game, I'd rather play it with people who actually care. So I'm gonna keep my vote on an inactive player until I am given sufficient reason otherwise.

[Verbs]

You know, this argument is as follows "Would scum really try to move RVS? Clearly no. Thus anyone who promotes RVS must be town." I really hate circular logic.

What I'm saying is scum would usually just go with the flow and end with RVS when it ends, but not actively enforce it or stop it.

your first post became our only point of contention, sure. however, we have effectively pressured no other player.

"im going to get the game rolling by taking the direct pressure off of everyone else in the hopes that ..." <- fill in the blank for me?

[notscience]

Brian, in this queue it isn't unheard of for people to flake after /inning

That vote's kinda useless, nothing anyone has said so far has rubbed you the wrong way?

[SXTLHGaiden]

@ brian: any reason you picked Medoner rather than nachomamma?

[Brian Skies]

@ brian: any reason you picked Medoner rather than nachomamma?

Nachomamma has an "IC" next to their name. So I'm assuming Nacho is a special type of player and I expect this person to actually show up. As for Medoner, I'm just using him to hold my vote. I can always change my vote. But as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather vote for someone who I think isn't benefiting us than potentially lynching an asset that we can use.

In terms of my current suspicions, you guys are talking in circles, so it's hard for a player like me to single anyone out.

M-M's supposed gambit aside, I do have a small fos on titus. His actions seem too kind and pro-town to me, and too much WIFOM for my taste. While I appreciate him helping the newer players, in a game like Mafia where deceit and distrust is not uncommon, I find it a little off-putting.

[SXTLHGaiden]

"too town to be town" is never an argument.

[SXTLHGaiden]

on that note neither is "too scummy to be scum"

[notscience]

lettersGaiden, you'd be surprised.

Nacho is the IC, yes.

But if you've glanced through the newbie queue you'll see that a fair amount of people usually flake from the site, especially given the fact that he hasn't even posted, it's a worseless vote until he is replaced.

[Titus]

@notscience, I am going to ask you again. Put jkm's argument you sheeped into your own words. If you cannot, I will vote you.

@Brian, too town is usually regarded as a crap argument.

[notscience]

You reading what I posted?

P sure I already said it

But you're going to vote me anyways scum, so bring it on.